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Elliott
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 Posted - 2015/03/25 : 18:14:41
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Originally posted by wong:
yeah cus hhc.com's the root of all of hardcore's shitness
I know. It amazes me that some of the producers act like we're some hateful force for evil in the hardcore scene.
Firstly, we're a tiny group and we can't achieve anything. Secondly, we're the real die-hard fans who love hardcore enough to sit around and discuss it -- we're hardly "haters".
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The drunken scotsman
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Posted - 2015/03/25 : 18:30:42
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ok yea I see it now. lol C.Kay. There's a guy whose opinion holds little to no value to me.
Think he must have missed the irony in his post given that he too posts or has posted on hhc.com in recent times.
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djDMS
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Posted - 2015/03/25 : 18:34:14
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Originally posted by Elliott:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
I don't understand the need to bring it to everybody's attention just so 30 people can turn round and say 'what a c***' or 'I'd like to see him do better'.
Criticism should be welcomed. Holds a lot more weight than arse licking every little thing somebody does.
Gammer is one of the all time greats as far as I'm concerned but no way would I pretend I like all his tunes just because it goes along with popular opinion.
What do you think of his productions over the last few years? Were you impressed by Pigface? :P
I actually like a lot of the more recent stuff he's done. Yes, there's plenty that I've listened to the preview and been disappointed but I wouldn't knock him for trying to be different. The 'novelty' stuff should be taken with a pinch of salt.
I have no idea what sales figures might be like for his 'less well received' stuff, for all we know they could be selling shitloads and those of us of the 'please stop letting EDM/big room house influence everything' persuasion might be totally wrong!
Oh, and as for your comment that started all this in the first place. Valid points, poorly delivered ;-)
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Elliott
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Posted - 2015/03/25 : 18:38:14
Arpz and Dean and perhaps others, thanks for the articulate and considered comments on that status. I appreciate the support. Although you guys make by far the most sense of any of the comments I've read on there and are actually capable of thinking for yourselves, I'm not worried about this at all. It's genuinely amusing. I'm not upset by Gammer's actions. I'm enjoying my 5 minutes of infamy.
Gammer says jump and these morons say "how high?" and it's not even Gammer's fault. There's an epidemic of blindly following along with people of dubious standing and defending their every move just because you like some aspect of what they do. But it's easy to ignore because you tend to think of them as braindead arse lickers.
I like this forum because that shit doesn't happen here. We give our honest opinions about everything - with many of us trying to emphasise the positives - and don't blindly follow anyone. I assume that is why the FW crowd have always had a problem with this forum. This is a place where you can actually say that a track is not up to a producer's usual standards and not get jumped on. They presumably don't like that sort of criticism and demonise us for it.
In conclusion, this is a pretty cool place and also the Gammer stuff is just a bit of a side-show.
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trippnface
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Posted - 2015/03/25 : 18:41:23
kanye west for life
lol
trap on Gammer. trap on.
making it so hard to ever want to see him again..
got a show coming up with dougal but i just don't know if it will even be worth my time.
maybe if dougal tells him whatsup... and they play uk hardcore classics...
otherwise i will definitely stay at home and have a better time.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2015/03/25 : 18:44:18
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Originally posted by djDMS:
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Originally posted by Elliott:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
I don't understand the need to bring it to everybody's attention just so 30 people can turn round and say 'what a c***' or 'I'd like to see him do better'.
Criticism should be welcomed. Holds a lot more weight than arse licking every little thing somebody does.
Gammer is one of the all time greats as far as I'm concerned but no way would I pretend I like all his tunes just because it goes along with popular opinion.
What do you think of his productions over the last few years? Were you impressed by Pigface? :P
I actually like a lot of the more recent stuff he's done. Yes, there's plenty that I've listened to the preview and been disappointed but I wouldn't knock him for trying to be different. The 'novelty' stuff should be taken with a pinch of salt.
I have no idea what sales figures might be like for his 'less well received' stuff, for all we know they could be selling shitloads and those of us of the 'please stop letting EDM/big room house influence everything' persuasion might be totally wrong!
Oh, and as for your comment that started all this in the first place. Valid points, poorly delivered ;-)
I think their big room house thing is probably going well for them. It's disappointing for us because we don't like it but the fact that it's successful doesn't make us wrong!
I agree mate. It was actually supposed to be stupid and not something that would be taken seriously (hence the wording). It was just a joke comment with a grain of truth embedded in it. The silly side of it has just been completely lost on the people who are actually getting angry.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2015/03/25 : 18:45:56
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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
ok yea I see it now. lol C.Kay. There's a guy whose opinion holds little to no value to me.
Think he must have missed the irony in his post given that he too posts or has posted on hhc.com in recent times.
I think he got bored of the FW "haters" (i.e. people with legitimate criticism and concerns about FW) and left.
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Posted - 2015/03/25 : 18:48:15
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Originally posted by djDMS:
I don't understand the need to bring it to everybody's attention just so 30 people can turn round and say 'what a c***' or 'I'd like to see him do better'.
Criticism should be welcomed. Holds a lot more weight than arse licking every little thing somebody does.
Gammer is one of the all time greats as far as I'm concerned but no way would I pretend I like all his tunes just because it goes along with popular opinion.
criticism is great, vague criticism is awful
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Elliott
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Posted - 2015/03/25 : 18:51:17
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Originally posted by oxis:
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Originally posted by djDMS:
I don't understand the need to bring it to everybody's attention just so 30 people can turn round and say 'what a c***' or 'I'd like to see him do better'.
Criticism should be welcomed. Holds a lot more weight than arse licking every little thing somebody does.
Gammer is one of the all time greats as far as I'm concerned but no way would I pretend I like all his tunes just because it goes along with popular opinion.
criticism is great, vague criticism is awful
In my defence, I don't even know how you would turn Pigface into something that I would want to listen to. Scrap the whole thing and start again, I suppose. It's hard to give specific criticism.
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SparkzMusic
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Posted - 2015/03/25 : 18:51:24
Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I believe this forum is filled with perhaps the most knowledgeable people anywhere regarding UK Hardcore. What do die hard hardcore fans do?? Simple... They join a forum. So here there's many people who have been into it since the start back in the early 90's.
Peoples tastes can be different. In my opinion, everything being made by the top tier core artists these days is utter dogs mess and the stuff they made 5+ years ago was so much better. However some people may like the modern tripe which is entirely up to them.
A lot of it is down to long term fans being disappointed. Take Hixxy for example. What if a fan first heard his sets/music back in 1995 when they were a teenager. They looked up to that artist, bought all his vinyl/album/tape pack releases, went to all the raves where he played, supported him and his production/mixing for 14 years. Then he decides to change his entire production style and his tracks stop sounding like hardcore at all. It's not easy for that fan to go off that artist or even admit that his new stuff is sh!t. They may still listen to Hixxy's next load of tracks though in the hope it goes back to the way it was.
Fans can have an opinion but anything negative should be taken on the chin. The problem is when top tier artists openly start trying to "name and shame" people or mention a negative comment publicly because they know that a lot of the backside licking fans will instantly start attacking whoever has expressed dislike of that artist's work.
I had that myself once before. Not going to name names but it was over a free album a few years ago. I was asking a top tier artist about prices to do a remix for a free album. They quoted a stupidly high figure. I explained it was for a free download album and asked if it could be done for a bit less. They started getting snotty with me. Anyway, I told someone else what a ripoff that price was (because it is). Next thing I know i'm getting messages from this top tier having a go at me.
They even made a status twisting the truth claiming I had asked them to do a remix for free. Within minutes the backside lickers came out in force, demanding I be named and shamed. When the name of the free album series was posted, both myself and others involved with the album were slated and even sent a batch of quite threatening inbox messages. Not 1 person said "hang on a minute, did it really happen like that?"
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wong
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Posted - 2015/03/25 : 18:56:35
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Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
I had that myself once before. Not going to name names but it was over a free album a few years ago. I was asking a top tier artist about prices to do a remix for a free album.
that's gotta be breeze .....?
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Elliott
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Posted - 2015/03/25 : 18:58:29
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Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I believe this forum is filled with perhaps the most knowledgeable people anywhere regarding UK Hardcore. What do die hard hardcore fans do?? Simple... They join a forum. So here there's many people who have been into it since the start back in the early 90's.
Peoples tastes can be different. In my opinion, everything being made by the top tier core artists these days is utter dogs mess and the stuff they made 5+ years ago was so much better. However some people may like the modern tripe which is entirely up to them.
A lot of it is down to long term fans being disappointed. Take Hixxy for example. What if a fan first heard his sets/music back in 1995 when they were a teenager. They looked up to that artist, bought all his vinyl/album/tape pack releases, went to all the raves where he played, supported him and his production/mixing for 14 years. Then he decides to change his entire production style and his tracks stop sounding like hardcore at all. It's not easy for that fan to go off that artist or even admit that his new stuff is sh!t. They may still listen to Hixxy's next load of tracks though in the hope it goes back to the way it was.
Fans can have an opinion but anything negative should be taken on the chin. The problem is when top tier artists openly start trying to "name and shame" people or mention a negative comment publicly because they know that a lot of the backside licking fans will instantly start attacking whoever has expressed dislike of that artist's work.
I had that myself once before. Not going to name names but it was over a free album a few years ago. I was asking a top tier artist about prices to do a remix for a free album. They quoted a stupidly high figure. I explained it was for a free download album and asked if it could be done for a bit less. They started getting snotty with me. Anyway, I told someone else what a ripoff that price was (because it is). Next thing I know i'm getting messages from this top tier having a go at me.
They even made a status twisting the truth claiming I had asked them to do a remix for free. Within minutes the backside lickers came out in force, demanding I be named and shamed. When the name of the free album series was posted, both myself and others involved with the album were slated and even sent a batch of quite threatening inbox messages. Not 1 person said "hang on a minute, did it really happen like that?"
Brilliant post. Thanks for telling that story. I think you would be well within your rights to name and shame the artist here but I completely understand if you don't want to. It's disgusting behaviour.
Well said regarding the state of the top tier though!
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Posted - 2015/03/25 : 19:06:12
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Originally posted by Elliott:
In my defence, I don't even know how you would turn Pigface into something that I would want to listen to. Scrap the whole thing and start again, I suppose. It's hard to give specific criticism.
i always thought one should be polite when criticizing, and if he isn't then he should at least be helpful. this whole thing is really not as relevant or important as it seems (gammer sure has way bigger things to worry about for sure, and his response to the comment was already pretty humorous and peaceful), but now that we are in a thread specifically dedicated to that one thing i might aswell say that i think it is an incorrect attitude to say something is shit with no fundament whatsoever :L
especially if it is public and not a private message, because then the subject is either forced to ignore it publicly or give a response that can be judged by everyone. but like i mentioned, the man handled it with a lot of humour and i actually laughed at it
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Posted - 2015/03/25 : 19:08:02
I remember when all that happened! Something like ?500 for a track for the free album, if I remember correctly?
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Elliott
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Posted - 2015/03/25 : 19:11:54
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Originally posted by Elliott:
In my defence, I don't even know how you would turn Pigface into something that I would want to listen to. Scrap the whole thing and start again, I suppose. It's hard to give specific criticism.
i always thought one should be polite when criticizing, and if he isn't then he should at least be helpful. this whole thing is really not as relevant or important as it seems (gammer sure has way bigger things to worry about for sure, and his response to the comment was already pretty humorous and peaceful), but now that we are in a thread specifically dedicated to that one thing i might aswell say that i think it is an incorrect attitude to say something is shit with no fundament whatsoever :L
especially if it is public and not a private message, because then the subject is either forced to ignore it publicly or give a response that can be judged by everyone. but like i mentioned, the man handled it with a lot of humour and i actually laughed at it
I'm not complaining about Gammer's response. I've already said I don't mind.
I'm within my rights to say it's shit with no justification and he's within his rights to respond the way he did. No harm done.
I don't think anyone really thinks this is a massive deal. You're right, it's funny.
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