Hard2Get Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2013/05/21 : 13:47:40
quote:Originally posted by Kebab Head:
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Gabber is what English people call Dutch (and other countries) Hardcore and is not a proper name. 'Gabber' and Hardcore are the same thing. So pretty much what others have said.
gabber actually means friend
I wasn't describing the literal meaning of the word lol.
Hard2Get Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2013/05/21 : 13:49:51
Gabber isn't a subgenre. It's what British people use to loosely refer to Hardcore in the rest of Europe (that isn't UK Hardcore).
Kebab Head Advanced Member
Wallis And Futuna Islands
645 posts Joined: Jan, 2012
Posted - 2013/05/21 : 14:57:44
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Gabber isn't a subgenre. It's what British people use to loosely refer to Hardcore in the rest of Europe (that isn't UK Hardcore).
well it is as its hardcore techno which is a sub in itself
latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2013/05/21 : 16:05:28
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Gabber isn't a subgenre. It's what British people use to loosely refer to Hardcore in the rest of Europe (that isn't UK Hardcore).
It's not known in the US as gabber either, just as hardcore. The only people who call it gabber are those who religiously follow UK hardcore
Posted - 2013/05/21 : 17:04:54
Ok, so what do the dutch people call it then? If only British people uses the term gabber?
Hardcore techno if it is pre-2000? And what about when it's after year 2000? Mainstream Hardcore?
It is really confusing, when some of you says gabber is a subgenre below "Hardcore" and other says that it isn't? So who is right?
I'm not British, so should I use the term gabber at all then? I probably have a lot of UK hardcore music in my library, so I will have some to do with it.
The thing is, I have alot of music, but it is all called "hardcore". All my trance music for instance I've categorized like vocaltrance, progressive trance, acid trance and so on.., and I would like to do so with all my hardcore music. I want the exact genre listed on each track!
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,241 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2013/05/21 : 17:26:44
I usually categorize my tracks based on what label it's released on. If it's a gabber/rotterdam hardcore release, but it's released on a Happy Hardcore label, I would still put it in that folder (but tag the audio files with Gabber)
Personally, this is how I tag my stuff, no matter what:
Happy Hardcore (Brittish or Dutch stuff pre-2000) UK Hardcore (for Brittish Hardcore dating around 2001 to today) Freeform (The more hardtrance or Finnish psytrance influenced Brittish Hardcore) Makina (Spanish and some of the Japanese stuff) Japanese Hardcore (because J-core is a gay term that I might sometime use on chats, but not on tags. also because Japanese stuff usually doesn't sound like the other) Gabber (basicly anything that's harder than any of the above, which is very generalizing. If it's fast I might write Speedcore or Frenchcore instead)
(Breakbeat might appear)
For the tracks I can't categorize, or if an album contains too many styles, I just tag them Hardcore
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Alert moderatorEdited by - Samination on 2013/05/21 17:30:36
Posted - 2013/05/21 : 19:44:31
Ok. I kinda wanna be more specific in my tags I guess, but I can see that it's not gonna be easy, since I have such difficulties telling them apart.
I would at least like to seperate the UK stuff and the Dutch/German/Belgium stuff from each other and not just list them all under Happy Hardcore.
Can you give me a typical example of some UK hardcore and some UK Happy Hardcore?
Maybe both oldskool en nuskool. Some track-names. I would like to hear the differences between this and Gabber.
Mental_Adam Advanced Member
United Kingdom
845 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2013/05/22 : 00:27:34
Gabber was pretty much a mid 1990s to late 1990s thing,
Gabber i think from my memory is a dance as well as regarded as a music genre for a certain type of hardcore (mainly from Netherlands)
I think anything after 2000 is just regarded as Hardcore if you're talking of groups/artists after this period like Paul Elstak, Neophyte, Evil Activities, Angerfist, Tommyknocker etc..
You'll usually see it still used as a genre to describe alot of hardcore, but the original gabber is from the dates in the first line of the sentence.
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,241 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2013/05/22 : 13:52:28
You can find the tracklist for some albums on discogs, if you search for these albums:
English Happy Hardcore:
Happy2bHardcore ( chapter 1 to 6 ), Bonkers ( 1 to 6 or 7 )
English (UK) Hardcore:
Bonkers ( 8 to 17 ), Hardcore Underground ( all of them ), Clubland Xtreme Hardcore ( all of them, unless you are a purist, don't listen to 8 or 9 ).
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Posted - 2013/05/22 : 23:04:45
Thank you. I'll get the tracklist from Discogs and listen to some of it.
Mental_adam you say that you think gabber was a thing from mid 90's to late 90's.
So what would you categorize music from Neophyte in the early 90's then? It could be "Protracker" or "The Three Amigo's" for instance from 1993? Some of their first I guess. Just hardcore or Early hardcore or?
Btw, don't think gabber was a dance. The dance you're thinking of is probably "hakken".
Mental_Adam Advanced Member
United Kingdom
845 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2013/05/23 : 00:23:30
quote:Originally posted by Webweaver:
Thank you. I'll get the tracklist from Discogs and listen to some of it.
Mental_adam you say that you think gabber was a thing from mid 90's to late 90's.
So what would you categorize music from Neophyte in the early 90's then? It could be "Protracker" or "The Three Amigo's" for instance from 1993? Some of their first I guess. Just hardcore or Early hardcore or?
Btw, don't think gabber was a dance. The dance you're thinking of is probably "hakken".
I was aware of alot of this stuff from 2005-2008.... so it's been a few years.
I'm probably thinking of hakken, I think maybe the early 1990s could be classed as early hardcore
Posted - 2013/05/23 : 20:33:31
Just listened to some of the tracks from Bonkers. The UK styles are noticeable different. UK happy hardcore seems to have a more "dance vocal" And the bass are in general more "flat" and not so distorted as in gabber/nu style gabber I think.
When did UK hardcore and UK happy hardcore make it's appearence in Britain and Europe?
Have an idea that it's newer than the dutch stuff's appearance?
I still think it's hard to categorize the dutch stuff. Gabber or not and so on ...
But think I have an idea and from now on I will look at the labels too. See if it's a Rotterdam/dutch label.
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