Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,504 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2015/01/30 : 12:19:43
quote:?Better technology for producing music and better technology for playing that music back makes it a whole new experience compared to how it was in the not so distant past. I remember listening to brand new songs years ago and they sounded ground breaking. The bass was powerful and everything was crisp. Listening to those same songs today the bass is a joke and everything is muffled compared to today?s productions. It?s amazing how far things have come. I can?t wait to see what?s next. Something crazy like like 4D sound or something???
So the old sounds, built for the sound systems don't sound so good anymore compared to new sounds?
ninja edit New Member
Spain
51 posts Joined: Aug, 2014
Posted - 2015/01/30 : 12:35:35
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:?Better technology for producing music and better technology for playing that music back makes it a whole new experience compared to how it was in the not so distant past. I remember listening to brand new songs years ago and they sounded ground breaking. The bass was powerful and everything was crisp. Listening to those same songs today the bass is a joke and everything is muffled compared to today?s productions. It?s amazing how far things have come. I can?t wait to see what?s next. Something crazy like like 4D sound or something???
So the old sounds, built for the sound systems don't sound so good anymore compared to new sounds?
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,235 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2015/01/30 : 12:53:21
quote:Originally posted by ninja edit:
I prefer his old style like this
I prefer his even older tracks, like the original version of Transformers
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The Dopeman Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,393 posts Joined: Aug, 2005
Posted - 2015/01/30 : 15:29:44
?I was going to say ?the DJ/producers? for this one but I think supply and demand dictates who becomes a famous DJ. Today producers have been getting famous for literally drag/drop/copy/pasting tracks together. In the past if someone tried that they would not have been taken very seriously by fans. Originality and having your own sound was key to being successful but now it seems the opposite. I guess fans today like what they like and they want more of the same???
that's true
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latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2015/01/30 : 16:27:06
"Today producers have been getting famous for literally drag/drop/copy/pasting tracks together. In the past if someone tried that they would not have been taken very seriously by fans. Originality and having your own sound was key to being successful but now it seems the opposite."
lol that's pretty much him in a nutshell. He really only became famous for one song and copied that sound throughout his career, even today you can still hear some elements of Pretty Rave Girl in some of his newer tracks. His sound doesn't ever change and he's really the only one who does it. The same thing goes for Scott Brown you can tell a Scott Brown track because there is a unique sound to his tracks, and he's still very popular. Both of them just managed to market themselves well with their signature sound.
Have to admit the whole thing just struck a nerve with me, a lot of it seems like a bunch of shit he wrote while on a high of god knows what he uses.
Elliott Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,147 posts Joined: May, 2012
Posted - 2015/01/30 : 17:52:35
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
"Today producers have been getting famous for literally drag/drop/copy/pasting tracks together. In the past if someone tried that they would not have been taken very seriously by fans. Originality and having your own sound was key to being successful but now it seems the opposite."
lol that's pretty much him in a nutshell. He really only became famous for one song and copied that sound throughout his career, even today you can still hear some elements of Pretty Rave Girl in some of his newer tracks. His sound doesn't ever change and he's really the only one who does it. The same thing goes for Scott Brown you can tell a Scott Brown track because there is a unique sound to his tracks, and he's still very popular. Both of them just managed to market themselves well with their signature sound.
Have to admit the whole thing just struck a nerve with me, a lot of it seems like a bunch of shit he wrote while on a high of god knows what he uses.
His personality doesn't grate on me as much as his music but I agree with everything you said.
Everything he said in that article ranges from disagreeable to blatantly obvious.
I still want my 5 minutes back (plus interest for the additional time I've now spent discussing what he wrote).
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Mansy Senior Member
United Kingdom
429 posts Joined: Feb, 2007
Posted - 2015/01/31 : 11:01:32
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
lol that's pretty much him in a nutshell. He really only became famous for one song and copied that sound throughout his career, even today you can still hear some elements of Pretty Rave Girl in some of his newer tracks. His sound doesn't ever change and he's really the only one who does it. The same thing goes for Scott Brown you can tell a Scott Brown track because there is a unique sound to his tracks, and he's still very popular. Both of them just managed to market themselves well with their signature sound..
That has been the way for scott brown but it works and no one seems to be phased by it. If he suddenly changed his sound i think he would lose his edge.
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,235 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2015/01/31 : 13:06:23
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
As much as I like a lot of his stuff, S3RL appears to know shite all about the dance scene.
Unless Dance music in australia is just like the hardcore scene... but then aint he the guy who doesnt want to be "limited" by being a genre-guy? :P
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Ken Masters Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,447 posts Joined: Feb, 2007
Posted - 2015/01/31 : 16:37:49
quote:Originally posted by latininxtc:
"The same thing goes for Scott Brown you can tell a Scott Brown track because there is a unique sound to his tracks, and he's still very popular. Both of them just managed to market themselves well with their signature sound.
I may be missing the point but you can hardly label Scott Brown and S3rl as handling their business in a similar way. Scott Brown may have his own sound but he's also created styles & techniques.
He's reinvented hardcore a few times now, & from very little influence surrounding him. He's a true creator, & just because he creates a "sound" or feeling throughout his tracks, the sheer diversity of it all is mind blowing. To create such original ideas time & time again is why he's worshipped by hardcore producers the world over. The more you learn the production trade, the more you realise how monumental his inputs have been throughout the years.
As for any producer creating a "sound", this has to be seriously respected in todays generic scene. The majority of people approach production trying to replicate in a bid to learn from others, I do it myself. But that doesn't mean creating your own sound is an easy thing! To be able to listen to a track & instantly recognise who produced it is a serious talent in my opinion & is what separates the top producers from the talented middlemen.
Listening to tracks from Scott Brown, Gammer, Darwin & the likes, & recognising their work without seeing the track name is what makes these guys a cut above the rest.
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Alert moderatorEdited by - Ken Masters on 2015/01/31 16:41:29
Posted - 2015/02/04 : 17:03:49
What a moaning ****! If he feels like that about the "Rave" scene then he should stop producing.
Dance music has been very commercialised but I wouldn't say hardcore has made it's way into pop music, or not the stuff I listen too!
His point about the dj's/producers copy and pasting I would say is true for some of the EDM producers like Avicii etc but certainly not in the UK hardcore scene, for instance the lethal theory boys work their arses off coming up with new sounds, producing their own vocals, orginals etc.
As for his comment about the drugs.. Wherever there's any sort of dance music there's gonna be people taking drugs. They were as readily available then as they are now. You just have to watch the videos on youtube.. Every single person would be chewing like mad, eyes pinging and pulling faces. Nowadays not everyones like that.. Wherever there's dance music there will be drugs.
Surley it can only be a good thing that some electronic music has become more commercial? More fans which equals more money for the people making the music.
I think he's a bit pissed cause he's no where near as popular as he once was, but what does he expect? He's still producing the same "S3rl" sounding songs. Things need to change and progress to keep the scene alive. If everyone produced the same sounding music for all those years.. hardcore would be dead.
Complete and utter hypocrite he was the man who tried to bring pop music to hardcore with his remix of Viva Forever by the Spice Girls!!
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,235 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2015/02/04 : 18:09:33
quote:Originally posted by bazzaboiii:
What a moaning ****! If he feels like that about the "Rave" scene then he should stop producing.
Dance music has been very commercialised but I wouldn't say hardcore has made it's way into pop music, or not the stuff I listen too!
His point about the dj's/producers copy and pasting I would say is true for some of the EDM producers like Avicii etc but certainly not in the UK hardcore scene, for instance the lethal theory boys work their arses off coming up with new sounds, producing their own vocals, orginals etc.
As for his comment about the drugs.. Wherever there's any sort of dance music there's gonna be people taking drugs. They were as readily available then as they are now. You just have to watch the videos on youtube.. Every single person would be chewing like mad, eyes pinging and pulling faces. Nowadays not everyones like that.. Wherever there's dance music there will be drugs.
Surley it can only be a good thing that some electronic music has become more commercial? More fans which equals more money for the people making the music.
I think he's a bit pissed cause he's no where near as popular as he once was, but what does he expect? He's still producing the same "S3rl" sounding songs. Things need to change and progress to keep the scene alive. If everyone produced the same sounding music for all those years.. hardcore would be dead.
Complete and utter hypocrite he was the man who tried to bring pop music to hardcore with his remix of Viva Forever by the Spice Girls!!
I'm all for making new styles, but it should have stayed at "powerbounce". All the tracks on the Powerstomp album sounded way to similar to each other imo and I ended up disliking the whole thing because of it.
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quote:Originally posted by bazzaboiii:
What a moaning ****! If he feels like that about the "Rave" scene then he should stop producing.
Dance music has been very commercialised but I wouldn't say hardcore has made it's way into pop music, or not the stuff I listen too!
His point about the dj's/producers copy and pasting I would say is true for some of the EDM producers like Avicii etc but certainly not in the UK hardcore scene, for instance the lethal theory boys work their arses off coming up with new sounds, producing their own vocals, orginals etc.
As for his comment about the drugs.. Wherever there's any sort of dance music there's gonna be people taking drugs. They were as readily available then as they are now. You just have to watch the videos on youtube.. Every single person would be chewing like mad, eyes pinging and pulling faces. Nowadays not everyones like that.. Wherever there's dance music there will be drugs.
Surley it can only be a good thing that some electronic music has become more commercial? More fans which equals more money for the people making the music.
I think he's a bit pissed cause he's no where near as popular as he once was, but what does he expect? He's still producing the same "S3rl" sounding songs. Things need to change and progress to keep the scene alive. If everyone produced the same sounding music for all those years.. hardcore would be dead.
Complete and utter hypocrite he was the man who tried to bring pop music to hardcore with his remix of Viva Forever by the Spice Girls!!
I'm all for making new styles, but it should have stayed at "powerbounce". All the tracks on the Powerstomp album sounded way to similar to each other imo and I ended up disliking the whole thing because of it.
Each to their own buddy different strokes for different folks and all that. But there's a lot of ravers who are enjoying it. And it's good to see that happening keeping the scene alive. Too many producers think it's ok to stick to the same thing.
Joey and Kurts got a good response from the crowd so they gave them more of what they wanted it's also benfited other producers, for example Riko who now has his own label, MOTN deejays.. and fresh talents being signed up from over the world. Which can only be a good thing for the future.
ViolonC Average Member
Germany
243 posts Joined: Sep, 2014
Posted - 2015/02/05 : 04:48:59
Powerstomp is a good example where something new and innovative quickly turned into copy&paste. Unless you really really like the sound the over and over repackaging of old vocals and melodies starts to get annoying. And a lot of producers seem to favor a big disconnect between breakdown and drop like in "bigroom house". Thus making repackaging even more easy.
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