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C.Kay
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 Posted - 2013/08/15 : 10:07:26
All good bud. You don't come out with crappy comments so I don't mind taking the time to answer you or others.
Samination - calling me a yes man? I'm glad the zero times you've met me and how little you know of me has formed that opinion for you
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Claxton
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 10:58:47
I could be so far off the mark here and this is pure guess work and speculation just to make that clear.
I think Breeze was going down the 'dubcore' route with Futureworld and Petruccio & Modulate etc and saw how unpopular it was becoming and how many people were turned off by it. So, he back tracked by getting all these other artists involved in Futureworld, and through his statements (multi genre label; rave label etc) has tried to keep the integrity of original Futureworld without it looking like he is back tracking.
I think he saw that he was becoming isolated in the scene and what he has done has been very shrewd by bringing it back again.
I still this there is that stigma attached to Futureworld and it will take time for that to be shaken off.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 11:47:15
What's the point of giving out the vocals at 140bpm? Are they trying to encourage dubstep entries or something? Why couldn't they have at least timestretched them first so that everyone gets the same basic quality of timestretch?
Perhaps they're trying to test our ability to get a decent 170bpm take out of it or something. Between that and the point about not giving out the vocal key, the whole thing reads like an audition for joining FW -- which it may well be.
Edit: I say "our" but I almost certainly won't be entering, I've never even used vocals on a track before.
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C.Kay
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 13:59:01
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Originally posted by Claxton:
I could be so far off the mark here and this is pure guess work and speculation just to make that clear.
I think Breeze was going down the 'dubcore' route with Futureworld and Petruccio & Modulate etc and saw how unpopular it was becoming and how many people were turned off by it. So, he back tracked by getting all these other artists involved in Futureworld, and through his statements (multi genre label; rave label etc) has tried to keep the integrity of original Futureworld without it looking like he is back tracking.
I think he saw that he was becoming isolated in the scene and what he has done has been very shrewd by bringing it back again.
I still this there is that stigma attached to Futureworld and it will take time for that to be shaken off.
I don't know. Was/is it really as unpopular as people think? Petruccio & Modulate won best producers before any of this came about, so there must have been some love for it?
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C.Kay
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 14:02:09
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Originally posted by Elliott:
What's the point of giving out the vocals at 140bpm? Are they trying to encourage dubstep entries or something? Why couldn't they have at least timestretched them first so that everyone gets the same basic quality of timestretch?
Perhaps they're trying to test our ability to get a decent 170bpm take out of it or something. Between that and the point about not giving out the vocal key, the whole thing reads like an audition for joining FW -- which it may well be.
Edit: I say "our" but I almost certainly won't be entering, I've never even used vocals on a track before.
I can't answer that because I don't know. Deeper Love & Need You More vocals were recorded at 140 and then time stretched, so maybe it's a standard thing?
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C.Kay
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 14:13:07
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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by C.Kay:
I guess some are stuck in the old, recycled sound that's been around since 2002
Some are, yeah. And who's place is it to say that's a bad thing. Who's to say current music is the only valid option?
Generally speaking, though, most people on here are pretty broad-minded and enjoy a massive range of Hardcore. So, I'd be careful about banding stuff like "stuck in the past" around, because it will piss people off (rightly or wrongly). You've done a fcuking sterling job of sticking up for the label you represent, and you deserve a massive amount of credit for reading and posting here - as I've said before. I'm sure a lot of people will agree.
It's quite difficult to pin-down the reasons for the FutureWorld disllike. It just happens to be the main talking point in Hardcore at the moment. That's not unexpected - having the vast majority of the top tier artists suddenly abandon their labels to form one sort of reborn super-label is quite a big deal. The image problems and issues - probably - originate from the way the original FutureWorld label finished (just before it was re-launched/re-branded or whatever). Breeze got Petruccio and Modulate heavily involved, who were producing the dirty electro and dubstep influenced stuff at the time. Breeze himself was producing in that style. Our Sound was FutureWorld-backed (I think?). Now, that style is in such contrast to what a lot of people defined as Hardcore at the time (not especially euphoric, not much momentum etc.) that it understandable didn't appeal to everyone. So, from then on 'FutureWorld' had it's new reputation as a 'Dubcore' label and everyone started slagging Breeze off and so on and so.
When this new conglomerate label was formed, it might have been a better idea to call it something completely different. Lots of people just view the current FutureWorld as an extension of the original one, and a lot of negative Dubcore-related connotations have come with it.
People's perceptions will change gradually, once the release schedule picks up momentum.
Excellent post, agree 100%
Yep, great post I agree. It's not really much different to Raverbaby in 01/02. UKdance stopped, Infinity pretty much stopped, and now by owned Silver, newcomers in Dowster, Uprising & others. I'm pretty sure this argument would have come about then as well.
I think the Future World Rave Experience show at west fest will change a lot of people's opinions....
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 14:13:09
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Originally posted by C.Kay:
Was/is it really as unpopular as people think?
The reaction to Clubland X-Treme Hardcore 8 - and I don't mean just on this site - was pretty bloody dreadful, I seem to remember.
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C.Kay
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 14:15:53
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by C.Kay:
Was/is it really as unpopular as people think?
The reaction to Clubland X-Treme Hardcore 8 - and I don't mean just on this site - was pretty bloody dreadful, I seem to remember.
I missed a lot of that,I was on my 'hiatus' around that time. But like I said, two of the leaders of that style won best producers at this years awards, so it can't have all been bad?
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 14:20:37
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Originally posted by C.Kay:
Yep, great post I agree.
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I think the Future World Rave Experience show at west fest will change a lot of people's opinions....
I'll be interested to hear what people make of that, and maybe purchase the CD/MP3 packs. I would be going, but it's the same night as a Freeform night in London (I'm in Essex) called Sinistry. It's phenomenal, and I've vowed never to miss one after going to my first (and second) Sinstry event(s) this year. I'd love to go and support Thumpa playing Freeform on the Hardcore stage, but for the amount of money (tight at the moment), the distance etc. - it's a no-brainer for me. Large raves really fcuking stress me out, and I simply don't enjoy them that much anymore. Which is a shame, because I used to really love them. Must be a weird age thing. I love the smaller events now, and the intense intimate atmosphere you get at them.
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 14:43:12
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But like I said, two of the leaders of that style won best producers at this years awards, so it can't have all been bad?
Yeah, course. There's obviously still a fair few people out there that like it. Lots, in fact.
I don't think that it was the case that what they were making was unpopular, or less popular than they were making it out to be. I think it was just that - where it was so different (in some really fundamental ways) - it brought out exceptionally strong reactions from the people that didn't like it. The people that didn't like it - they didn't just not like it. They fcuking hated it (myself included). And when I say "hate" I mean the normal meaning of the word, not this fcuking pathetic word that gets banded around by teenage kids in The States.
I think the reaction was made even stronger by a sense that this was the way Hardcore was going. That everyone was going to be making that kind of stuff soon. Not a nice thought if you didn't like that stuff. Obviously that wasn't the case, and there are other styles of Hardcore that are very strong at the moment, and will continue to be. But for a period - on or around the release of Clubland X-Treme Hardcore 8 - lots of people thought the future was looking very grim, and this all added to a general distaste towards the supports/promoters of that sound - Breeze, Petruccio & Modulate (FutrueWorld in general) etc.
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Samination
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 15:34:22
C.kay, in no way was my post directed at you, so I don't know why you took offence in that? Unless maybe, you're the guy behind that twitter account? And since you're affiliated with the label, you can't exactly go around saying negative things about it, so it kinda does make you into a "yes man" if I have to say it.
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 15:44:35
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Unless maybe, you're the guy behind that twitter account?
Blatantly not him.
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Samination
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 15:46:34
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Originally posted by Samination:
Unless maybe, you're the guy behind that twitter account?
Blatantly not him.
so why did he take offence? Whoever created that account isn't much better than the whiners or haters they proclaim to be lesser beings. Anyways, I'm way offtopic here so I will stop.
On topic: If the vocals are only 140BPM, why not make a dutch happy hardcore or spanish makina remix? :)
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 16:06:48
I don't know why anyone even cares or even takes any notice of the fact that that twitter account exists.
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C.Kay
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Posted - 2013/08/15 : 17:18:56
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
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Originally posted by Samination:
Unless maybe, you're the guy behind that twitter account?
Blatantly not him.
I can't prove I'm not, so no point even going down that route ;)
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