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Elliott
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 Posted - 2013/06/11 : 17:02:35
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Originally posted by Elliott:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Why are people dropping the word "darkie" so casually in this thread?
I don't know about the rest of you but down my way people don't tend to use that word without at least slight racist undertones.
No one is. In fact everyone is making a point of how racist it is.
First and third posts, dude. I didn't get much further than that before I had to reply.
The first doesn't count. The 3rd dude was only quoting the first post.
I'll trust you on the latter point because I don't know the guy at all but the former is ridiculous! The OP is necessarily, by definition, a "person in this thread".
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whispering
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Posted - 2013/06/11 : 17:31:32
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2013/06/11 : 18:33:13
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Originally posted by Elliott:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by Elliott:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by Elliott:
Why are people dropping the word "darkie" so casually in this thread?
I don't know about the rest of you but down my way people don't tend to use that word without at least slight racist undertones.
No one is. In fact everyone is making a point of how racist it is.
First and third posts, dude. I didn't get much further than that before I had to reply.
The first doesn't count. The 3rd dude was only quoting the first post.
I'll trust you on the latter point because I don't know the guy at all but the former is ridiculous! The OP is necessarily, by definition, a "person in this thread".
Yeah but we were already talking about what he said! That's why it doesn't count. It doesn't matter anyway. We are in agreement.
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fakka13k
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Posted - 2013/06/11 : 22:04:37
Hmmm doesn't seem like you are in agreement tbh, only one way to settle this, take your trousers and underpants off and fight!
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djDMS
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Posted - 2013/06/11 : 22:31:23
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Hmmm doesn't seem like you are in agreement tbh, only one way to settle this, take your trousers and underpants off and fight!
Well, at least he isn't homophobic too.
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Samination
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Posted - 2013/06/11 : 23:04:50
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Originally posted by fakka13k:
Hmmm doesn't seem like you are in agreement tbh, only one way to settle this, take your trousers and underpants off and fight!
Well, at least he isn't homophobic too.
I see now what fakka wanted us to do. your dirty mind works well with Jay's :P
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2013/06/12 : 00:47:51
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Originally posted by djDMS:
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Originally posted by fakka13k:
Hmmm doesn't seem like you are in agreement tbh, only one way to settle this, take your trousers and underpants off and fight!
Well, at least he isn't homophobic too.
I see now what fakka wanted us to do. your dirty mind works well with Jay's :P
Yes he wanted a night of this
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fakka13k
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Posted - 2013/06/12 : 01:13:40
^^ lol again, not a Sooty their either!
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fakka13k
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Posted - 2013/06/12 : 22:28:52
I brought up this subject about woodens at raves with a friend of mine who is one of the more "higher profile" hardcore dj's. He rekkon a that their is a hell of a lot less of them at raves nowadays, however interestingly he did point out that he could not recall seeing any "sista's" only "brothers" , weird eh?
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Mental_Adam
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Posted - 2013/06/13 : 00:39:44
There is no doubt about the main market or audience is white.
Like someone posted earlier that a thread like this is asking for trouble.
There are black, asian or whatever fans and ofcourse dj's and groups who have been part of the scene.
I've heard in the 1990s alot of Happy Hardcore music with black music sampled into it, Could've ranged from Reggae, Hip Hop and even Soul.
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jenks
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Posted - 2013/06/13 : 14:35:03
Well 86% of the population is white, so there'd be more call to suspect racism if the majority weren't white to be fair.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2013/06/13 : 17:19:58
As a black producer and rave-goer, Ive never encountered anything unsavory. However, I do wonder why there aren't more black and asian people at events. I think its just a matter of where Hardcore came from and howt developed. For sure as it has gone digital and spread across he world, more people from different ethnicities will take part.
Hardcore is big in some Asian countries. The only racism Ive seen toward Japanese Hardcore has come from Breeze and Hodzie refusing to acknowledge it as "UK Hardcore".
UK Hardcore as a name needs to be dropped imo. Its developed so much since that term was coined. Its defunct.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2013/06/13 : 17:35:57
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Originally posted by Elipton:
As a black producer and rave-goer, Ive never encountered anything unsavory. However, I do wonder why there aren't more black and asian people at events. I think its just a matter of where Hardcore came from and howt developed. For sure as it has gone digital and spread across he world, more people from different ethnicities will take part.
Hardcore is big in some Asian countries. The only racism Ive seen toward Japanese Hardcore has come from Breeze and Hodzie refusing to acknowledge it as "UK Hardcore".
UK Hardcore as a name needs to be dropped imo. Its developed so much since that term was coined. Its defunct.
Well that's because it's not UK Hardcore. It's a different style. Japanese style.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2013/06/13 : 19:17:50
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
As a black producer and rave-goer, Ive never encountered anything unsavory. However, I do wonder why there aren't more black and asian people at events. I think its just a matter of where Hardcore came from and howt developed. For sure as it has gone digital and spread across he world, more people from different ethnicities will take part.
Hardcore is big in some Asian countries. The only racism Ive seen toward Japanese Hardcore has come from Breeze and Hodzie refusing to acknowledge it as "UK Hardcore".
UK Hardcore as a name needs to be dropped imo. Its developed so much since that term was coined. Its defunct.
Well that's because it's not UK Hardcore. It's a different style. Japanese style.
Not entirely.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2013/06/13 : 23:44:15
I'm going to use this opportunity to go off on one about the whole "differentiating based on culture rather than genre" thing which does my nut. It won't be relevant but it will make me a happier person.
There's no such genre as "J-pop" or "J-rock" (or almost anything else people prefix with a "J-"). If the same tracks were released in this country, they would simply be labelled "pop" or "rock" which, pretty conclusively, means that they aren't separate genres to their western counterparts. I think it's primarily the segment of society who have a bit of a fixation with Asian culture in general -- which is probably why you don't see these same people, or anyone else for that matter, calling Dutch pop music "D-pop".
I think in hardcore it's probably not quite as simple because plenty of the so-called "J-core" I've heard is really rather different to "UK hardcore". Still not enough, though, in my opinion, to warrant a disparate label. Take, for mainstream exemplary common ground, the recent Shimamura album (side-note: awesome album). There were very few tracks on there that - minus the vocals - you would be surprised to hear a British producer put out. Shimamura, especially, seems to more or less track the trends of "UK hardcore" in his music (definitely not saying he isn't a great producer or that he doesn't put his unique stamp on the sound -- I think he is and he does). I've heard a lot of gabber, splittercore, speedcore etc. produced by Japanese artists as well and I'm sure parallel arguments for not calling those tracks "J-core" or some localised variant exist in the same fashion.
Anyway, long story short, "J-core" is just "hardcore" to me. I'm not offended by its use as a sub-genre in quite the same way that I am when people say "J-pop" or whatever but, to me, it's about as worthy of sub-classification as "electrocore" (which, for most of us, is still pejorative on a good day).
Finally, I ****ing hate the term "UK hardcore". I only ever use it to disambiguate from gabber (which I always call "gabber" for the same reason). To me, "UK hardcore" is a poisonous and exclusive name that was regrettable as soon as it was coined. If I could use another name for it with the same spread of semantic understanding, I would. I can't say I would be too happy if I was from another country and I was producing a genre called "UK hardcore" either.
I'm fairly high right now so if this doesn't make sense tomorrow, I probably won't try to defend anything I've said! :P
P.S. Breeze never struck me as the smartest cookie in the jar -- or, indeed, in any jar.
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