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Ionosphere
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 Posted - 2013/11/10 : 17:13:26
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Originally posted by Elliott:
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Originally posted by Ionosphere:
....seriously, what is Futureworld? 
Futureworld is the massive label conglomerate formed by all the usual suspects....
Aha, thank you....
....that shows how much notice we take these days but, we agree with what Olly has already said,
we like what Hardcore could be. It's just a crying shame that most don't have the imagination to like (or create) what they're not used to.
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Rodz90
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Posted - 2013/11/10 : 18:38:32
For me HU6 is the last step; i'm thinking if that's no good then i'll come back in 5 years have a listen and if i don't like what i hear i'll be off again. I'm listening and attending more Trance/Tech Trance/Psy-Trance raves anyway and have been absolutely blown away in the comparison of the amount of effort that is being put into events then hardcore.
I don't know why but for some reason i blame this more connected world as a lack of originality and creativity. On one hand it's great we can instantly listen to producers music once they've finished it - on the other it seems other producers listen, love it and cue 100 different tracks of the same thing being made. Go back to 2006, and to think Dougal and Gammer would have turned up at a rave to play Dont stop go with wii go crazy, then hixxy and recon will come on and play love comes followed by overload. Imagine the first time those tracks got dropped around the same time with little knowledge from the producers about about what each other were doing. There's a point in there somewhere that somehow this connected world makes copying much more easier and creativity much harder to find.
Oh and also as James Zabelia said a while back, he checks his inbox for music from producers and all he hears is just noise, perhaps fartstep has had a completely detrimental effect on music in all genres.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2013/11/10 : 18:51:17
Yay, pressure ;)
TBH I am reasonably confident. Both in HU6 and the follow ups...
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Elipton
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Posted - 2013/11/10 : 20:27:45
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Originally posted by Rodz90:
Go back to 2006, and to think Dougal and Gammer would have turned up at a rave to play Dont stop go with wii go crazy
2007 ;)
I agree with a lot of what you've said with regards to the connected world. I think thats an impact effected on all genres since music whent digital. Networking has almost cleared the proverbial fog. You can see more clearly what other labels are doing and the competition is far tighter. From what I've read in research and from accounts of people around at the time, the music industry when it was mainly on vinyl was quite different. At our level (not commercially), each label could more easily do their own thing, because it wasn't nearly as easy to gauge what another label is doing, and you can't see instantly when something becomes a success. Labels would more likely measure the success of their own music on their sales, and clumsily hit or miss until they found a more successful direction.
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kathryn
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Posted - 2013/11/10 : 20:49:09
[quote]Originally posted by CDJay:
Yay, pressure ;)
TBH I am reasonably confident. Both in HU6 and the follow ups...
CDJay
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How did HU6 get in category for best compilation album release when it has only recently been released 28th October 2013?
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wong
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Posted - 2013/11/10 : 20:55:48
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Originally posted by CDJay:
TBH I am reasonably confident. Both in HU6 and the follow ups...
i'm only interested in the follow ups .... so please hurry lol ;)
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CDJay
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Posted - 2013/11/10 : 23:04:35
Because faith ridden people dare to dream.
At least it can be judged contextually in the final round.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2013/11/10 : 23:11:30
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Originally posted by Rodz90:
For me HU6 is the last step; i'm thinking if that's no good then i'll come back in 5 years have a listen and if i don't like what i hear i'll be off again.
If you're looking for one album to give you a reason to stick around hardcore, chances are you've already left you just haven't accepted that to yourself.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2013/11/10 : 23:50:10
Tbf based on what else is readily accessible that's not entirely without reason.
I am happy to wave the flag, it has gotten harder but i am proud of HU6. It's not definitive, but it's hopeful.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2013/11/11 : 00:01:20
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Tbf based on what else is readily accessible that's not entirely without reason.
I am happy to wave the flag, it has gotten harder but i am proud of HU6. It's not definitive, but it's hopeful.
CDJay
That was no diss at HU6, as I know it will be a brilliant album and I for one have never been disappointed by your projects :)
But I've seen it a lot on here, people finding any reason to stick around to the scene they have grown to loathe, which I never understood. If it makes you unhappy, then why make yourself miserable over it? It's like a marriage, you don't stick around with someone you've grown to loathe until one of you dies anymore. Cut your losses and move on to something that puts a smile on your face.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2013/11/11 : 00:24:06
It's catch 22. Those two albums are released during the voting period.
I'd argue much harder against it if there were loads of other things being pushed aside. There's two actual "compilation" albums in the field this year. The rest are either artist albums or label showcase albums.
Excluding half the field because it falls a few weeks outside of the original voting range is surely worse than including it.
Particularly when it has zero change of winning anyway 
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Elipton
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Posted - 2013/11/11 : 00:27:53
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by CDJay:
Tbf based on what else is readily accessible that's not entirely without reason.
I am happy to wave the flag, it has gotten harder but i am proud of HU6. It's not definitive, but it's hopeful.
CDJay
But I've seen it a lot on here, people finding any reason to stick around to the scene they have grown to loathe, which I never understood. If it makes you unhappy, then why make yourself miserable over it? It's like a marriage, you don't stick around with someone you've grown to loathe until one of you dies anymore. Cut your losses and move on to something that puts a smile on your face.
It could be a myriad of things. People could be part of a genre for a long time and almost adopt it and feel that a particular movement ruins it or even defiles it in a way. Or, people might find the ultimate music for them that they enjoy the most and they can't source more because the music moves away from what they enjoy most. Having to downgrade to another genre just won't replace that. When people say music is like a drug, they're right. You have a taste of what gives you the best experience and you simply yearn for more. You can't downgrade or enjoy anything else quite as much.
No idea if I've explained that well at all. I'm tired xD
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2013/11/11 : 00:33:54
Nah it's a pretty good explanation. If i ever complain about Hardcore it's not because i just don't like it. There are lots of genres i don't like, but i don't feel the need to comment on them, i couldn't really care less. But Hardcore has always meant the most to me and for it to change so much is just so disappointing. Fortunately it's getting much better again, and has been for a while!
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Warnman
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Posted - 2013/11/11 : 20:58:05
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Honestly you're speaking to the wrong crowd. I'd say over half of the ppl who regularly comment on here rarely, or flatout don't, go to events at all and don't enjoy the current hardcore scenes. So I'd say that overall we probably don't "love" hardcore more than they do.
I will say that we are way more knowledgeable than many of them. I mean if they don't have any idea what the fuck J-core and frenchcore are, then it's pretty obvious that they are so isolated from the rest of the hardcore scene and are engulfed in their own projects. The same thing goes with their superfans, pretty ignorant on all the facets in hardcore.
I think drugs play a big role when people listen to music. If your mind (I don't mean you personaly - I'm speaking more in a general way) gets boosted to euphoria, you'd probably freak out to all the current played tracks. And you can't blame a DJ/producer to feel confident about the shit they play/produce when they have a group of junkies in front of them cheering to each played track like pubescent girls during a Justin Bieber concert.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2013/11/13 : 12:07:32
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I don't think so, They spend quite a bit of time perfecting every track they make, They've invested their whole lives(& quite a bit of finances-studio equipment etc) into this genre, Their investment into Hardcore really isn't worth it unless they love it to a huge extent, Some of them could be do much bigger things than it. :x
Perhaps, but thats quite short-sighted.
Why is it they show very little loyalty to their own creativity, and follow the trending styles like sheep. I don't really understand how you can compromise your own productions so that they appeal to more people or become viable to be on top releases like the Clubland X albums.
When you build a career out of a hobby or a passion, you have to do what's necessary to maintain that, right? It'd be a huge risk to pack that in. When you invest your lives into something, you'll compromise your music to sell more units and see more money.
It's also a case of sounding up-to-date. Now that Gammer and Styles have this new 'weird' synth melodic style, everyone else will have to move with that motion to sound like they're current. If they're deemed to play a dated or out-of-fashion sound, promoters won't want to book them. I assume that they see most of their money from playing events. In fact, that last point might be my most significant.
It seems like you got precisely what I was driving at with the original question. :)
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