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Hard2Get
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 Posted - 2003/01/28 : 02:56:39
Some songs are released on CD aswell, like the CLSM releases, check out adrenaline records.
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strychnine
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Posted - 2003/01/28 : 03:04:20
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Originally posted by silver:
About the car stealing thing I wrote before, I was ment to compair the loss of money from working hard to earn a something to piracy of artists work.
That's the part of your argument that I agree with.
My point is that for the labels and companies sorta lose credibility with the lost income argument when they're doing it to themselves by not offering the product in more accessible/affordable medium types.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2003/01/28 : 05:10:49
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My point is that for the labels and companies sorta lose credibility with the lost income argument when they're doing it to themselves by not offering the product in more accessible/affordable medium types.
Yeah but i'm sure if it was that easy to do so then they would be doing it :P
It's obviously a bit more complex.
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Skyler
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Posted - 2003/01/28 : 07:38:47
Like it or not illegal mp3s are here to stay, not much will ever change that now. People have got so used to the mp3 trade that they will never start parting with money for music when they can get it for free ? In most cases they can get the mp3's before the CD is officially released for nothing.. No record company can beat that :)
For too long CD's have been ridiculously overpriced and now the record companies are paying for it. I have no sympathy for the big named record companies, they are getting what has been coming to them for a long time. Even saying that I dont think the mp3 trade is hurting them 'that' much, an awful lot of people use mp3s as a way of getting to hear things they wouldnt normally buy and then if they like it they will go and purchase the actual CD...
As for mp3s and the Vinyl scene, I dont think that they have been much of a problem until now, infact they have probably helped the scene.. hardcore at least more than they have hindered it. Nearly all vinyl releases/white labels/promos get ripped by certain mp3 groups online, they are ripped at super high quality and to high standards and distributed amongst a community of fellow mp3 rippers and DJ's alike - mainly. Sadly they filter down onto public file sharing programs such as kazaa and whatever and thus get spread around everywhere.
Most of the DJ's who get those mp3s use them as a trial medium for possible new purchases, I know thats exactly what I do.. I download as many tracks I might like as I can, if I like them I will go and buy them and if not they either get deleted or linger on my hdd because I'm too lazy to find and delete them all. If it wasnt for me getting those mp3s I probably would of never bought a lot of my tunes, or got into certain genres that I am now into. Up until recently, the entire hardcore vinyl ripping scene has been a large benefit to DJ's and recording artists imo... It gets their stuff around to an awful lot of DJ's - people who actually do buy vinyl, and helps sales more than it hinders them..
Thats what used to happen, but now we are seeing more and more ingenious ideas which hurt vinyl incredibly. With the advent of Stanton final scratch and some of the latest CD Decks vinyl is losing its advantage somewhat. The vinyl is still ripped, the groups wont stop ripping the vinyl.. only now instead of the mp3s being used for trial purposes as they cant really be mixed they are now able to be mixed, as well as vinyl is..
So now we have most vinyl releases ripped at excellent quality, shared around on kazaa and other such programs more and more. The tools to mix them just like vinyl are also now around and becoming more and more widespread. So now
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virus
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Posted - 2003/01/28 : 10:06:26
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If it wasnt for me getting those mp3s I probably would of never bought a lot of my tunes
thats why online record stores have mp3 samples of the tracks available to buy..
and i dont think ANYBODY should support an mp3 dj. mp3 djs are lame.
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tommo
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Posted - 2003/01/28 : 10:21:06
I dont know I can see both sides of the argument.
Side one:mp3s can promote a song/artist/whatever.And can get people into
certain genres/artists etc that they wouldn't have otherwise gotten into.
It opens people up to more music.And if they really like the artist or
whatever they can go out and buy the tape/cd/vinyl.
Side Two:Why buy a cd/vinyl/tape when you can download them for free.
Prices are ridiculously high anyway.And it saves you a trip to the store.
I download mp3s and buy a lotta cds/tapes etc...
If it wasnt for mp3s I wouldnt be hardly into hardcore because I wouldnt know where to buy it.But know I know slammin vinyl,united dance,helter skelter etc.
Mp3s do a small scene like hardcore good.
But it does a lot of damage to the pop and rock music industry.
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Why o why cant you just accept it.
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Skyler
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Posted - 2003/01/28 : 11:09:44
mp3 DJ's can die..
but they arent the problem..
CD DJ's and users of stanton final scratch are :p
They can get the mp3s for free online, burn to cd or whatever and use them as if they bought the song. Thats what will do the damage... if CD Decks/stanton final scratch didnt exist then they would either be buying decks and vinyl or not djing at all, either of those options are better than a DJ who doesnt buy his tunage :(
As for the mp3 scene damaging the rock/pop industry, all they are doing is showing greedy record companies that people will not stand for their stupidly high pricing anymore. Whats actually happening is that they are tilting the swing back into the consumers favour instead of it being completely record company biased for many years..
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strychnine
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Posted - 2003/01/28 : 15:30:42
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
Yeah but i'm sure if it was that easy to do so then they would be doing it :P
It's obviously a bit more complex.
I've yet to see one viable argument why that is the case. I mean, if you're gonna do all the legals and other ancillary stuff for vinyl (and let's face it, I'm not talking about CD replacing vinyl here), and if dodgy boondocks producers and DJ's can get a pressed CD out there at minimal purchase price and still generate a profit, why can't the record companies/labels do it?
It seems to me that there's an unspoken sentiment, not just in hardcore, but amongst all of the underground rave genres that vinyl is to be maintained at all costs, and that means suppressing the other media to minimise the risk that they may take over. Whether this has anything to do with trying to keep these genres "underground" is something best left to another argument, but if that's the case then the labels really can't bitch about lost income when the supply gap is something they've created themselves. It's simply economics.
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mr bishi
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Posted - 2003/01/28 : 16:28:58
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Have you tryed to order from online store's?
I mentioned earlier on that i don't have a credit card which means that i can't order from the big online stores like imo, also i started a topic a while back looking if people knew where i could order vinyl with online checks or if any1 knew where i could get hhc vinyl in Ireland.No replies though  .
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If hardcore is not in the shops around your area I recommend you goto the shop and order it from them, do a custom order, that way they will perhaps stock hardcore in the future
I tried that in Dublin in a store called Abby Discs best record store i know and i was laughed out of the shop.I also e-mailed them but never got a response.
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whispering
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Posted - 2003/01/28 : 21:04:38
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i don't have a credit card which means that i can't order from the big online stores
I have a visa electron, i can use it as a credit card...
in finland you have to be 15 years old to get the card,
you should ask from your bank for the visa electron...
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TweekiN
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Posted - 2003/01/28 : 21:09:40
i dont think mp3's kill HHC
The Police are doing that single handedly
closing down most parties here and abroad
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Oli G
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Posted - 2003/01/28 : 23:52:53
CD Singles need to be done
a lot more labels in the future will be releasing theese, including camel records
You wont ever stop music piracy tho, its too easy, even if you have a copywrited mp3, you play it, and record it back from a line in.... your ****ed
The only people who are going to buy music now are those not 100% computer litterate, and those who will actualy buy the CD because they want the collection etc... its a ****er, you KNOW you can go download a cd a few days after its released, and with vinyls... were still ****ed, release a tune on cd single or not its gonna end up on the net, theres another rip group in the UK buying tracks from record shops who stock hardcore, and doing professional rips like they have been doing with trance etc for years...
The music industrys gonna end up on its arse sooner than we realise it
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Simon
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Posted - 2003/01/29 : 00:03:52
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Originally posted by whispering:
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i don't have a credit card which means that i can't order from the big online stores
I have a visa electron, i can use it as a credit card...
in finland you have to be 15 years old to get the card,
you should ask from your bank for the visa electron...
In the UK for On-Line ordering if your under 18 ask about the "Solo" card....We do have Visa Electron but they need to be swiped and so can't be used over the internet.
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tommo
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 Posted - 2003/01/29 : 01:50:39
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Originally posted by Simon:
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Originally posted by whispering:
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i don't have a credit card which means that i can't order from the big online stores
I have a visa electron, i can use it as a credit card...
in finland you have to be 15 years old to get the card,
you should ask from your bank for the visa electron...
In the UK for On-Line ordering if your under 18 ask about the "Solo" card....We do have Visa Electron but they need to be swiped and so can't be used over the internet.
What is the Solo card?Im under 18,does that mean I can get one?
Im just a bassline addict
Im just a hardcore addict
Im just a dancefloor manic
Why o why cant you just accept it.
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whispering
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Posted - 2003/01/29 : 02:48:03
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In the UK for On-Line ordering if your under 18 ask about the "Solo" card....We do have Visa Electron but they need to be swiped and so can't be used over the internet.
This is a quote from amazon.co.uk:
Credit & Debit Cards
We accept Visa, Delta, Visa Electron, MasterCard, Eurocard, American Express, Switch, Solo and cheques or postal orders denominated in pounds sterling as payment for orders.
And i have used my visa electron in online shops that only accepts visa...
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