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C.Kay
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Posted - 2013/08/06 :  17:12:28  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit C.Kay's homepage  Reply with quote
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
Oh dear so much to read but I'm caught up. Perhaps now it's my turn to write my own novel on this topic.

First off: THE COMMENTS & THE COMMENTATORS

Some of the comments that the twitter page has highlighted are hilarious. It's not because I agree or disagree with what any of them have to say, but because they are some of the most illiterate things I've ever seen. But honestly a lot of supporters of the styles of hardcore that the comments are speaking of are just as literate-handicapped as the "haters," and that's not just exclusive to the UK ravers. You don't have to have a certain level of education or sophistication in order to be a fan of any genre of music, but when you want to make a valid point about anything I honestly think you should make sure it sounds like you actually put some thought and effort into your comments and critiques.

I have to say comparing the members here at hhc.com and the ones who post on twitter and facebook, we all look like academic scholars haha, even the ones who just do not like the current sound of the more mainstream side of hardcore. Sure we all have our moments where we post "It's shit"-like comments, even me, but I think a lot of us have adapted to trying to critically think about our opinions as best we can on this site. There's a huge difference to the styles of typing from 10 yrs ago on here to what it is now. Also, forums are designed for this sort of detailed discussion. Twitter and Facebook were not designed for people to have a completely open discussion about anything. Barely anyone uses the discussion boards in the groups anymore for Facebook, and Twitter sure as hell doesn't give you that luxury to type in detail what you really mean.

But the thing you also have to realize is that even if the commentators have the ability to properly read and type, they're not always music producing literate. I myself love hardcore, have for over 10 yrs of my life, but I honestly can't give an expert critique on the music because I just don't know the right words for to explain what I like or don't like about a track, but I do with what I can. I don't believe we have to necessarily know music production in order to correctly critique a song, and I also don't believe comments should be dismissed that actually are constructive criticisms.

DJ/MC/PRODUCERS' REACTIONS TO COMMENTS

First off, why would anyone in their right mind take serious offense to a comment like this:

"ITS NOT ****IN HARDCORE!!!! these djs r tekin piss abit now not impressed"

It's clearly not constructive criticism, and to me it's obvious that the person didn't genuinely give the track a chance.

Call me a snob, but if I were a DJ and producer I would be more offended if a fan of mine wrote this:

"Oioi alright m8 was well gutted couldnt see you at the water front norwich m8 can you let us no m8 whats comeing up and will be there m8 for a wicked night lol"

Like I said before, it doesn't have to take a specific level of education or sophistication to enjoy any particular genre of music, but if I get a ton of complements and kudos from people who type like that, it would make me wonder if my music naturally attracts the truly unsophisticated lol.

Going back to the "It's shit"-like comments, why the hell do the Futureworld djs/mcs/producers feel the need to get so upset about these comments and lash out to the people or group in general making such comments? The majority of those djs are top-tiered that get a booking practically every weekend. They practically make a living off of the UK hardcore scene, which apparently is very uncommon according to people that believe they are 'in the know.' If they're actually losing a large fanbase because of the direction their music is turning to, then I can understand the djs and producer becoming a bit upset and mentioning something on social media. But there is honestly no point in being as viscious, ignorant, and petty over comments that are so illiterate. It really sounds like they're just desperate to be loved by everyone, which I find a bit sad.

DJs/producers will never be able to satisfy everyone, and they shouldn't even try. You're always going to have those that will not like anything you do for whatever reason, and while that can sound ignorant it's perfectly in their right to do so. DJs/producers should either keep focusing on showcasing music that they genuinely enjoy or showcase music that their fanbase will enjoy, or both.

I have to bring up the whole comment they made about encouraging us to 'welcome variety in hardcore' again. I think it's completely hilarious that some of these djs/producers seem to portray themselves as victims for their push in bringing "variety" to UK hardcore and are looking to find support and encourage this "new" movement in UK hardcore. Where the hell was the support for DNA over 10 years ago when he tried to do the exact same thing and got heavily criticized for it? Did Hixxy, Styles, Breeze, MC Storm, Dougal, etc. come out and vocally support DNA for bringing something refreshing to UK Hardcore? No they certainly did not. Even though many people have discussed how many top tier djs/producers privately supported DNA, these dj/producers didn't want to do it publicly because they were apparently afraid of whatever backlash would have come to them from a public support.

What's sad is to me they don't seem to genuinely want variety in the UK hardcore scene, or even for the scene to be better united. Sure you have all of these top-tier djs joining one label to create a new Futureworld, but honestly all of those djs already produce a lot of the same styles of UK hardcore, with a few exceptions of course. If these djs/producers were truly interested in uniting the scene more and bringing more variety into UK hardcore, they would have worked alongside labels such as Hardcore Underground, Relentless, CLSM, Stamina and many others before even combining their resources and abandoning their own labels.



That DNA set was 2001, not 1999, so slightly later. I wouldn't know the answer to that, I didn't really know anyone back then so I couldn't give an honest answer to that question and wouldn't want to speculate.

To the last point you raise, I will say what I said earlier, myself AND BREEZE work on these hardcore takeovers on Rough Tempo, we both believe in pushing hardcore as a whole. We don't focus on the future world sound and the artists. HU do their thing, and they do it well, FW do their thing, and do it well, RSR, UKN, LT and everyone else do their thing, and they all do well, and all sounds are represented at the big raves as well as the small, so it's not like they're against them :s


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Samination
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Posted - 2013/08/06 :  17:49:01  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Samination's homepage  Reply with quote
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Originally posted by The Dopeman:
you should defo go on yt and check out his stuff from around 1993-97 those were (and still are) some of the best tunes he's made



I have, but if you want me to puke again, why not ;)

C.Kay: The problem is, even if people know what kind of music an artist does, a Label is usually associated with the sound it has made. I will have a hard time finding out a good track from FW just because of that, and I have probably passed on the tracks I could have liked just because of it. Unless Breeze somehow "categories it", I might pass on the label for a long time. And no, even tho the Modulate track you posted sounds nice, it's still nothing I would like to purchase.


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Edited by - Samination on 2013/08/06 17:52:25
DJ Hellfury
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Posted - 2013/08/06 :  17:56:10  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit DJ Hellfury's homepage  Reply with quote
Would be really interesting what your label friends have to say about the DNA case C.Kay :)

quote:
Originally posted by C.Kay:
We don't focus on the future world sound and the artists. HU do their thing, and they do it well, FW do their thing, and do it well, RSR, UKN, LT and everyone else do their thing, and they all do well, and all sounds are represented at the big raves as well as the small, so it's not like they're against them :s



I hope that you guys at least plan to collab with other labels around next year tune/album-wise, because now, it doesnt really look like it, because "every label is doing their thing"



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Edited by - DJ Hellfury on 2013/08/06 17:57:07
C.Kay
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Posted - 2013/08/06 :  18:57:11  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit C.Kay's homepage  Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
quote:
Originally posted by The Dopeman:
you should defo go on yt and check out his stuff from around 1993-97 those were (and still are) some of the best tunes he's made



I have, but if you want me to puke again, why not ;)

C.Kay: The problem is, even if people know what kind of music an artist does, a Label is usually associated with the sound it has made. I will have a hard time finding out a good track from FW just because of that, and I have probably passed on the tracks I could have liked just because of it. Unless Breeze somehow "categories it", I might pass on the label for a long time. And no, even tho the Modulate track you posted sounds nice, it's still nothing I would like to purchase.



The whole point of Future World is to put out what they consider to be good music, not just one style. It's new, you and everyone else will get used to it.


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C.Kay
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Posted - 2013/08/06 :  18:59:17  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit C.Kay's homepage  Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Hellfury:
Would be really interesting what your label friends have to say about the DNA case C.Kay :)

quote:
Originally posted by C.Kay:
We don't focus on the future world sound and the artists. HU do their thing, and they do it well, FW do their thing, and do it well, RSR, UKN, LT and everyone else do their thing, and they all do well, and all sounds are represented at the big raves as well as the small, so it's not like they're against them :s



I hope that you guys at least plan to collab with other labels around next year tune/album-wise, because now, it doesnt really look like it, because "every label is doing their thing"





I wouldn't like to say about collaborations, as in most cases with every producer, I guess finding the time to squeeze in collabs is tough


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Elliott
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Posted - 2013/08/06 :  22:55:10  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Elliott's homepage  Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by C.Kay:
HU do their thing, and they do it well, FW do their thing, and do it well, RSR, UKN, LT and everyone else do their thing, and they all do well, and all sounds are represented at the big raves as well as the small, so it's not like they're against them :s


I was going to write something whining about how that comment seems to deny the existence of a hierarchical structure/top tier in hardcore but there's so many people complaining to you already that you probably deserve a break.


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Posted - 2013/08/07 :  03:38:08  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Samination's homepage  Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by Elliott:
quote:
Originally posted by C.Kay:
HU do their thing, and they do it well, FW do their thing, and do it well, RSR, UKN, LT and everyone else do their thing, and they all do well, and all sounds are represented at the big raves as well as the small, so it's not like they're against them :s


I was going to write something whining about how that comment seems to deny the existence of a hierarchical structure/top tier in hardcore but there's so many people complaining to you already that you probably deserve a break.



You're giving someone a break? :P
Well atleast C.Kay is still taking his(her?) time replying to us, and I can't say we have been harsher than I have been. That should be a good way to show that we aren't h8rs here. We're just of a different mind on Hardcore.


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Lilley
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Posted - 2013/08/07 :  05:40:24  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Lilley's homepage  Reply with quote
How did this shit become 8 pages?

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DJ Hellfury
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Posted - 2013/08/07 :  06:24:34  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit DJ Hellfury's homepage  Reply with quote
^ totally agree on first picture.

quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
Well atleast C.Kay is still taking his(her?) time replying to us, and I can't say we have been harsher than I have been. That should be a good way to show that we aren't h8rs here. We're just of a different mind on Hardcore.



Yep, at least someone from FW that cares to type or answer back.



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Posted - 2013/08/07 :  06:29:03  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit The Dopeman's homepage  Reply with quote
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Originally posted by Lilley:
How did this shit become 8 pages?



it got off topic and got way out of hand lol


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Posted - 2013/08/07 :  07:02:10  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit Samination's homepage  Reply with quote
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@FW:
what the **** happened to dj gammer another good hardcore dj that has turned and spat upon over 20 years of his own hardcore work



Rofl. Gammer has produced tracks for 20 years?


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Posted - 2013/08/07 :  07:16:05  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit DJ Hellfury's homepage  Reply with quote
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Originally posted by Samination:
quote:
@FW:
what the **** happened to dj gammer another good hardcore dj that has turned and spat upon over 20 years of his own hardcore work



Rofl. Gammer has produced tracks for 20 years?



maybe he started with fisher price keyboards as kid?


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quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
[quote]@FW:
what the **** happened to dj gammer another good hardcore dj that has turned and spat upon over 20 years of his own hardcore work



Yeah, I saw that on Twitter. Where did that quote come from?


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Posted - 2013/08/07 :  10:54:44  Show profile  Send a private message  Visit latininxtc's homepage  Reply with quote
quote:
Originally posted by _Jay_:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
[quote]@FW:
what the **** happened to dj gammer another good hardcore dj that has turned and spat upon over 20 years of his own hardcore work



Yeah, I saw that on Twitter. Where did that quote come from?



I think I saw it on one of his songs on soundcloud, the good life remake.


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