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Kebab Head
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 Posted - 2013/05/27 : 22:25:05
there's no BIG secret how much of a styles fan I am, think the guy is a total musical genius
been smashing this album out again lately... and it just goes to show how much talent he really has...
he just doesn't get enough recognition in the commercial charts for me
people like David Guetta who is also a musical genius chart quite highly and guetta won world number one DJ off the back of his high profile colabs...
imagine if Darren Styles too the root of collaborating with some high profile chart artists (but sticking with hardcore)he'd be absolutely massive in the top 40 world
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2013/05/27 : 23:04:53
No one who listens to top 40 chart stuff wants to listen to hardcore, even the softer style we have now. A lot of the guys at my work listen to pure shite, it's all the chart crap you hear on the radio as well as dubstep/brostep and electro, and if I play some hardcore at work (I'm talking the electro influenced stuff and dubcore) they simply don't want to know - it can be a purely electro track at 170 with the softer kicks, sidechained bass and autotuned vocals but they just won't have it. Hardcore simply isn't that type of music.
And all the better for it. Imagine if every top 40 track had a hardcore mix (an official one, I mean). They would probably be either incredibly weak and lame, or those embarrassing poppy radio edits you used to get. Would make our scene look even more ridiculous from the outside.
The one here and there on an appropriate single is all good though.
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Mental_Adam
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Posted - 2013/05/27 : 23:44:55
Darren Styles had written several songs worthy enough for Top. 40 success in his early years... and quite possibly could've had a few top. 40 hits back in the 1990s if happy hardcore was popular enough.
"Paradise and Dreams", "Heart of Gold", "Wonderland", "Pacific Sun", "Pretty Green Eyes"...
It wasn't until the early 2000s that one or two of these songs became massive Top. 10 hits in the UK for acouple of groups (Ultrabeat and Flip & Fill).
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Posted - 2013/05/28 : 01:12:41
talking about Top 40 charts, what about tunes like 'Hocus Pocus' "Here's Johnny!!!" which came in at no#1 year 1995. ?? why was that popular back then?
http://www.discogs.com/Hocus-Pocus-Heres-Johnny/release/418514
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2013/05/28 : 01:41:03
His stuff as Ultrabeat was the closest he'll ever be to permanent top 40 status. Like it's been mentioned before, uk/happy hard/dub/electrocore is just too fast for mainstream, no matter how much you water it down.
But who knows he may have a shot, because he'll be at EDC Las Vegas this year, and that event is 300,000+ people. There's no telling what stage he'll play at though. As great as a producer as he is, I'm not too big of a rush to see him play. He plays a lot in the US (California and Phoenix, Arizona mostly) and has played a couple of times in Toronto. Would be great to hear him play MC-less though.
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The drunken scotsman
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Posted - 2013/05/28 : 07:30:37
I'm also a massive darren styles fan, production wise he is head and shoulders above anyone else in hardcore imo. If he was producing house music or something else more popular than hardcore he would probably be as famous as the likes of David guetta. He used to make some commercial chart tunes which were basically just slowed down versions of his hardcore tracks but nobodies really into that anymore.
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Kebab Head
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Posted - 2013/05/28 : 08:48:25
problem is with top 40 stuff its rammed down peoples throats. all the music channels play the same stuff as do all the radio stations then when u go out clubbing its the same stuff again.
hardcore would be mire population if it was rammed it was more in your face
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The drunken scotsman
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Posted - 2013/05/28 : 09:55:30
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
His stuff as Ultrabeat was the closest he'll ever be to permanent top 40 status.
Darren Styles was never part of Ultrabeat, he done some collabs with them but that's it. Re-Con, Chris Henry and some other guy were Ultrabeat.
Now that I've mentioned him Re-Con is also a great artist who has gone on to bigger and better things now. Bit gutted cos you never see him at raves anymore, still making the odd hardcore tune though so fair play to him
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Kebab Head
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Posted - 2013/05/28 : 10:37:26
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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
His stuff as Ultrabeat was the closest he'll ever be to permanent top 40 status.
Darren Styles was never part of Ultrabeat, he done some collabs with them but that's it. Re-Con, Chris Henry and some other guy were Ultrabeat.
Now that I've mentioned him Re-Con is also a great artist who has gone on to bigger and better things now. Bit gutted cos you never see him at raves anymore, still making the odd hardcore tune though so fair play to him
Ian redman is the other guy
if it wasnt for darrens happy hardcore stuff which ultrabeat covered they wouldn't have been as popular as they had been
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Posted - 2013/05/28 : 16:09:04
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Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
No one who listens to top 40 chart stuff wants to listen to hardcore, even the softer style we have now. A lot of the guys at my work listen to pure shite, it's all the chart crap you hear on the radio as well as dubstep/brostep and electro, and if I play some hardcore at work (I'm talking the electro influenced stuff and dubcore) they simply don't want to know - it can be a purely electro track at 170 with the softer kicks, sidechained bass and autotuned vocals but they just won't have it. Hardcore simply isn't that type of music.
And all the better for it. Imagine if every top 40 track had a hardcore mix (an official one, I mean). They would probably be either incredibly weak and lame, or those embarrassing poppy radio edits you used to get. Would make our scene look even more ridiculous from the outside.
The one here and there on an appropriate single is all good though.
I slightly disagree with some of the points you make. People who listen to chart and commercial music like what is put in front of them. If David Guetta, Will. I. Am or someone as such made a hardcore track (not that they ever would), people would go crazy for it.
THe pop music scene is the most fickle thing going.
I think that Darren Styles could without doubt have had a more lucrative career if he produced more popular genres; he is an immensly talented producer and song writer.
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Posted - 2013/05/28 : 20:14:29
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
His stuff as Ultrabeat was the closest he'll ever be to permanent top 40 status. Like it's been mentioned before, uk/happy hard/dub/electrocore is just too fast for mainstream, no matter how much you water it down.
But who knows he may have a shot, because he'll be at EDC Las Vegas this year, and that event is 300,000+ people. There's no telling what stage he'll play at though. As great as a producer as he is, I'm not too big of a rush to see him play. He plays a lot in the US (California and Phoenix, Arizona mostly) and has played a couple of times in Toronto. Would be great to hear him play MC-less though.
In the 90's rave genres regulary reached top positions over here in Europe. Happy Hardcore, Dance, Trance, Gabba... you name it! Rave music can be commercially succesfull! The only problem is the "Minimal Generation" of these days who are currently in the majority and think music is simply some kind of bulls**t to play in the background of your head. In the 80's purely sex-selling idiots like Lady Gaga or Rihanna would have ended working as a prostitute, but today people applaude when the burp and even are willing to pay huge amounts of money to listen to it. No wonder why Dubstep is so popular these days. No normal person would pay money for listening to their own farts.
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Posted - 2013/05/28 : 20:29:53
there is some good dubstep out there, you just have to find the right artists.
almost had the same opinion like you about dubstep, warnman, but it was hardstyle for me, then Nightforce came up with his melodic, dark style and I bought some hardstyle tunes recently, just saying. You cant declare an whole genre as 'shit'. ^^'
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Posted - 2013/05/28 : 21:02:39
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there is some good dubstep out there, you just have to find the right artists.
NO WAIT! This one's much better!
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Posted - 2013/05/28 : 21:12:16
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Originally posted by DJ Hellfury:
there is some good dubstep out there, you just have to find the right artists.
almost had the same opinion like you about dubstep, warnman, but it was hardstyle for me, then Nightforce came up with his melodic, dark style and I bought some hardstyle tunes recently, just saying. You cant declare an whole genre as 'shit'. ^^'
Only Lindsey Stirling was able to show me pleasurable Dubstep and I even doubt that this is original Dubstep how it was originally used to be. And if 99% of a genre simply sounds like recording your own flatulences: I call it shit! I have deeply hated Hip-Hop all my life, but Dubstep was the only genre being able to musically underbid it.
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Posted - 2013/05/28 : 21:13:58
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http://memecrunch.com/meme/3YNH/dubstep-meme/image.png
NO WAIT! This one's much better
http://ct.fra.bz/il/fz/se/i54/2/3/20/f_587924533c.jpg
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Posted - 2013/06/18 : 11:24:55
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
His stuff as Ultrabeat was the closest he'll ever be to permanent top 40 status.
As Jamie says, he wasn't part of Ultrabeat.
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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Re-Con is also a great artist who has gone on to bigger and better things now. Bit gutted cos you never see him at raves anymore, still making the odd hardcore tune though so fair play to him
Agreed.
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Originally posted by Warnman:
No normal person would pay money for listening to their own farts.
LOL. Amazing.
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