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latininxtc
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 Posted - 2013/08/02 : 20:10:47
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Someone was complaining that Knight in Shing Armour was Dub-Core the other week. I mean, seriously?
lol that's funny. that track doesn't have any noticeable dubstep or electro-house influences. Lovely track though can't wait until it's on Audiojelly.
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Posted - 2013/08/02 : 20:24:20
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If you're willing to have a proper discussion about it, you may get a reply from them.
which is "only" possible when you know something about producing.
when i, for example, say, that "Paranoia" sounds like a tune, which was only made with a >standard< buildup afterwards to show an kinda interesting, but too long effect, after gammer was playing around with it in the studio for hours, then you guys would probably ignore it or make fun of it because "the people on the dancefloor were dancing to it, so it is/was/must be good; who are you anyway (it's not like you are a known guy), as if your taste matters?".
it's useless to critise top producers from the fan side imo., once you are popular with your personal style, you slowly deaden the need to listen to the majority or people who isnt on the same / higher level as/than you, until the amount of people criticising [edit] grows faster.
"it's a creative process, as long as you like what you do, do it". sure, it's all about personal taste - "like it, or not" - but i think the majority of people here just have the tunes from <2006 in mind, thats the reason why there are so many CHX9 flame threads in this forum.
you may think "these guys live in the past, and you are not even that many, so who cares", but while soundcloud/twitter/facebook is full of constructive "phat tune m8" comments, a small amount of people actually care to type larger comments on here (even though, i have to agree, most comments in these flame threads were needlessly exaggerated).
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C.Kay
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Posted - 2013/08/02 : 20:32:06
I know haha, but this is the sort of thing Futureworld gets day in day out.
It is not, never has been, and never will be a 'dub-core' label. It an outlet for what the producers believe is good music, be it hardcore, drum step, drum n bass or whatever. It's that simple. People just don't realise this and think everything they release is what futureworld class as hardcore. Much like any single release, some hardcore tracks will come with a remix. I think it's a great idea, if it pulls fans of other genres into listening to hardcore, that can only be a good thing.
Myself & Breeze do the rough tempo thing together, and we have supported both established and new artists, and all styles of hardcore, so for some to say that Breeze thinks everyone should listen to the FW sound and nothing else is ridiculous.
The variety around at the moment is great, I love it
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C.Kay
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Posted - 2013/08/02 : 20:59:15
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Originally posted by DJ Hellfury:
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Originally posted by C.Kay:
If you're willing to have a proper discussion about it, you may get a reply from them.
which is "only" possible when you know something about producing.
when i, for example, say, that "Paranoia" sounds like a tune, which was only made with a >standard< buildup afterwards to show an kinda interesting, but too long effect, after gammer was playing around with it in the studio for hours, then you guys would probably ignore it or make fun of it because "the people on the dancefloor were dancing to it, so it is/was/must be good; who are you anyway (it's not like you are a known guy), as if your taste matters?".
it's useless to critise top producers from the fan side imo., once you are popular with your personal style, you slowly deaden the need to listen to the majority or people who isnt on the same / higher level as/than you, until the amount of people criticising [edit] grows faster.
"it's a creative process, as long as you like what you do, do it". sure, it's all about personal taste - "like it, or not" - but i think the majority of people here just have the tunes from <2006 in mind, thats the reason why there are so many CHX9 flame threads in this forum.
you may think "these guys live in the past, and you are not even that many, so who cares", but while soundcloud/twitter/facebook is full of constructive "phat tune m8" comments, a small amount of people actually care to type larger comments on here (even though, i have to agree, most comments in these flame threads were needlessly exaggerated).
I was talking more about styles of hardcore in general. No-one's going to like every track made, even the producers know that. Personally I choose not to comment on single tracks because there's always something else by that producer that I love. To me a comment like that really isn't constructive criticism, to me that would read as 'you spent so long on that effect that you couldn't be bothered & got lazy with the rest of the track'. If you look at paranoia, there's a lot more to it. There's no standard 'snare drum roll' on the build up, there's loads of little drops in there that have never been tried before, and some of the track isn't even 4/4. It's trying something different all round, but you've focused on one particular stand out part of the track rather than listen the entire thing and notice everything else.
I was talking more about, say, Breeze's latest clubland mix, for example. Soooo many comments about it being 'shit because its not all hardcore', yet not one person has asked him why he chose to do something different, and all those comments came before anyone had even heard the mix.
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Edited by - C.Kay on 2013/08/02 21:25:46 |
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Posted - 2013/08/02 : 22:00:51
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well, some djs/producers think that hhc.com is pretty much a "hate-base" in general
Annoyingly, that seems to be true (that people view the site like this). Couldn't be further from the truth. I spend 99% of my time talking about my love of Hardcore/being gay.
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'Dub-core is shit'
'Go hang yourself'
'**** off'
To your credit, you do spend a fair bit of time on here. And you therefore know that it's only a tiny percentage of comments that are like that (and they are largely ignored by most people). There are pages and pages of decent, calm, non-piss-taking discussion on here about it.
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Posted - 2013/08/03 : 11:16:35
C.Kay, any comments should be welcomed to be honest.
And to be honest (I love saying that), most of the Troll/Rage posts made here came after Breeze basicly said that "this is how hardcore is going to be, now stfu or get out of hardcore". That's not exactly a comments that spurs "variety".
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Originally posted by C.Kay:
I was talking more about, say, Breeze's latest clubland mix, for example. Soooo many comments about it being 'shit because its not all hardcore', yet not one person has asked him why he chose to do something different, and all those comments came before anyone had even heard the mix.
That would be because his previous mix was the same. The rage didnt just come from before a new release.
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Posted - 2013/08/03 : 14:47:19
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This account has nothing to do with Futureworld, I can assure you of that
Oh come now, I don't believe it is either but we both know that you can't guarantee that. If it was me doing it of my own accord, I probably wouldn't mention it to the rest of my label-mates either.
Having said that, I don't really think it is anyone from FW.
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Posted - 2013/08/03 : 14:58:27
I really like Paranoia and I definitely don't believe they spent an overly long time just doing the build-up. If I'm thinking of the right bit then the build-up is achieved relatively easily using LFO modulation and automation on the speed of the LFO.
Anyhow, good tune! That's my FW praise for the day.
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Posted - 2013/08/03 : 15:04:16
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Originally posted by Samination:
C.Kay, any comments should be welcomed to be honest.
And to be honest (I love saying that), most of the Troll/Rage posts made here came after Breeze basicly said that "this is how hardcore is going to be, now stfu or get out of hardcore". That's not exactly a comments that spurs "variety".
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Originally posted by C.Kay:
I was talking more about, say, Breeze's latest clubland mix, for example. Soooo many comments about it being 'shit because its not all hardcore', yet not one person has asked him why he chose to do something different, and all those comments came before anyone had even heard the mix.
That would be because his previous mix was the same. The rage didnt just come from before a new release.
This sounded nothing like his previous mix :s
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Samination
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Posted - 2013/08/03 : 15:13:34
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Originally posted by C.Kay:
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Originally posted by Samination:
C.Kay, any comments should be welcomed to be honest.
And to be honest (I love saying that), most of the Troll/Rage posts made here came after Breeze basicly said that "this is how hardcore is going to be, now stfu or get out of hardcore". That's not exactly a comments that spurs "variety".
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Originally posted by C.Kay:
I was talking more about, say, Breeze's latest clubland mix, for example. Soooo many comments about it being 'shit because its not all hardcore', yet not one person has asked him why he chose to do something different, and all those comments came before anyone had even heard the mix.
That would be because his previous mix was the same. The rage didnt just come from before a new release.
This sounded nothing like his previous mix :s
Well I wont make any more comment on that since I have only listened to samples. But considering with tracklist sharing basicly the same artists name, you can still say it doesnt sound alike?
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Posted - 2013/08/03 : 15:32:51
FWIW, C.Kay, I'm glad we actually have someone representing FW here and willing to engage with us.
Unfortunately being challenged by almost everyone comes with the territory but I think we're all happy that we're not complaining to a brick wall.
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Posted - 2013/08/03 : 16:01:29
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And the like are not worthy of a decent response. Unfortunately some people are stupid. Someone was complaining that Knight in Shing Armour was Dub-Core the other week. I mean, seriously? Half of those moaning don't even know what they're talking about lol
This annoys me as well. These are doubtless the same people who call glitchy electro house with a clear straight 4/4 kick "dubstep". It's hard to meaningfully criticise what you really don't understand at all.
Especially with hardcore, I've heard "dubcore" or "electrocore" used pretty much interchangeably to describe everything from sidechained basses to minimal drops. The actual dubcore and electrocore movements (which admittedly did exist in volume for quite some time) have become caricatured by many to the point where they now represent "all hardcore I don't like" or "anything without a supersaw lead".
I think with Knight In Shining Armour, it's just the atypical lead that tricks them out. Truth be told, I don't like that lead either but I know it's simply because I don't like that lead and not because the tune is "dubcore".
Education for the needy: If you want to hear heavily electro-influenced hardcore, listen to Gammer's "Switch". If you want to hear heavily dubstep-influenced hardcore (albeit straightened into a 4-to-the-floor beat), listen to Styles' "Screwface". There's actually a lot less dubstep-influenced hardcore than most people think there is. That minimal "dubcore" tune you're listening to with nothing but a kick and a dirty, almost atonal sidechained bass is more likely to be electro-influenced. If you really need a pejorative name for it, it probably falls under the electrocore umbrella. All this stuff with these modern synths (e.g. DS mix on CXH9) is usually neither dubcore nor electrocore -- it just contains echoes of what's happening in mainstream dance, house, etc. at the current time.
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Posted - 2013/08/03 : 16:53:17
Who has said that Darren Styles has had many dub or minimalistic elements to them? I thought DS was the one who mostly did melodic stuff.
I liked Gammer's track "We Killed the Rave" mostly because it contained a good blend of drumstep and hardcore. It wasn't a Hardcore track with heavy use of drumstep elements, or a drumstep track at 170BPM. Honestly, I still believe Gammer made it because of Rants from this forum or other places about him & now the FW crew only mkaing "drivvel" (the title of the track could clearly be referenced to the "you killed hardcore" rants).
Anyways, I'm busy listening to an old set of mine from 2004. Man how time flies :P
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Posted - 2013/08/03 : 19:04:05
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Originally posted by Elliott:
FWIW, C.Kay, I'm glad we actually have someone representing FW here and willing to engage with us.
Unfortunately being challenged by almost everyone comes with the territory but I think we're all happy that we're not complaining to a brick wall.
I'll be as honest as I can with you all. I'm quite thick skinned so I can take whatever people want to throw at me ;)
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Posted - 2013/08/03 : 19:10:26
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by C.Kay:
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Originally posted by Samination:
C.Kay, any comments should be welcomed to be honest.
And to be honest (I love saying that), most of the Troll/Rage posts made here came after Breeze basicly said that "this is how hardcore is going to be, now stfu or get out of hardcore". That's not exactly a comments that spurs "variety".
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Originally posted by C.Kay:
I was talking more about, say, Breeze's latest clubland mix, for example. Soooo many comments about it being 'shit because its not all hardcore', yet not one person has asked him why he chose to do something different, and all those comments came before anyone had even heard the mix.
That would be because his previous mix was the same. The rage didnt just come from before a new release.
This sounded nothing like his previous mix :s
Well I wont make any more comment on that since I have only listened to samples. But considering with tracklist sharing basicly the same artists name, you can still say it doesnt sound alike?
Breeze CXH8 track list
Sosumi ft. Misy DJ - You Got The Love (Breeze & Modulate Mix)
Breeze & Modulate - Bang 2 Me Nasty (VIP Mix)
Modulate ft. Marie Louise - 2 Lift Me Up
Breeze & Modulate - Inside Out
Styles, Breeze & Klubfiller - See The Stars
Ham - Anything For You
Organ Doners - Make The Girlies Wet (Breeze & Modulate Hardcore Mix)
Petruccio & Modulate ft. Marie Louise - Missing
Petruccio & Modulate ft. MC Whizzkid - Tsunami
Breeze & Modulate ft. Marie Louise - Wait Up!
Stylus & Audiojunkie - Synth Mode
Styles & Breeze - Crack It Smack It
Petruccio & Modulate ft. Mark Slammer - High On You
Darren Styles, Prospect & Becci - Driving Me Crazy
Petruccio & Modulate - Skank In The House
Destiny - Today
Modulate ft. MC Static - Maniac
Major Players - Come With Me (Petruccio Mix)
Sy & Unknown - You Got Me Rockin'
Adam Harris - For A Lifetime (Breeze Mix)
CXH9 track list
Modulate ft. MC Whizzkid - Bitch Slap
T2Kazuya - Youth
Petruccio & Modulate ft. Marie Louise - Escape
Modulate - Dagger
Mob & Becci - Taking Me Over
Modulate ft. Marie Louise - Body Scream
Nero - Won't You Be There (Baauer Mix)
Chase & Status ft. Liam Bailey - Blind Faith
Fleur & Cutline - Broken Mirror (Metrik Remix)
Modulate ft. Static - May Day
Breeze & Petruccio - Inception
Rocket Pimp - Grim Reaper (Skeets Mix)
The Prototypes - Suffocate
Jayline - Do You Like Jungle (Breeze VIP)
Tantrum Desire ft. I-KAY - What Is Your Desire
Breeze & Modulate - Don't Hold Back
Breeze & Modulate ft. Angie Brown - So Good
Modulate - Moving
Tyl3r & Reynolds - Break Out
JENN D - Lose It (Loadstar Mix)
Breeze & Chris Unknown - R3tro
Breeze & Modulate - You Got It All
Magikstar - Calling (Modulate VIP Mix)
There's loads of new artists on the last mix than the previous cd. You're basically saying you haven't even heard it, but you've decided it's shit anyway??
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