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 Posted - 2003/03/22 : 20:14:44
hahahaha
ive got a very openmind, trust me ;)
all i said was that france likes to go opposite of everything. and i never said i like how the US is handling things, because i dont.
so why dont you quit making assumptions.
and as for the US breaking international law, we are only doing that becasue the UN is a joke and does not uphold its laws. iraq has been breaking international laws for years, and threatening the world... i think we have got a pretty ****ing good reason to try to get saddam out of power.
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Posted - 2003/03/22 : 20:50:19
I didn't read the whole tread posted, cause I'll get too angry and therefore wouldn't think straight.
I'm all up for getting saddam out of power. But I don't think this war, even though if succesful in getting saddam out of power, it would make this moslims-hating-americans trend even more greater. Producing therefore more bin ladens or whatever.
And I still don't see the necesity of war for this matter, happening so abruptly in a short span of time. Not even thinkin that there are many countries depending on them economicly *Like some little countries in the caribbean*. Speakin from what I see happening on my island we solely depend on tourism (for 80% being from the US), now there's like this super downfall of visitors cause of this stupid war and now water and electricity increased by 10% and now gas increased too (but thank god my car is diesel)....ok, had to get that out.
Now we feel very safe though being far away from iraq and the US help protect us(so, I can't complain) cause we have a rafinery of the US, so it's kinda target too(hopefully not).
But this Venezuelan president "Chavez" is trying to make Ven. comunism...and clearly has connection with saddam, cause last month some iraquis came to Ven. by plane, offcourse they landed here 1st so we sended them straight back.
And saddam is trying to reclute some venezuelans to University of Saddam, so whomever applies gets insurance, schooling, hospitals, everything paid still they have to learn the religion as a condicion.....So my advice is that there danger close *just a feeling*
As for the boycotting everything french....never heard anyting more stupid!
If it wasn't for the french there would be some words missing in the english vocabulary.
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Posted - 2003/03/22 : 21:59:11
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As for the boycotting everything french....never heard anyting more stupid!
If it wasn't for the french there would be some words missing in the english vocabulary.
I'm 41,47727272727273 % insane!!!
It's not even just that, I mean, even if there was a good reason for french hating, what the hell is changing french fries to freedom fries gonna do?!?!? It's just so childish that it blows my mind everytime I think about. It really angers me that the people that are paid with my tax money have time to think about such trivial things. It angers me even more that people actually buy into this kind of thing. When I see that, I am insulted as an American and a member of the human race. It's just so pointless.
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Posted - 2003/03/22 : 22:39:23
^^ yup. most americans are idiots, so is humanity.
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Posted - 2003/03/23 : 03:15:13
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all i said was that france likes to go opposite of everything. and i never said i like how the US is handling things, because i dont.
well you did not back this statement up. france is currently doing the same thing as the rest of the world. they're opposite of the US that is true, but the US is not the majority. sadly for the bush administration, most of the world is against their agressive stance. therefore, i would like you to please back up your statement about the french doing the opposite of everything.
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so why dont you quit making assumptions.
umm... i didn't make any assumptions!? if you're referring to my comment "open your mind", then i make that assumption based on the fact that you seem to be repeating western media rhetoric, with none of your statements actually backed up with any arguments. people need to start living outside the world of cnn... what you see on your tv set is not what you should think - do your own research and make your own judgements.
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iraq has been breaking international laws for years, and threatening the world... i think we have got a pretty ****ing good reason to try to get saddam out of power.
and what international laws have they been breaking exactly? and why does anything give us the right to break them??? oh, i see, so if they do something wrong, that gives us the right to return the favor by doing something wrong to them?
and as for your disillusioned thought of iraq "threatening the world", you really need to stop listening to presidential speeches and start taking in the world around you. iraq hasn't threatened anyone, with the exception of the kurdish and kuwait. they didn't threaten the US, britain, australia, spain, france.... in fact you name the country - they didn't threaten it.
please do me a favour, if you're going to repeat what you hear on the tv or read in the tabloids, at least go out and find out if it's true before trying to argue with me about it.
as for thinking there is a reason to get saddam out of power - i agree with you entirely. saddam isn't a morally stable leader for a country. however, if you study the US's strategic and political patterns behind this war you will find that this motive has nothing to do with the reason of attack, and in no way justifies the mass murder and terrorisation of iraqi civilians.
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Posted - 2003/03/23 : 06:20:59
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if you study the US's strategic and political patterns behind this war you will find that this motive has nothing to do with the reason of attack, and in no way justifies the mass murder and terrorisation of iraqi civilians
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Posted - 2003/03/23 : 06:24:34
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sadly for the bush administration, most of the world is against their agressive stance. therefore, i would like you to please back up your statement about the french doing the opposite of everything.
Afghanistan
Albania
Australia
Azerbaijan
Bulgaria
Colombia
Czech Republic
Denmark
El Salvador
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Georgia
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Japan
South Korea
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
Netherlands
Nicaragua
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Singapore
Slovakia
Spain
Turkey
Britain
United States
Uzbekistan
+ 12 others that are undisclosed at the moment.
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umm... i didn't make any assumptions!? if you're referring to my comment "open your mind", then i make that assumption based on the fact that you seem to be repeating western media rhetoric, with none of your statements actually backed up with any arguments.
well then, yes you did make an assumption, didnt you? and no, i dont base everything off on cnn (another assumption). i watch multiple news broadcasts, and go to multiple internet news websites (inclding bbc.co.uk, which is probably the best for getting the -real- story about anything in the world.)
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iraq has been breaking international laws for years, and threatening the world... i think we have got a pretty ****ing good reason to try to get saddam out of power.
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and what international laws have they been breaking exactly?
Iran-Iraq war
1980 4 September - Iran shells Iraqi border towns (Iraq considers this as the start of the Iran/Iraq war).
1980 17 September - Iraq abrogates the 1975 treaty with Iran.
1980 22 September - Iraq attacks Iranian air bases.
1980 23 September - Iran bombs Iraqi military and economic targets.
1981 7 June - Israel attacks an Iraqi nuclear research centre at Tuwaythah near Baghdad.
Chemical attack on Kurds
1988 16 March - Iraq is said to have used chemical weapons against the Kurdish town of Halabjah.
Executed journalist: Bazoft
1988 20 August - A ceasefire comes into effect to be monitored by the UN Iran-Iraq Military Observer Group (UNIIMOG).
1990 15 March - Farzad Bazoft, an Iranian-born journalist with the London Observer newspaper, accused of spying on a military installation, is hanged in Baghdad.
Iraq invades Kuwait
1990 2 August - Iraq invades Kuwait and is condemned by United Nations Security Council (UNSC) Resolution 660 which calls for full withdrawal.
1990 6 August - UNSC Resolution 661 imposes economic sanctions on Iraq.
1990 8 August - Iraq announces the merger of Iraq and Kuwait.
Surrender: An Iraqi soldier confronted by Allied forces
1990 29 November - UNSC Resolution 678 authorizes the states cooperating with Kuwait to use "all necessary means" to uphold UNSC Resolution 660.
1991 16 -17 January - The Gulf War starts when the coalition forces begin aerial bombing of Iraq ("Operation Desert Storm").
1991 13 February - US planes destroy an air raid shelter at Amiriyah in Baghdad, killing over 300 people.
1991 24 February - The start of a ground operation which results in the liberation of Kuwait on 27 February.
Ceasefire
1991 3 March - Iraq accepts the terms of a ceasefire.
1991 Mid-March/early April - Iraqi forces suppress rebellions in the south and the north of the country.
1991 8 April - A plan for the establishment of a UN safe-haven in northern Iraq, north of latitude 36 degrees north, for the protection of the Kurds, is approved at a European Union meeting in Luxembourg. On 10 April, the USA orders Iraq to end all military activity in this area.
1992 26 August - A no-fly zone, excluding flights of Iraqi planes, is established in southern Iraq, south of latitude 32 degrees north.
War damage: The wreck of an Iraqi tank in Kuwait
1993 27 June - US forces launch a cruise missile attack on Iraqi intelligence headquarters in Al-Mansur district, Baghdad in retaliation for the attempted assassination of US President, George Bush, in Kuwait in April.
1994 29 May - Saddam Hussein becomes prime minister.
1994 10 November - The Iraqi National Assembly recognizes Kuwait's borders and its independence.
Oil-for-food
1995 14 April - UNSC Resolution 986 allows the partial resumption of Iraq's oil exports to buy food and medicine ( the "oil-for-food programme"). It is not accepted by Iraq until May 1996 and is not implemented until December 1996.
1995 August - Saddam Hussein's son-in-law, Gen Hussein Kamil Hasan al-Majid, Minister of Industry and Minerals, as well as Director of the Military Industrialization Organization (MIO), his brother, Saddam, and their families, leave Iraq and are granted asylum in Jordan.
1995 15 October - Saddam Hussein wins a referendum allowing him to remain president for another 7 years.
Pardoned son-in-law killed
1996 20 February - Hussein Kamil Hasan al-Majid and his brother, promised a pardon by Saddam Hussein, return to Baghdad and are killed on 23 February.
1996 31 August - In response to a call for aid from the KDP, Iraqi forces launch an offensive into the northern no-fly zone and capture of Arbil.
1996 3 September - The US extends the northern limit of the southern no-fly zone to latitude 33 degrees north, just south of Baghdad.
Anti-sanctions: Iraqi women protest
1996 12 December - Saddam Hussein's elder son, Uday, is seriously wounded in an assassination attempt in Baghdad's Al-Mansur district.
1998 31 October - Iraq ends all forms of cooperation with the UN Special Commission to Oversee the Destruction of Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction (Unscom).
1998 22 November - Izzat Ibrahim al-Duri, Vice-Chairman of the RCC, escapes an assassination attempt when visiting Karbala.
Operation Desert Fox
1998 16-19 December - After UN staff are evacuated from Baghdad, the USA and UK launch a bombing campaign, "Operation Desert Fox", to destroy Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programmes.
1999 4 January - Iraq asks the UN to replace its US and UK staff in Iraq.
1999 19 February - Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Muhammad Sadiq al-Sadr, spiritual leader of the Shi'i sect, is assassinated in Najaf.
1999 17 December - UNSC Resolution 1284 creates the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (Unmovic) to replace Unscom. Iraq rejects the resolution.
2000 1 March - Hans Blix becomes executive chairman of Unmovic.
2000 August - Reopening of Baghdad airport, followed by a stream of international flights organised by countries and organisations to campaign against sanctions. The flights are labelled humanitarian missions to comply with UN sanctions.
2000 October - Iraq resumes domestic passenger flights, the first since the 1991 Gulf War. Commercial air links re-established with Russia, Ireland and Middle East.
2001 - Free-trade zone agreements set up with neighbouring countries. Rail link with Turkey re-opened in May for first time since 1981.
2001 February - Britain, US carry out bombing raids to try to disable Iraq's air defence network. The bombings have little international support.
2001 May - Saddam's son Qusay elected to the leadership of the ruling Ba'th Party, fuelling speculation that he's being groomed to succeed his father.
2002 April - Baghdad suspends oil exports to protest against Israeli incursions into Palestinian territories. Despite calls by Saddam Hussein, no other Arab countries follow suit. Exports resume after 30 days.
2002 May - UN Security Council agrees to overhaul the sanctions regime, replacing a blanket ban on a range of goods with "smart" sanctions targeted at military and dual-use equipment.
Weapons inspectors return
2002 September - US President George Bush tells sceptical world leaders gathered at a UN General Assembly session to confront the "grave and gathering danger" of Iraq - or stand aside as the United States acts. In the same month British Prime Minister Tony Blair publishes a dossier on Iraq's military capability.
2002 November - UN weapons inspectors return to Iraq backed by a UN resolution which threatens serious consequences if Iraq is in "material breach" of its terms.
2003 March - Chief weapons inspector Hans Blix reports that Iraq has accelerated its cooperation but says inspectors need more time to verify Iraq's compliance.
2003 17 March - UK's ambassador to the UN says the diplomatic process on Iraq has ended; UN Secretary-General orders the evacuation of arms inspectors from Iraq; US President George W Bush gives Saddam Hussein and his sons 48 hours to leave Iraq or face war.
2003 20 March - American missiles hit targets in Baghdad, marking the start of a US-led campaign to topple the leadership of Saddam Hussein. In the following days US and British ground troops enter Iraq from the south
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and why does anything give us the right to break them???
because the UN wont enforce them.
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oh, i see, so if they do something wrong, that gives us the right to return the favor by doing something wrong to them?
no it doesnt, but if the UN would serve its purpose, we would not have to do this. we gave the UN AND Iraq plenty of time to create a resolution. nothing happened. once again, the UN is a joke now.
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and as for your disillusioned thought of iraq "threatening the world", you really need to stop listening to presidential speeches and start taking in the world around you. iraq hasn't threatened anyone, with the exception of the kurdish and kuwait. they didn't threaten the US, britain, australia, spain, france.... in fact you name the country - they didn't threaten it.
im sorry but i am not a puppet to fall and believe for all the propagnda fmr the US, or Bush. I think on my own. Iraq invaded kuwait, and threatened the kurds. which makes them a potential threat to us, and britain, and the rest of the world. do you remember a little thing called the Holocaust? It all started with Hitler wanting a little bit of land, and a bit more, and a bit more. then he controlled Europe. Do you want that again? Someone has got to prevent it from happening,right?
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please do me a favour, if you're going to repeat what you hear on the tv or read in the tabloids, at least go out and find out if it's true before trying to argue with me about it.
i think i did
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as for thinking there is a reason to get saddam out of power - i agree with you entirely. saddam isn't a morally stable leader for a country. however, if you study the US's strategic and political patterns behind this war you will find that this motive has nothing to do with the reason of attack, and in no way justifies the mass murder and terrorisation of iraqi civilians.
well, at least we agree on something. :) im always up for a nice debate.
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Posted - 2003/03/23 : 06:31:11
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Posted - 2003/03/23 : 06:42:44
^^ was he being serious about that? lol I thought it was a joke :)
thats a little ****ed up. lol
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Posted - 2003/03/23 : 07:25:50
. . . . . . ok . . . . that was enough history lessons for today (for me that is)
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Posted - 2003/03/23 : 22:32:09
i'd like to start by thanking you kg4 for taking the time to answer all the parts of my post. i like to think that there is now a mutual respect from both sides of this debate.
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Afghanistan
Albania
Australia
Azerbaijan
Bulgaria
Colombia
Czech Republic
Denmark
El Salvador
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Georgia
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Japan
South Korea
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
Netherlands
Nicaragua
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Singapore
Slovakia
Spain
Turkey
Britain
United States
Uzbekistan
+ 12 others that are undisclosed at the moment.
and how many of these countries support the US as a direct result of the US's threatening "with us or against us" stance?? or as a result of the US already having replaced the government of that country with their own (afghanistan being an excellent example)? or because they can't afford (politically, financially or militarily) not to support the US?
afghanistan, colombia, ethiopia, and south korea are ones that i know about. there are many small countries in there with no interest in iraq, and an obvious move of siding with the US in hope of winning their favour. also, most of these countries have not and will not send their own troops to fight this unjust massacre.
secondly, you have not provided much argument to my point. sure, you may have listed a large handful of countries, but like i said, this does not nearly make a majority. thus your point about france doing the opposite still being flawed. will you not admit defeat to that?
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well then, yes you did make an assumption, didnt you? and no, i dont base everything off on cnn (another assumption). i watch multiple news broadcasts, and go to multiple internet news websites (inclding bbc.co.uk, which is probably the best for getting the -real- story about anything in the world.)
i apologise, i must have judged you unfairly. your previous post, with its unreasoned arguments, suggested that you were simply repeating what you heard.
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Iran-Iraq war
1980 4 September - Iran shells Iraqi border towns (Iraq considers this as the start of the Iran/Iraq war).
1980 17 September - Iraq abrogates the 1975 treaty with Iran.
1980 22 September - Iraq attacks Iranian air bases.
1980 23 September - Iran bombs Iraqi military and economic targets.
1981 7 June - Israel attacks an Iraqi nuclear research centre at Tuwaythah near Baghdad.
Chemical attack on Kurds
1988 16 March - Iraq is said to have used chemical weapons against the Kurdish town of Halabjah.
Executed journalist: Bazoft
1988 20 August - A ceasefire comes into effect to be monitored by the UN Iran-Iraq Military Observer Group (UNIIMOG).
1990 15 March - Farzad Bazoft, an Iranian-born journalist with the London Observer newspaper, accused of spying on a military installation, is hanged in Baghdad.
Iraq invades Kuwait
1990 2 August - Iraq invades Kuwait and is condemned by United Nations Security Council (UNSC) Resolution 660 which calls for full withdrawal.
1990 6 August - UNSC Resolution 661 imposes economic sanctions on Iraq.
1990 8 August - Iraq announces the merger of Iraq and Kuwait.
Surrender: An Iraqi soldier confronted by Allied forces
1990 29 November - UNSC Resolution 678 authorizes the states cooperating with Kuwait to use "all necessary means" to uphold UNSC Resolution 660.
1991 16 -17 January - The Gulf War starts when the coalition forces begin aerial bombing of Iraq ("Operation Desert Storm").
1991 13 February - US planes destroy an air raid shelter at Amiriyah in Baghdad, killing over 300 people.
1991 24 February - The start of a ground operation which results in the liberation of Kuwait on 27 February.
Ceasefire
1991 3 March - Iraq accepts the terms of a ceasefire.
1991 Mid-March/early April - Iraqi forces suppress rebellions in the south and the north of the country.
1991 8 April - A plan for the establishment of a UN safe-haven in northern Iraq, north of latitude 36 degrees north, for the protection of the Kurds, is approved at a European Union meeting in Luxembourg. On 10 April, the USA orders Iraq to end all military activity in this area.
1992 26 August - A no-fly zone, excluding flights of Iraqi planes, is established in southern Iraq, south of latitude 32 degrees north.
War damage: The wreck of an Iraqi tank in Kuwait
1993 27 June - US forces launch a cruise missile attack on Iraqi intelligence headquarters in Al-Mansur district, Baghdad in retaliation for the attempted assassination of US President, George Bush, in Kuwait in April.
1994 29 May - Saddam Hussein becomes prime minister.
1994 10 November - The Iraqi National Assembly recognizes Kuwait's borders and its independence.
Oil-for-food
1995 14 April - UNSC Resolution 986 allows the partial resumption of Iraq's oil exports to buy food and medicine ( the "oil-for-food programme"). It is not accepted by Iraq until May 1996 and is not implemented until December 1996.
1995 August - Saddam Hussein's son-in-law, Gen Hussein Kamil Hasan al-Majid, Minister of Industry and Minerals, as well as Director of the Military Industrialization Organization (MIO), his brother, Saddam, and their families, leave Iraq and are granted asylum in Jordan.
1995 15 October - Saddam Hussein wins a referendum allowing him to remain president for another 7 years.
Pardoned son-in-law killed
1996 20 February - Hussein Kamil Hasan al-Majid and his brother, promised a pardon by Saddam Hussein, return to Baghdad and are killed on 23 February.
1996 31 August - In response to a call for aid from the KDP, Iraqi forces launch an offensive into the northern no-fly zone and capture of Arbil.
1996 3 September - The US extends the northern limit of the southern no-fly zone to latitude 33 degrees north, just south of Baghdad.
Anti-sanctions: Iraqi women protest
1996 12 December - Saddam Hussein's elder son, Uday, is seriously wounded in an assassination attempt in Baghdad's Al-Mansur district.
1998 31 October - Iraq ends all forms of cooperation with the UN Special Commission to Oversee the Destruction of Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction (Unscom).
1998 22 November - Izzat Ibrahim al-Duri, Vice-Chairman of the RCC, escapes an assassination attempt when visiting Karbala.
Operation Desert Fox
1998 16-19 December - After UN staff are evacuated from Baghdad, the USA and UK launch a bombing campaign, "Operation Desert Fox", to destroy Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programmes.
1999 4 January - Iraq asks the UN to replace its US and UK staff in Iraq.
1999 19 February - Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Muhammad Sadiq al-Sadr, spiritual leader of the Shi'i sect, is assassinated in Najaf.
1999 17 December - UNSC Resolution 1284 creates the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (Unmovic) to replace Unscom. Iraq rejects the resolution.
2000 1 March - Hans Blix becomes executive chairman of Unmovic.
2000 August - Reopening of Baghdad airport, followed by a stream of international flights organised by countries and organisations to campaign against sanctions. The flights are labelled humanitarian missions to comply with UN sanctions.
2000 October - Iraq resumes domestic passenger flights, the first since the 1991 Gulf War. Commercial air links re-established with Russia, Ireland and Middle East.
2001 - Free-trade zone agreements set up with neighbouring countries. Rail link with Turkey re-opened in May for first time since 1981.
2001 February - Britain, US carry out bombing raids to try to disable Iraq's air defence network. The bombings have little international support.
2001 May - Saddam's son Qusay elected to the leadership of the ruling Ba'th Party, fuelling speculation that he's being groomed to succeed his father.
2002 April - Baghdad suspends oil exports to protest against Israeli incursions into Palestinian territories. Despite calls by Saddam Hussein, no other Arab countries follow suit. Exports resume after 30 days.
2002 May - UN Security Council agrees to overhaul the sanctions regime, replacing a blanket ban on a range of goods with "smart" sanctions targeted at military and dual-use equipment.
Weapons inspectors return
2002 September - US President George Bush tells sceptical world leaders gathered at a UN General Assembly session to confront the "grave and gathering danger" of Iraq - or stand aside as the United States acts. In the same month British Prime Minister Tony Blair publishes a dossier on Iraq's military capability.
2002 November - UN weapons inspectors return to Iraq backed by a UN resolution which threatens serious consequences if Iraq is in "material breach" of its terms.
2003 March - Chief weapons inspector Hans Blix reports that Iraq has accelerated its cooperation but says inspectors need more time to verify Iraq's compliance.
2003 17 March - UK's ambassador to the UN says the diplomatic process on Iraq has ended; UN Secretary-General orders the evacuation of arms inspectors from Iraq; US President George W Bush gives Saddam Hussein and his sons 48 hours to leave Iraq or face war.
2003 20 March - American missiles hit targets in Baghdad, marking the start of a US-led campaign to topple the leadership of Saddam Hussein. In the following days US and British ground troops enter Iraq from the south
that's an extremely unhelpful copy-and-paste job there. it actually makes me laugh that you didn't edit it because here it seems like you have this huge list of "evidence". and yet, upon reading it, there is only an incredibly small amount about iraq not complying with UN resolutions. in fact, there is alot more "evidence" in your 'copy-and-paste' that iraq has been subject to "punishment" than them being cruel to others.
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and why does anything give us the right to break them???
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because the UN wont enforce them.
so let me get this straight, because the UN weren't 'fast' enough, we should act against the wishes of the UN security council?? this is where your argument gets a bit muddy... the last point you were making is how iraq disobeyed UN security councils wishes and therefore should be punished, and now you're saying that it's ok for us to disobey UN security council resolutions to 'punish' iraq??? so do you think the UN is a relevant organisation or not??
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oh, i see, so if they do something wrong, that gives us the right to return the favor by doing something wrong to them?
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no it doesnt, but if the UN would serve its purpose, we would not have to do this. we gave the UN AND Iraq plenty of time to create a resolution. nothing happened. once again, the UN is a joke now.
"US gave the UN and iraq plenty of time to create a resolution". and who is the US to assert such authority? they should have no authority over the UN or iraq. it's not up to the US to create deadlines for the UN or iraq. so you're saying the UN is a joke for not meeting the standards of US's imposed deadlines?? give me a break. the world doesn't have to say "how high" when the US says to jump.
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and as for your disillusioned thought of iraq "threatening the world", you really need to stop listening to presidential speeches and start taking in the world around you. iraq hasn't threatened anyone, with the exception of the kurdish and kuwait. they didn't threaten the US, britain, australia, spain, france.... in fact you name the country - they didn't threaten it.
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Iraq invaded kuwait, and threatened the kurds. which makes them a potential threat to us, and britain, and the rest of the world.
ummm.... i think this needs furhter explanation.
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do you remember a little thing called the Holocaust? It all started with Hitler wanting a little bit of land, and a bit more, and a bit more. then he controlled Europe. Do you want that again? Someone has got to prevent it from happening,right?
don't treat me like i have no regard for human tragedy. you are right about nazi germany. the US is doing a very similar thing. they keep expanding their empire, overthrowing various governments to fulfill their purposes. tens of thousands of innocent civilians died in afghanistan, and the infrastructure of the country is destroyed. this is not the fault of the taliban, it is the fault of the US's overkill and showing off the military might. now the US have yet another small country that will bow to it's every wish and command, with US culture and "financial support" asserted on the people. the US is not preventing this happening, they are more imperialistic than any other state in the world at the moment.
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please do me a favour, if you're going to repeat what you hear on the tv or read in the tabloids, at least go out and find out if it's true before trying to argue with me about it.
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i think i did
i agree that you did, and i appreciate that.
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as for thinking there is a reason to get saddam out of power - i agree with you entirely. saddam isn't a morally stable leader for a country. however, if you study the US's strategic and political patterns behind this war you will find that this motive has nothing to do with the reason of attack, and in no way justifies the mass murder and terrorisation of iraqi civilians.
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well, at least we agree on something. :) im always up for a nice debate.
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Posted - 2003/03/24 : 01:10:17
congrats pacman for the longest post award hehe
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kg4
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Posted - 2003/03/24 : 04:41:06
lol, it is early and my head hurts. so i am just going to say you win and that i dont agree with how the US is handling this. :)
nice one, were you on your highschool's debate team ;)
Oh man, I hope I didn't brain my damage...
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djmonoxide
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Posted - 2003/03/24 : 10:53:55
please no one quote that again lol
I used to be a raver, used to take lots of E. Now I just smoke weed, and you know I will Succeed. :)
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pacman
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Posted - 2003/03/24 : 12:31:44
hahaha sorry i thought it was effective in communicating my point.
much respect kg4, thanks for handling it so well!
drugs is not the answer... drugs? is the question... yes is the answer
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