Elipton Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,268 posts Joined: Apr, 2013
Posted - 2014/09/28 : 17:28:31
quote:Originally posted by oxis:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
quote:Originally posted by oxis:
Own Groove was surprisingly enjoyable, but i cant really think of any other tracks by him that i remember. my main problem with him is how he uses the same kick and snare samples in every original track he makes (and i am convinced that he uses the same bassline aswell), imo he should delete his samples/presets and try to make something out of more unorthodox sounds
You havent heard many Scott Brown songs then? :)
i have but how is that relevant to the topic?
Scott Brown is pretty renowned for regurgitating samples and synths
latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2014/09/28 : 19:50:49
quote:Originally posted by Claxton:
Are we really comparing Scott Brown and Klubfiller?
We're not comparing them, but merely stating the fact that they both use a similar method of production.
I don't have anything against producers using the same kicks/snares whatever in every one of their tracks but I find it annoying that people use that as an excuse not to like a producer. Reminds me of when people complained about how all of S3RL's tracks sound similar and used that as an excuse to dislike his music, when like mentioned Scott Brown has been doing it for over a decade and never gets criticized for it. It's clearly not the repetitiveness of tracks that you hate if you are a fan of other producers doing the same method.
That's not the case with Klubfiller he can sound repetitive all he wants, but it's his signature sound that just fucking sucks and will always fucking suck to me.
oxis Junior Member
Portugal
128 posts Joined: Apr, 2014
Posted - 2014/09/28 : 20:01:04
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
quote:Originally posted by Claxton:
Are we really comparing Scott Brown and Klubfiller?
We're not comparing them, but merely stating the fact that they both use a similar method of production.
I don't have anything against producers using the same kicks/snares whatever in every one of their tracks but I find it annoying that people use that as an excuse not to like a producer. Reminds me of when people complained about how all of S3RL's tracks sound similar and used that as an excuse to dislike his music, when like mentioned Scott Brown has been doing it for over a decade and never gets criticized for it. It's clearly not the repetitiveness of tracks that you hate if you are a fan of other producers doing the same method.
That's not the case with Klubfiller he can sound repetitive all he wants, but it's his signature sound that just fucking sucks and will always fucking suck to me.
solid point. i guess my problem is not that he uses the same crap all the time, it is just that i dont like the crap that he uses. i stand corrected then
also, didnt SB get a lot of crap for constantly using that kick (Bassline of the Century, the You're My Angel remix, Make You Freak etc)? i was under the impression that he did
latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2014/09/28 : 20:37:33
quote:Originally posted by oxis:
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
quote:Originally posted by Claxton:
Are we really comparing Scott Brown and Klubfiller?
We're not comparing them, but merely stating the fact that they both use a similar method of production.
I don't have anything against producers using the same kicks/snares whatever in every one of their tracks but I find it annoying that people use that as an excuse not to like a producer. Reminds me of when people complained about how all of S3RL's tracks sound similar and used that as an excuse to dislike his music, when like mentioned Scott Brown has been doing it for over a decade and never gets criticized for it. It's clearly not the repetitiveness of tracks that you hate if you are a fan of other producers doing the same method.
That's not the case with Klubfiller he can sound repetitive all he wants, but it's his signature sound that just fucking sucks and will always fucking suck to me.
solid point. i guess my problem is not that he uses the same crap all the time, it is just that i dont like the crap that he uses. i stand corrected then
also, didnt SB get a lot of crap for constantly using that kick (Bassline of the Century, the You're My Angel remix, Make You Freak etc)? i was under the impression that he did
If I remember correctly he did slightly, not by any current active members on here (although I remember myself stating I was tired of it). Once he started producing UK hardcore full-time again all of that criticism about those similarities in all his tracks went out the window, and same with me. I guess I've just grown used to it and no longer use it as a point of argument on his productions.
Elliott Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,147 posts Joined: May, 2012
Posted - 2014/09/28 : 23:23:06
If Klubfiller is so shit, how does he get so much action with Re-Con and Gammer? Neither of those guys would have to go anywhere near a producer they didn't want to.
Let's look at some of his solo work: Make It Right, Own Groove, Without You and Coming Home are all bangers. Some of them are even real hardcore tunes. In the collab stakes he has Future Fuzz, Late Night, Good For Me, Phantom 7, Halfway There, Closer and Guiding Light (I don't care what anyone says, I think it's great :P). He has had a hand in some brilliant tracks over the years.
I'm taking a stand against all the Klubfiller hate. The only regrettable things he does are post shitty mashups and overuse the same sounds. He can do whatever he wants as long as he puts out the occasional decent real hardcore track. The scene is still better for having him even if his track record is less than exemplary.
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latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2014/09/29 : 03:25:57
quote:Originally posted by Elliott:
If Klubfiller is so shit, how does he get so much action with Re-Con and Gammer? Neither of those guys would have to go anywhere near a producer they didn't want to.
Let's look at some of his solo work: Make It Right, Own Groove, Without You and Coming Home are all bangers. Some of them are even real hardcore tunes. In the collab stakes he has Future Fuzz, Late Night, Good For Me, Phantom 7, Halfway There, Closer and Guiding Light (I don't care what anyone says, I think it's great :P). He has had a hand in some brilliant tracks over the years.
I'm taking a stand against all the Klubfiller hate. The only regrettable things he does are post shitty mashups and overuse the same sounds. He can do whatever he wants as long as he puts out the occasional decent real hardcore track. The scene is still better for having him even if his track record is less than exemplary.
The drunken scotsman Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,488 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2014/09/29 : 07:05:54
quote:Originally posted by Elliott:
If Klubfiller is so shit, how does he get so much action with Re-Con and Gammer? Neither of those guys would have to go anywhere near a producer they didn't want to.
Let's look at some of his solo work: Make It Right, Own Groove, Without You and Coming Home are all bangers. Some of them are even real hardcore tunes. In the collab stakes he has Future Fuzz, Late Night, Good For Me, Phantom 7, Halfway There, Closer and Guiding Light (I don't care what anyone says, I think it's great :P). He has had a hand in some brilliant tracks over the years.
I'm taking a stand against all the Klubfiller hate. The only regrettable things he does are post shitty mashups and overuse the same sounds. He can do whatever he wants as long as he puts out the occasional decent real hardcore track. The scene is still better for having him even if his track record is less than exemplary.
I just think that Klubfiller is really good at networking and promoting/marketing himself, hence all the collabs and sets at big events. He has the liverpool connection with re-con and squad-e. Imo the only decent tunes he's ever had have been collabs. He must bring something to the table but honestly I don't know what - musically he's very limited.
All of the solo tracks you mention are at best mediocre IMO, no more than set fillers (could be a new name for him in there actually!)
Also you say that one of the regrettable things he does is post shitty mashups - His sets mainly consist of these shitty mashups. One of his latest ones is Darren styles 'never forget you, with the accapella of Wonderwall by oasis over it. Don't think I'm alone in surmising that these mashups are a mere cover-up for a lack of talent.
Alert moderatorEdited by - The drunken scotsman on 2014/09/29 07:31:56
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,239 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2014/09/29 : 11:11:15
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
All of the solo tracks you mention are at best mediocre IMO, no more than set fillers (could be a new name for him in there actually!)
"DJ Setfiller - Fcuk the Scots, We own them and their tiny little land they call home mwuahahaha"? :P
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Elliott Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,147 posts Joined: May, 2012
Posted - 2014/09/29 : 12:33:04
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
quote:Originally posted by Elliott:
If Klubfiller is so shit, how does he get so much action with Re-Con and Gammer? Neither of those guys would have to go anywhere near a producer they didn't want to.
Let's look at some of his solo work: Make It Right, Own Groove, Without You and Coming Home are all bangers. Some of them are even real hardcore tunes. In the collab stakes he has Future Fuzz, Late Night, Good For Me, Phantom 7, Halfway There, Closer and Guiding Light (I don't care what anyone says, I think it's great :P). He has had a hand in some brilliant tracks over the years.
I'm taking a stand against all the Klubfiller hate. The only regrettable things he does are post shitty mashups and overuse the same sounds. He can do whatever he wants as long as he puts out the occasional decent real hardcore track. The scene is still better for having him even if his track record is less than exemplary.
I just think that Klubfiller is really good at networking and promoting/marketing himself, hence all the collabs and sets at big events. He has the liverpool connection with re-con and squad-e. Imo the only decent tunes he's ever had have been collabs. He must bring something to the table but honestly I don't know what - musically he's very limited.
All of the solo tracks you mention are at best mediocre IMO, no more than set fillers (could be a new name for him in there actually!)
Also you say that one of the regrettable things he does is post shitty mashups - His sets mainly consist of these shitty mashups. One of his latest ones is Darren styles 'never forget you, with the accapella of Wonderwall by oasis over it. Don't think I'm alone in surmising that these mashups are a mere cover-up for a lack of talent.
To be completely honest, I've never heard him play out. Maybe if I did, I'd have a different opinion on him (as a DJ, at least). Plenty of producers suck as DJs though. Styles comes to mind as the height of mediocrity as a DJ.
I still stand by my defence of him as a producer and I'm honestly quite surprised that you don't like Without You. I would've thought most people who like their cheesy vocal hardcore would be digging it, like me.
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latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2014/09/29 : 15:07:11
quote:Originally posted by Elliott:
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
quote:Originally posted by Elliott:
If Klubfiller is so shit, how does he get so much action with Re-Con and Gammer? Neither of those guys would have to go anywhere near a producer they didn't want to.
Let's look at some of his solo work: Make It Right, Own Groove, Without You and Coming Home are all bangers. Some of them are even real hardcore tunes. In the collab stakes he has Future Fuzz, Late Night, Good For Me, Phantom 7, Halfway There, Closer and Guiding Light (I don't care what anyone says, I think it's great :P). He has had a hand in some brilliant tracks over the years.
I'm taking a stand against all the Klubfiller hate. The only regrettable things he does are post shitty mashups and overuse the same sounds. He can do whatever he wants as long as he puts out the occasional decent real hardcore track. The scene is still better for having him even if his track record is less than exemplary.
I just think that Klubfiller is really good at networking and promoting/marketing himself, hence all the collabs and sets at big events. He has the liverpool connection with re-con and squad-e. Imo the only decent tunes he's ever had have been collabs. He must bring something to the table but honestly I don't know what - musically he's very limited.
All of the solo tracks you mention are at best mediocre IMO, no more than set fillers (could be a new name for him in there actually!)
Also you say that one of the regrettable things he does is post shitty mashups - His sets mainly consist of these shitty mashups. One of his latest ones is Darren styles 'never forget you, with the accapella of Wonderwall by oasis over it. Don't think I'm alone in surmising that these mashups are a mere cover-up for a lack of talent.
To be completely honest, I've never heard him play out. Maybe if I did, I'd have a different opinion on him (as a DJ, at least). Plenty of producers suck as DJs though. Styles comes to mind as the height of mediocrity as a DJ.
I still stand by my defence of him as a producer and I'm honestly quite surprised that you don't like Without You. I would've thought most people who like their cheesy vocal hardcore would be digging it, like me.
Like cheesy vocal hardcore, yet doesn't like Pretty Rave Girl. lol ok
All the solo tracks you previously mentioned are ok, but they're average at best and won't be tracks you'll fondly remember years from now, or hell even months from now.
I've never had the "luxury" of hearing him play solo (which so far I'm thankful for that) but one of the best examples of how awful he is as a DJ can go back to this set.
This from last year's HTID In The Sun, the final set of the event. For a final set, it is horrendous, especially the ending. And especially compared to the set Sy gave us in 2012. Sy knew how to properly end such an event, and Klubfiller did not at all.
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Elliott Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,147 posts Joined: May, 2012
Posted - 2014/09/29 : 20:08:21
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
quote:Originally posted by Elliott:
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
quote:Originally posted by Elliott:
If Klubfiller is so shit, how does he get so much action with Re-Con and Gammer? Neither of those guys would have to go anywhere near a producer they didn't want to.
Let's look at some of his solo work: Make It Right, Own Groove, Without You and Coming Home are all bangers. Some of them are even real hardcore tunes. In the collab stakes he has Future Fuzz, Late Night, Good For Me, Phantom 7, Halfway There, Closer and Guiding Light (I don't care what anyone says, I think it's great :P). He has had a hand in some brilliant tracks over the years.
I'm taking a stand against all the Klubfiller hate. The only regrettable things he does are post shitty mashups and overuse the same sounds. He can do whatever he wants as long as he puts out the occasional decent real hardcore track. The scene is still better for having him even if his track record is less than exemplary.
I just think that Klubfiller is really good at networking and promoting/marketing himself, hence all the collabs and sets at big events. He has the liverpool connection with re-con and squad-e. Imo the only decent tunes he's ever had have been collabs. He must bring something to the table but honestly I don't know what - musically he's very limited.
All of the solo tracks you mention are at best mediocre IMO, no more than set fillers (could be a new name for him in there actually!)
Also you say that one of the regrettable things he does is post shitty mashups - His sets mainly consist of these shitty mashups. One of his latest ones is Darren styles 'never forget you, with the accapella of Wonderwall by oasis over it. Don't think I'm alone in surmising that these mashups are a mere cover-up for a lack of talent.
To be completely honest, I've never heard him play out. Maybe if I did, I'd have a different opinion on him (as a DJ, at least). Plenty of producers suck as DJs though. Styles comes to mind as the height of mediocrity as a DJ.
I still stand by my defence of him as a producer and I'm honestly quite surprised that you don't like Without You. I would've thought most people who like their cheesy vocal hardcore would be digging it, like me.
Like cheesy vocal hardcore, yet doesn't like Pretty Rave Girl. lol ok
All the solo tracks you previously mentioned are ok, but they're average at best and won't be tracks you'll fondly remember years from now, or hell even months from now.
I've never had the "luxury" of hearing him play solo (which so far I'm thankful for that) but one of the best examples of how awful he is as a DJ can go back to this set.
This from last year's HTID In The Sun, the final set of the event. For a final set, it is horrendous, especially the ending. And especially compared to the set Sy gave us in 2012. Sy knew how to properly end such an event, and Klubfiller did not at all.
Pretty Rave Girl crosses the line into embarrassing and cringeworthy territory.
I listened to the set. He comes across as a poor man's Gammer wannabe. Nothing wrong with the tracklist imo though, just the technical aspects. He seems to mix a broad spectrum of artists and labels which could be cool if he refined his technique a bit.
If Klubfiller is really that bad, I guess I must just be blind to it for some reason.
Anyway, I'm surprised you humoured that rollwivaswagger cnut in the video comments. Remarks like "93-98 were amazin for hardcore then it gradually plummeted. ppl like styles, breeze and hixxy, recon destroyed the whole scene" told me all I needed to know about him and his knowledge of hardcore.
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