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Vladel
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 Posted - 2013/04/09 : 16:31:40
Exciting when i get to do two of these in two days although i honestly expected the CD yesterday. I've been looking forward to this one although i've never been a big Marc smith fan but i'm quietly optimistic.
Disk 1:
Overdrive is a bit freeformy i reckon and not a bad opener at all.
Love me when i'm gone is nothing special
Drumbeatz a bit dull and generic for me
Power of will was on hardcore underground 4
Chance to dance Is a bit better and sounds a little Robbie long
Machine gun Makes me wish i had one! terrible really.
F*** it what have been what he was thinking when he wrote this one
Crank Middle of the road gammer
Throw ya hands up is about the best of the bunch so far
Can you feel the pace Don't know what is going on here
Above the rest is quite forgettable
Complicated is the least dull so far but i think if you're going to go hard then go hard! Go full on Gabba or don't bother.
Hardcore never dies that track makes me feel like it. The sample is just horrid.
Disk 2 really isn't worth going through on it's own
Disk 3 the tracks that aren't on disk 1
You know how to love me a nice collab with Mr Riot with one of his nice bouncy basslines that could have been so much more.
Slight has a big sampled vocal that you really need to do well to do it justice and he's done quite well here and it may be a grower.
Rock Star nothing special here
Extra life doesn't do much for me either
Cut the midrange does a bit better but isn't one for the playlist
Boom and pow 2013 isn't a bad update and i quite like it's stompyness
When i'm gone (gabba remix) Not hard enough and the vocals are way out of place.
Didn't really expect to be at this end of the scale with this one and overall i'm disappointed and i expected some of it to be either bouncier or harder. The tricky thing for me is when tracks seem to land in the middle of the range. Vocal hardcore should be fast, happy and/or euphoric. Dark Hardcore should be dark and with an edge to it and harder stuff should be hard! A lot of it for me just sits there in the middle without really straing to wide in any direction and it's not all bad. I do like a bit of it but in each case i just wish it was more.
I can't see much of it making its way onto any of my playlists and the album is liable to be forgotten. A lot of people will really like this because everyone's tastes are different but i wasn't really a huge fan of Marc Smith to begin with and i'm still not. 4/10
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Posted - 2013/04/09 : 17:15:46
So, for people who wants more freeformy, bouncy or edgie stuff, this is a no no?
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Elliott
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Posted - 2013/04/09 : 21:17:19
Slight was big imo
Anyway, I wish I could just buy Crank separately. Haven't heard some of the other new tracks but, from what I have heard, I'm guessing I probably wouldn't care for it. :(
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Posted - 2013/04/10 : 09:53:56
Listening to album right now and I will go with an more critical review later.
I do know everyone have an own style to judge about an album but whats the deal with statements like "it's nothing special"? Be more specific please.
And why skipping CD2? There are tons of good ones and you go on with "really isn't worth going through on it's own".... why typing an review then? Pretty senseless if you ask me. I will use your own words for this: "Go full on [...] or don't bother"!
Anyway, I will update this post frequently:
Mastering: 8/10
Some volume levels seem to be untouched, audacity displayed me these numbers while ripping album:
Drumbeatz: -2,7dB
Crank: -2dB
Complicated: -0,5dB
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CD1
Overdrive
Love me when i'm gone
Drumbeatz: At 0:20, it sounds like the beat is galloping. It sounds unusual / unwanted and it bothers me a bit. Just personal taste.
Power of will
Chance to dance
Machine gun
F*** it
Crank
Throw ya hands u
Can you feel the pace
Above the rest
Complicated
Hardcore never dies
CD2
Techno Dup (94 Remix)
The Mad One
Pump up the Noize
Move into the Rhythm (Remix)
Oh no! - Great piano and the tune is meant to be simple, even though i prefer more komplex tunes. Classic stomper overall, just wondering why it's called "Oh No!". There is a little crack at the end of the tune.
Boom & Pow
Procrastinator
Identify the Beat
Give yourself to me
Grafity
Building Shaker
Stomp
CD3:
Mixing Skills:
Trackselection:
Track quality:
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Posted - 2013/04/10 : 10:43:56
What does the volume has to do with mastering? If anything, I prefer it far away from 0dB as possible.
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Posted - 2013/04/10 : 11:01:42
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What does the volume has to do with mastering? If anything, I prefer it far away from 0dB as possible.
Checking volume levels is last part of mastering imo.
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Posted - 2013/04/10 : 11:23:49
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What does the volume has to do with mastering? If anything,
Everything but in this context it is meaningless.
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I prefer it far away from 0dB as possible.
In which direction? Lol.
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Posted - 2013/04/10 : 11:28:12
I heard Jacek likes it boths ways :D
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Posted - 2013/04/10 : 11:34:40
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I heard Jacek likes it boths ways :D
double entendres... how evil! 
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Vladel
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Posted - 2013/04/10 : 15:34:52
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Originally posted by DJ Hellfury:
Listening to album right now and I will go with an more critical review later.
I do know everyone have an own style to judge about an album but whats the deal with statements like "it's nothing special"? Be more specific please.
And why skipping CD2? There are tons of good ones and you go on with "really isn't worth going through on it's own".... why typing an review then? Pretty senseless if you ask me. I will use your own words for this: "Go full on [...] or don't bother"!
Ok i wasn't expecting to have to defend myself for giving an opinion but here goes....
It's nothing special Is pretty self explanatory really. I could have written other things obviously but when you come across tracks that are neither good or bad and don't really have anything that either offends or pleases are worthy of it's nothing special. They can be dull or so interesting that they are not worthy of writing something for the sake of it. I Really thought it's nothing special would have made sense but never mind. For the select tracks that have gotten such treatment (Which applies to most of the album) i think please could you be better and i might have a reason to elaborate.
CD 2. Yes very interesting but sadly not. 12 tracks does not constitute tons in my book and they are not worthy of going through on their own because they are as labelled Classics which means one of two things to me being firstly: All time great tunes from times past made by or played by the artist in question that brings back nostalgia and memories. Or secondly previously unreleased tracks from times gone by that one might forward to in the interests of completing a collection or just being that track that you never managed to get hold of before now (Kevin Energy's My Rave and the last release of NU energy were exceptionally good examples of this). I found CD 2 to be not worthy of it's own section because the tracks were indeed from the past and also boring and not of note in my opinion. It's the same as most classics disks that come out? Would anyone really review a compilation that has the original shooting star? Would it have even made sense to review Elysium on Clubland false advertising 9? (or Extreme hardcore as it is labelled)
Which brings us where you say to write a review is senseless if i ask you and believe you me, i wasn't considering a verbal spanking from the great Hellfury when i decided to write my opinion about something i had bought on A FORUM? what was i thinking? Or of course i could have mentioned the varying volume levels on the cds which of course is THE MOST PRESSING MATTER when you buy a CD. What was the point in writing that out Followed by your Volume levels are the last part of mastering? Who gives a crap?
You could have agreed or disagreed or put your own opinions out there about the album itself but instead you decided to lead with an attack. Where was the sense in that?
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Posted - 2013/04/10 : 16:06:08
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Originally posted by Vladel:
Ok i wasn't expecting to have to defend myself for giving an opinion but here goes....
I thought you knew this forums by now :P Any kind of discussion that seems serious (with cussing or telling people off) while still being negative will still draw a crowd :P
While good/prefered albums/compilations get barely the same attention.
I am actually putting that same conclusion that everyone likes my mixes as they dont talk about it :D (j/k ;((... )
Hard2get: I am quilty of trying to master my vinyl rips, but when recording it, I prefer it to be lower than 0dB by atleast -2 or -3.
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Posted - 2013/04/10 : 16:51:55
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Originally posted by Vladel:
Ok i wasn't expecting to have to defend myself for giving an opinion but here goes....
It's nothing special Is pretty self explanatory really.
When professional reviewers judge about albums or tunes they don't end their opinions with short phrases. It's boring and vacuous. It's similar to "I don't like it". Describe it better, just saying, or producers will end like Breeze, just skipping other opinions and get deaf when it comes to feedback from the community...
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Originally posted by Vladel:
For the select tracks that have gotten such treatment (Which applies to most of the album) i think please could you be better and i might have a reason to elaborate.
Marc Smith and HU posted many clips before. It was pretty clear that this album is a load of bouncy and more simple stuff. Still, you managed to buy the album and you are surprised that it's not to your liking.
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Originally posted by Vladel:
I found CD 2 to be not worthy of it's own section because the tracks were indeed from the past and also boring and not of note in my opinion. It's the same as most classics disks that come out? Would anyone really review a compilation that has the original shooting star? Would it have even made sense to review Elysium on Clubland false advertising 9? (or Extreme hardcore as it is labelled)
The problem on here is... all tracks on CD2 are remastered and they havent been overused like shooting star so I have to disagree with this exaggerated comparison. This CD is for those who didnt have the vinyls already (like me) or / and like the classics in better quality - personally I totally appreciate it.
If I don't like a whole CD out of three, it's almost an KO criteria for me and I wouldnt buy the album.
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Originally posted by Vladel:
Which brings us where you say to write a review is senseless if i ask you and believe you me, i wasn't considering a verbal spanking from the great Hellfury when i decided to write my opinion about something i had bought on A FORUM? what was i thinking?
[...]
You could have agreed or disagreed or put your own opinions out there about the album itself but instead you decided to lead with an attack. Where was the sense in that?
Why do people overreact when I point out that reviewing stuff with one-line-phrases is uninformative? Sorry if I placed my opinion on here and judge about others; criticizing is essential in forums (or it would be rather boring if everyone agrees in every matter), don't overreact and take critisism not personal, geez.
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Or of course i could have mentioned the varying volume levels on the cds which of course is THE MOST PRESSING MATTER when you buy a CD. What was the point in writing that out Followed by your Volume levels are the last part of mastering? Who gives a crap?
1) DJs do
2) Marc Smith did, when I told him about it
edit: Not saying I'm disappointed about volume levels from 3 tunes, but it takes time to fix it in audacity :/
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Posted - 2013/04/10 : 17:16:18
After this thread popped up I actually tried looking for samples for the WHOLE album. I couldn't find it.
Hellfury: Get foobar2k, and use auto-gain :P
Also when mixing, that would sort itself out. so from a DJ's perspective, why bother?
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Posted - 2013/04/10 : 17:23:32
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After this thread popped up I actually tried looking for samples for the WHOLE album. I couldn't find it.
You know the meaning behind samples from single tunes? They respresent the whole album and as far as I can tell, all clips made a pretty good overview.
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Hellfury: Get foobar2k, and use auto-gain :P
Also when mixing, that would sort itself out. so from a DJ's perspective, why bother?
Well, thanks for info but I did bothered and made a statement about quality. It's not a big deal but I find it necessary to make notes about all flaws I can find, at least when I'm about to make a review. I try to be as precise as possible (as non-producer).
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Posted - 2013/04/10 : 17:51:33
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Originally posted by DJ Hellfury:
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Originally posted by Samination:
After this thread popped up I actually tried looking for samples for the WHOLE album. I couldn't find it.
You know the meaning behind samples from single tunes? They respresent the whole album and as far as I can tell, all clips made a pretty good overview.
No it doesn't. If this album is only going to be released on CD (and not digitally), and it so happens to have a track I want to buy (which I might miss if I don't hear a sample of it), I rather spend the money on the CD (which is a resonable priced one) for 1-2 tracks.
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Originally posted by Samination:
Hellfury: Get foobar2k, and use auto-gain :P
Also when mixing, that would sort itself out. so from a DJ's perspective, why bother?
Well, thanks for info but I did bothered and made a statement about quality. It's not a big deal but I find it necessary to make notes about all flaws I can find, at least when I'm about to make a review. I try to be as precise as possible (as non-producer).
Quality? Foobar2k doesnt modify the sound like audacity does. So unless you ripped the CD to wave first and then to whatver format you choose, you're loosing quality by just editing the audio file.
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Posted - 2013/04/10 : 18:01:12
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No it doesn't. If this album is only going to be released on CD (and not digitally), and it so happens to have a track I want to buy (which I might miss if I don't hear a sample of it), I rather spend the money on the CD (which is a resonable priced one) for 1-2 tracks.
I get your point but I was actually referring to Vladels review and at least I have the feeling that he is suddenly surprised that most tunes are too simple (thats why he used words like "generic" / "terrible" / "forgettable") for his liking.
Sure, we both are actually picky when it comes to tunes but - at least in my case - I knew that most tunes on there match my tastes; specially CD2!
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Quality? Foobar2k doesnt modify the sound like audacity does. So unless you ripped the CD to wave first and then to whatver format you choose, you're loosing quality by just editing the audio file.
I didnt linked Foobar2k with the quality of those three tunes on the album, just saying.
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