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djDMS
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 2014/12/11 : 23:22:30
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Originally posted by _Jay_:
Ha ha! I'm not angry! At all!
The way I'm imagining you saying it you are.
Dog food pizza anyone?
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Captain Triceps
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 2014/12/12 : 00:15:29
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Originally posted by Raging:
hardcore isn't what it used to be id say about 2008-9 onwards it started going downhill(for me anyway,07 and before is the sweet spot for me)
theres good tracks still being made dont get me wrong but the sounds quite different,not like the older stuff you know the original hardcore,the piano's the synths and melodies with the kick ass vocals and beats more originality and love for the music.
i mix mostly stuff from 2003-8 with a few newer tracks here and there as i come across ones i like which is becoming less frequent these days,dont really listen to the big names anymore apart from the classics you know(na na na,let it go,i adore,freedom etc that type of stuff)
i also think commercialism and things becoming mainstream kill stuff,i would love for hardcore the get more publicity and be bigger movement but if it gets too big and commercial it will kill it as it does everything imo,plus part of the movement is its different its unique that undergroud-ness is partly what makes the scene though?.
but yeah he makes complete sense pretty much.
cheers.
You've been a member since 2006 yet you're still a "starting member". Just more elitism within the scene. How long must a man post before he is considered 'advanced member'? A few regular posters need to step down and make way for folk like you.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2014/12/12 : 00:16:40
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Originally posted by Raging:
hardcore isn't what it used to be id say about 2008-9 onwards it started going downhill(for me anyway,07 and before is the sweet spot for me)
theres good tracks still being made dont get me wrong but the sounds quite different,not like the older stuff you know the original hardcore,the piano's the synths and melodies with the kick ass vocals and beats more originality and love for the music.
i mix mostly stuff from 2003-8 with a few newer tracks here and there as i come across ones i like which is becoming less frequent these days,dont really listen to the big names anymore apart from the classics you know(na na na,let it go,i adore,freedom etc that type of stuff)
i also think commercialism and things becoming mainstream kill stuff,i would love for hardcore the get more publicity and be bigger movement but if it gets too big and commercial it will kill it as it does everything imo,plus part of the movement is its different its unique that undergroud-ness is partly what makes the scene though?.
but yeah he makes complete sense pretty much.
cheers.
I agree. 2003-08 was my favourite period as well but I think things stayed pretty tolerable right up until about 2012.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2014/12/12 : 00:17:46
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Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
quote:
Originally posted by Raging:
hardcore isn't what it used to be id say about 2008-9 onwards it started going downhill(for me anyway,07 and before is the sweet spot for me)
theres good tracks still being made dont get me wrong but the sounds quite different,not like the older stuff you know the original hardcore,the piano's the synths and melodies with the kick ass vocals and beats more originality and love for the music.
i mix mostly stuff from 2003-8 with a few newer tracks here and there as i come across ones i like which is becoming less frequent these days,dont really listen to the big names anymore apart from the classics you know(na na na,let it go,i adore,freedom etc that type of stuff)
i also think commercialism and things becoming mainstream kill stuff,i would love for hardcore the get more publicity and be bigger movement but if it gets too big and commercial it will kill it as it does everything imo,plus part of the movement is its different its unique that undergroud-ness is partly what makes the scene though?.
but yeah he makes complete sense pretty much.
cheers.
You've been a member since 2006 yet you're still a "starting member". Just more elitism within the scene. How long must a man post before he is considered 'advanced member'? A few regular posters need to step down and make way for folk like you.
He'll be given a Best Breakthrough award before long.
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Raging
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Posted - 2014/12/12 : 01:20:09
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Originally posted by Elliott:
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Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
quote:
Originally posted by Raging:
hardcore isn't what it used to be id say about 2008-9 onwards it started going downhill(for me anyway,07 and before is the sweet spot for me)
theres good tracks still being made dont get me wrong but the sounds quite different,not like the older stuff you know the original hardcore,the piano's the synths and melodies with the kick ass vocals and beats more originality and love for the music.
i mix mostly stuff from 2003-8 with a few newer tracks here and there as i come across ones i like which is becoming less frequent these days,dont really listen to the big names anymore apart from the classics you know(na na na,let it go,i adore,freedom etc that type of stuff)
i also think commercialism and things becoming mainstream kill stuff,i would love for hardcore the get more publicity and be bigger movement but if it gets too big and commercial it will kill it as it does everything imo,plus part of the movement is its different its unique that undergroud-ness is partly what makes the scene though?.
but yeah he makes complete sense pretty much.
cheers.
You've been a member since 2006 yet you're still a "starting member". Just more elitism within the scene. How long must a man post before he is considered 'advanced member'? A few regular posters need to step down and make way for folk like you.
He'll be given a Best Breakthrough award before long.
LOL guys
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djDMS
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Posted - 2014/12/12 : 08:47:28
I'm reducing the length of my posts to give newer members more space.
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2014/12/12 : 10:13:03
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Originally posted by djDMS:
I'm reducing the length of my posts to give newer members more space.
I'm going to open a few different accounts so I'm not saturating the forum with one user name.
Secretly, of course.
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Maggers
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Posted - 2014/12/12 : 14:53:27
I think it's a smart post. I don't know that it will change anything though because those are mainly things that have been said for a long time.
Based on how insular things seem to be in the UK I also think Hardcore needs to use the global marketplace to expand to new areas. My friends in India have loved the music I've shared with them. Dance music is huge in places like Bangalore - when we'd have 1000 people at an event for the same artists (usually trance), they'll have 50k. Hardcore needs to start joining in on emerging markets!
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2014/12/12 : 17:59:59
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Originally posted by djDMS:
I'm reducing the length of my posts to give newer members more space.
To do that, then the site will die!
Seriously though, if the majority of the regulars here cut back most of their posting all at once, this forum will be severely dead.
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oxis
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Portugal
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Posted - 2014/12/13 : 16:43:35
good read. nothing nobody hasnt said before but true. it reminded me of FW, i think its a label that is a bit too elite and isolated from colaboration with other people and different stuff, without realising that hardcore is not that big of a deal, and it cant afford having its biggest artists not talk to eachother because "muh elitism". while i dont think they are completely terrible, they could benefit from relationships with other artists and trying out new things. people want different sounding stuff (although they certainly wouldnt enjoy if hardcore took a 90 degree turn into something else). i seriously think that feedback towards dubcore and electrocore (or whatever it is called now) wouldnt have been so bad if it wasnt what popular music in general sounds like. what i mean is, i dont believe people wouldnt have disliked it if it wasnt what the top 100 beatport sounds like (not literally, just the plastic, compressed kick sound and bass sound).
i am aware that obviously there are people who dont care about what is popular and just dont like electrocore because they think its bad, i myself identify with those, and i am not saying that electrocore should be praised or should disappear, because it could very well open doors to better styles. but the general dislike for this new style, while a bit of an unfair generalization, is completely justifiable by the fact that artists decided to take hardcore to the most generic and plastic sounding route. sounding like plastic doesnt make it necessarily bad, but it is another restriction that makes it harder for tracks to sound different from eachother, and i think that having everything sound the same is worse than having everything sound mediocre.
im pretty sure i made a post a while ago on this subject that contradicts this one a bit, since i was so willing to defend that you cant criticize new stuff just because it sounds generic, but i changed my mind lol. i can see how it would be fair to say that doing something like that is bad
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rafferty
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Posted - 2014/12/14 : 07:42:03
Hardcore just needs to keep looking forward and stop looking at the fookin past. The days of Cheesey trance style tracks sped up to 170bpm of the 2000s era should continue to be left behind.
Has been done way too much and plain boring. No point continuing to do something that has been done to death.
Hardcore continuing to get influences from Hardstyle and EDM is definitely the way forward. Is fresh, still uplifting and is moving ahead with the rest of the dance scene.
You don't see guys like Tiesto playing the same sound they did 10 years ago and neither should Hardcore djs and producers.
The past is the past, lets not stay there and stay stuck in the hasbeen era of Hardcore music. I was listening to Hardcore in the 90s and older than some of these people that want to keep hardcore the same as 2005.
Some people are carrying on like they are over a hundred years old "yes it was so much better in the old days when horse and cart was around and hardcore used strings"..
Let the scene progress and not go stale and just die off from sounding the same as it used to.
Man I see these young ravers going hard to guys like Joey Riot, Mob, Recon, Alex Prospect, Klubfiller and the new sound Darren Styles plays and think fark yeah!!!. Good to see the next generation of ravers continuing to go hard and still loving their hardcore!!! That the way it should be instead of moaning about the past!!!
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brodster
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Posted - 2014/12/14 : 21:53:00
I think we need to stop shitting on eachother's opinions and make/buy/play/support the kind of hardcore we like and not pander to what other people want. That's what this scene needs to do.
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Samination
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Posted - 2014/12/15 : 06:16:50
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Originally posted by brodster:
I think we need to stop shitting on eachother's opinions and make/buy/play/support the kind of hardcore we like and not pander to what other people want. That's what this scene needs to do.
That would be great, if the kind I like would appear as singles :P
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DJ_FunDaBounce
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Posted - 2014/12/15 : 17:56:06
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Originally posted by brodster:
I think we need to stop shitting on eachother's opinions and make/buy/play/support the kind of hardcore we like and not pander to what other people want. That's what this scene needs to do.
I second that! If we all did at least one of these things!
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RMC
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Posted - 2014/12/16 : 02:09:52
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Originally posted by brodster:
I think we need to stop shitting on eachother's opinions and make/buy/play/support the kind of hardcore we like and not pander to what other people want. That's what this scene needs to do.
My thoughts exactly. There's a lot of different styles to discover and there's also a lot of music from the past to keep on listening to.
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