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Smoogie
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 Posted - 2014/03/03 : 13:57:46
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Originally posted by Casketkrusher:
I myself don't like to mix my own tunes. I always mix from random labels like Dwarf, Babyboom, Test Crash Records and Terror Traxx, or sometimes from very very unknown labels like Blurp! Records which only has 3 releases made in 1994.
Never heard of Blurp! before but I found their 3 tunes on Youtube and listening now  1994 is easily one of the best years for Gabber 
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GrahamC
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Posted - 2014/03/03 : 18:31:57
Just means the sets lack variety for me.
Might be going back a good few years now but Dain-Ja did those mixes on here that covered the entire spectrum of labels - that would be the sort of thing I would want to buy, not a label-centric sets/mixes which is what we get on most hardcore comps.
The bigger name compilations in other genres, Ministry of Sound for instance, the music comes from all over the place but then they no longer have big-names mixing them. Why can't we have some anonymous DJ or programmer string a decent set of hardcore tracks and punt out a compilation?
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Elipton
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Posted - 2014/03/03 : 19:33:35
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Originally posted by Elliott:
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I'm a bit perplexed by this to be honest.. You seem to have a bit of a negative view on it, but have you actually seen him live? It's great!
Well, to be fair, this isn't the first time I've seen people on here complain about the general practice of playing exclusively your own tunes. There clearly is some negative sentiment towards doing this and it would be nice if you could acknowledge it (and then say why you don't think it's a problem) rather than just calling his question silly.
I'm well aware of a few comments toward the matter of DJ's playing mixes made up of their own tunes. However, some people are reacting to it as if it's a new thing. It's not. Here's why I don't think mixes at events are a problem. A night made up of 9 DJ's playing means you hear a variety of music even if each DJ plays their own music. Some DJ's are sought after by fans. I'm always very exited when Arkitech plays because I like his music, and I expect him to play it. If Scott Brown plays I get exited to hear his music. Same with DS, F&D, D&G and any other DJ. There's no point in paying thousands for a sought after DJ if they don't thrill the fans with their own music. It'd be like seeing a band at a festival play a load of covers. It's not what you go to see. DJ's who don't produce, support the bigger acts or don't have affiliations are more likely to play a variety of music.
Like I say, it's nothing new. The whole notion of "Freeform" originally came from playing a variety of music and introducing crowds to Hardcore they weren't used to. I can cite Sharkey on this, who posted on here in 2008. He said he "plays Hardcore in a Freeform way" and triess to keep the floor interested. People have their views on DJ's who play their own stuff, but if they don't particularly like the Dj who's playing, they can scamper into Room 2! If you're not liking the Dj who's playing on your tape pack, buy some tickets and go Munted!
It's the way it works! "OMG Sharkey is at Munted, I hope he plays some SHARKEY MUSIC (otherwise there's no point to it being Sharkey at all)"
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 00:33:54
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by Elliott:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
I'm a bit perplexed by this to be honest.. You seem to have a bit of a negative view on it, but have you actually seen him live? It's great!
Well, to be fair, this isn't the first time I've seen people on here complain about the general practice of playing exclusively your own tunes. There clearly is some negative sentiment towards doing this and it would be nice if you could acknowledge it (and then say why you don't think it's a problem) rather than just calling his question silly.
I'm well aware of a few comments toward the matter of DJ's playing mixes made up of their own tunes. However, some people are reacting to it as if it's a new thing. It's not. Here's why I don't think mixes at events are a problem. A night made up of 9 DJ's playing means you hear a variety of music even if each DJ plays their own music. Some DJ's are sought after by fans. I'm always very exited when Arkitech plays because I like his music, and I expect him to play it. If Scott Brown plays I get exited to hear his music. Same with DS, F&D, D&G and any other DJ. There's no point in paying thousands for a sought after DJ if they don't thrill the fans with their own music. It'd be like seeing a band at a festival play a load of covers. It's not what you go to see. DJ's who don't produce, support the bigger acts or don't have affiliations are more likely to play a variety of music.
Like I say, it's nothing new. The whole notion of "Freeform" originally came from playing a variety of music and introducing crowds to Hardcore they weren't used to. I can cite Sharkey on this, who posted on here in 2008. He said he "plays Hardcore in a Freeform way" and triess to keep the floor interested. People have their views on DJ's who play their own stuff, but if they don't particularly like the Dj who's playing, they can scamper into Room 2! If you're not liking the Dj who's playing on your tape pack, buy some tickets and go Munted!
It's the way it works! "OMG Sharkey is at Munted, I hope he plays some SHARKEY MUSIC (otherwise there's no point to it being Sharkey at all)"
Pretty much exactly what I said.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 00:47:53
I like DJ's because of their good track selection, whatever it is, rather than because i like the songs they make. Hixxy is probably my favourite DJ for 90's stuff, but not because he plays any of his own stuff (which he doesn't play much of). The tracks he chooses to play are just really good and to my taste. That's what makes him a good DJ. However I'm not disagreeing. Just sayin'.
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fakka13k
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 09:01:49
I agree people now pay to go see a dj play the tunes that they have made and that people like.
However that wasn't always the case with hardcore, I believe people went to see the dj's for the experience they provided, how the set was structured, how a dj could bring a mass of people to heights they hadn't been to before and keep the rhythm going. I have been to many events ( yes I've seen Scott Brown umpteen times too), in 98 Dougal was putting out lots of good music at the time however at some events the floor was really sparse as people had ****ed off, lazy mixing, poor structure and didn't really seem to care just as long as he put on one record of his after another that was good enough for him, before anyone goes on a backlash about me being negative, it is just what happened, nothing more nothing less. He wasn't the only one like this though either, Hixxy was too as was the great Scott brown on a few occasions too
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 10:42:39
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Originally posted by fakka13k:
I agree people now pay to go see a dj play the tunes that they have made and that people like.
However that wasn't always the case with hardcore, I believe people went to see the dj's for the experience they provided, how the set was structured, how a dj could bring a mass of people to heights they hadn't been to before and keep the rhythm going. I have been to many events ( yes I've seen Scott Brown umpteen times too), in 98 Dougal was putting out lots of good music at the time however at some events the floor was really sparse as people had ****ed off, lazy mixing, poor structure and didn't really seem to care just as long as he put on one record of his after another that was good enough for him, before anyone goes on a backlash about me being negative, it is just what happened, nothing more nothing less. He wasn't the only one like this though either, Hixxy was too as was the great Scott brown on a few occasions too
Before an "artist" is well known and has a catalogue of released material, they become "DJ famous". Where people go to see them for the reasons you specified. Their mixes.
What you might be confusing is this stage of an artist's development. It was a little airy fairy back in the 90's because hardcore had nowhere near as much exposure and wasn't mainstream - ****, the internet wasn't even a viable way to market anything.
In steps social media (facebook, soundcloud, forums etc) and now everyone knows who produced what and everything is marketed in the mainstream for ACTUAL money. It's just not the same thing, you're not comparing apples to apples.
I'm not sure there's actually an answer that you're looking for. Now that we know you're specifically JUST talking about hardcore - it's still impossible to tell. There was no definitive moment where it was like "yep, that guy's set was just full of his own tracks - wow that's never happened before!". Everyone would have noticed at a different time. It's subjective.
Hell, even the ORIGINAL bonkers (released in 1996), the sets went like this:
Hixxy's CD: 7/18 of the tracks, he's involved in.
Sharkey's CD: 9/17 of the tracks, he's involved in.
Even the ORIGINAL bonkers was heavily laced with the artist's own tracks.
Does that give you some semblance of an answer?
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Samination
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Posted - 2014/03/04 : 16:21:30
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by fakka13k:
I agree people now pay to go see a dj play the tunes that they have made and that people like.
However that wasn't always the case with hardcore, I believe people went to see the dj's for the experience they provided, how the set was structured, how a dj could bring a mass of people to heights they hadn't been to before and keep the rhythm going. I have been to many events ( yes I've seen Scott Brown umpteen times too), in 98 Dougal was putting out lots of good music at the time however at some events the floor was really sparse as people had ****ed off, lazy mixing, poor structure and didn't really seem to care just as long as he put on one record of his after another that was good enough for him, before anyone goes on a backlash about me being negative, it is just what happened, nothing more nothing less. He wasn't the only one like this though either, Hixxy was too as was the great Scott brown on a few occasions too
Before an "artist" is well known and has a catalogue of released material, they become "DJ famous". Where people go to see them for the reasons you specified. Their mixes.
What you might be confusing is this stage of an artist's development. It was a little airy fairy back in the 90's because hardcore had nowhere near as much exposure and wasn't mainstream - ****, the internet wasn't even a viable way to market anything.
In steps social media (facebook, soundcloud, forums etc) and now everyone knows who produced what and everything is marketed in the mainstream for ACTUAL money. It's just not the same thing, you're not comparing apples to apples.
I'm not sure there's actually an answer that you're looking for. Now that we know you're specifically JUST talking about hardcore - it's still impossible to tell. There was no definitive moment where it was like "yep, that guy's set was just full of his own tracks - wow that's never happened before!". Everyone would have noticed at a different time. It's subjective.
Hell, even the ORIGINAL bonkers (released in 1996), the sets went like this:
Hixxy's CD: 7/18 of the tracks, he's involved in.
Sharkey's CD: 9/17 of the tracks, he's involved in.
Even the ORIGINAL bonkers was heavily laced with the artist's own tracks.
Does that give you some semblance of an answer?
Nice that you didnt mention Bonkers 7, because Hixxy's mix is 99.999% Hixxy & UFO :P. But then I consider that album as a concempt album
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2014/03/05 : 00:05:13
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by fakka13k:
I agree people now pay to go see a dj play the tunes that they have made and that people like.
However that wasn't always the case with hardcore, I believe people went to see the dj's for the experience they provided, how the set was structured, how a dj could bring a mass of people to heights they hadn't been to before and keep the rhythm going. I have been to many events ( yes I've seen Scott Brown umpteen times too), in 98 Dougal was putting out lots of good music at the time however at some events the floor was really sparse as people had ****ed off, lazy mixing, poor structure and didn't really seem to care just as long as he put on one record of his after another that was good enough for him, before anyone goes on a backlash about me being negative, it is just what happened, nothing more nothing less. He wasn't the only one like this though either, Hixxy was too as was the great Scott brown on a few occasions too
Before an "artist" is well known and has a catalogue of released material, they become "DJ famous". Where people go to see them for the reasons you specified. Their mixes.
What you might be confusing is this stage of an artist's development. It was a little airy fairy back in the 90's because hardcore had nowhere near as much exposure and wasn't mainstream - ****, the internet wasn't even a viable way to market anything.
In steps social media (facebook, soundcloud, forums etc) and now everyone knows who produced what and everything is marketed in the mainstream for ACTUAL money. It's just not the same thing, you're not comparing apples to apples.
I'm not sure there's actually an answer that you're looking for. Now that we know you're specifically JUST talking about hardcore - it's still impossible to tell. There was no definitive moment where it was like "yep, that guy's set was just full of his own tracks - wow that's never happened before!". Everyone would have noticed at a different time. It's subjective.
Hell, even the ORIGINAL bonkers (released in 1996), the sets went like this:
Hixxy's CD: 7/18 of the tracks, he's involved in.
Sharkey's CD: 9/17 of the tracks, he's involved in.
Even the ORIGINAL bonkers was heavily laced with the artist's own tracks.
Does that give you some semblance of an answer?
Nice that you didnt mention Bonkers 7, because Hixxy's mix is 99.999% Hixxy & UFO :P. But then I consider that album as a concempt album
I didn't mention any other bonkers because bonkers 1 was before all of them and the whole point is *when* it started happening. There are albums with far more "self promotion" that bonkers one. My point was just that its always been around.
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