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Broken
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 Posted - 2003/04/28 : 17:28:21
I say support the scene: stick with vinyl.
...besides, it's a proven fact that chicks can't resist a guy who spins vinyl, whereas they despise CD jocks.
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Tricky AB
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Posted - 2003/04/28 : 19:43:31
I say do what you like...I have a friend who has CD decks...he like them...I don't...but whatever floats your boat right....
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Posted - 2003/04/28 : 20:14:53
this is the only turntable i play on..
check out my awesome coloured vinyl!
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Posted - 2003/04/29 : 04:01:36
^^ I've heard of decks being direct-driven and belt-driven, but that thing looks like it's running on pedal power 
BTW ... that record looks really familiar; I'm sure someone's asked for a track-ID for it at some point ...
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DJ Overdose
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Posted - 2003/04/29 : 04:33:43
I would say vinyl rules, but to be fair some of these new CD decks are pretty close to mixing with vinyl. CD mixing does take out some of the fun tho. Although you can skratch on some CD decks, you can ne do it like the they do on the DMC mix comps!
I have both, but the CD decks are gathering dust! 1210s rule.
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Posted - 2003/04/29 : 05:46:00
vinyl has been and will be the only real proper hardcore djs format for a long time. Sound better and frankly just a hell of a lot more fun though, i heard something in the grapevine though about vinyls being discontinued in the future though, as sales have dropped so much since cds are becoming the favoured format due to ease and size....
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Posted - 2003/04/29 : 06:49:53
That image looks scary... like your damaging the record or something...
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Don Giovanni
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Posted - 2003/04/29 : 07:56:50
quote]Originally posted by Chrysostomou:
Sound better and frankly just a hell of a lot more fun though
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The fun part about vinyl I agree with ...but sound better? Don’t get my wrong I love vinyl too. But this statement seems unjustified
To me this really just seems like something people who have a lot of nostalgia for vinyl say just to justify their reasons for liking it. Really this sounds silly to me. It’s been proven that digitally stored media lasts longer than analog. Listen to your records a lot? Notice after a while u keep getting little pop and crackle type noises. You can cover that up to some degree but its still there.
My other problem with this way of thinking is this. The people producing the music use synthesizers and a lot of computer software now days. The music is originally saved in a digital format. So from going from a hard drive of a computer to a digital audio cd the sound should be perfect if done correctly.
Whereas with vinyl you are switching to an analog format which is not always perfect, and imperfections are added with use.
I've heard a lot of people say specifically that "the bass sounds better on vinyl" to me that just sounds like something in the peoples heads.
Anyway my question is for those that are more experienced on the boards, specifically those that have been djing for many years. Do you think you hear such differences in vinyl and cd? Is the bass better on vinyl?
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Stevie c
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Posted - 2003/04/29 : 23:45:39
I have cd decks and I do think its the only real way forward and I don't think people will buy any less music for starters. Now I have had problems learning to beat match with them as even in a specific genre most cd's won't tell you what Bpm the track is at. I found I struggle less with Vinyl, but cd's give you tons of choice, I have nearly 700 cd's and I never get bored. With cd's you can afford to Dj pretty much anything and not break the bank. Without needles you can't scratch (unless you get a board) which is why I am buying a deck to go with my set up. These days most clubs have cd's and the purists are not as bad as they use to be. With Cd's I do suffer from not being able to get the latest stuff easily but then again that is true for vinyl in some area's of UK. I admit a Dj looks cooler playing records than being stuck in front of what looks like a computer but than again I would still support the accessiblity of cds. At the end of the day its your style of mixing that counts, and a bad workman blames his tools. So go for what helps you most and what you feel most comfortable with. I personal want both, but know the cd's will get more use. One final thing, on cd's you can slip in samples without needing a sampler, I know it can be done to a degree with decks but not in the variety you can get on cd, Film monologues, cartoons and tv stuff are all on cd, that is a gimmic I couldn't refuse.
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Posted - 2003/04/30 : 14:59:30
LoL, I really shouldn't intervene but I will.
Not to comment on the vinyl "sounds better" thing ( hahaha, course it does, they're PRESSED from CD after all )
or the "CDs are ghey" thing ( coz u have to hold a 12" black piece of plastic to be hetro right? )
Just to say this: Do you already have a few hardcore records? Do you not have many connections in the scene and just want to start as a bedroom DJ and learn to mix? Better stick w/ vinyl then.
On the other hand, if you can get upfront tunes from a variety of labels, and want to stand ANY chance of playing an upfront set at all, get CDJs. U can't play upfront off vinyl.
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Posted - 2003/04/30 : 16:13:49
I'm sick of this "debate." Here's why I love my vinyl and will NEVER give it up.
1. As far as playing upfront stuff, well, WHO CARES!?!? I'd rather watch a dj play tunes I know and mix them well than to see somebody let a machine mix a bunch of tracks that are selected simply because they are new. Besides, if music is made so easily available to everyone, every track will be beat to death before it's even realeased. I find it a challenge to track down songs I love on vinyl.
2. Then there's my biggest beef with CDs: "djs" who have an entire CD book filled with shit they basically stole. Everytime I see one of them I just want to punch them.
3. This is a damn artform and I take it seriously. It's a mockery for people to think pushing a couple of buttons is the same thing as ACTUALLY MIXING THE RECORDS YOURSELF. People talk about being able to loop and sample and all that stuff... learn how to do it the old fashioned way! at the very least, buy a mixer that has a sampler or effects built in. You're not supposed to be able to become an overnight pro at djing, it's supposed to take practice and dedication. That's half the fun of it.
4. People say that anything you can do on a turntable can be done on a CDJ. This is bull. There is no way you can EVER account for the actual touching of the record. With vinyl you can do all kinds of things that involve a very minute pushing or dragging of the record.
5. The more computerized something is, the easier it is for something to go wrong. There was just a post about cd players getting screwed up from smoke from a smoke machine, and the way it sounds, they were practically new. Now think about it... how many parties/clubs/whatever have you been at that had smoke machines? I'm guessing just about every single one of them has. I myself don't really like idea of a set being ruined because of a little bit of smoke. Also, how well do cd players fare in a very humid environment? (you know, like a room where thousands of people are dancing up a sweat)
6. You could argue that "cd players don't have needles that skip."
My rebuttal: Refer to reason #3. Learn how to properly use a turntable and use decent needles and it won't be a problem. It may happen occasionally, but it's no worse than when you get a fingerprint or a tiny little scratch on a cd.
7. As for vinyl sounding better than cds: They most certainly do. The sound from vinyl is made by the groove vibrating the needle. Being that it is a vibration, you get a warmer sound because of the atmosphere. That's something you just can't duplicate with the cold precision of a laser.
8. "But CDs last longer." So what does that mean? Well, it means that the same Djs can play the same damn songs indefinitely because the media will never degrade. How bout this: If a record is very hard to find, a dj will be less likely to spin it EVERY DAMN TIME THEY PLAY. It keeps certain tracks special and you only bust them out at certain moments for the simple fact that you may not be able to find another one. That's part of what a dj does: they read the crowd and play the track that will really push the vibe over the limit, and what better way to do that than to drop that track that everyone loves but hasn't heard "in, like, forever"? If all the tracks are so easy to find, there won't be any that are special anymore.
9. Vinyl keeps a human element in this music that is basically computer dominated. Look at where techno came from: it was more than a form of music, it was man harnessing technology and bending it to his will in the form of snippets locked together and looped and only allowed to play out as far as the producer wanted them to. The dj was just a further extension of this concept. This argument may be somewhat abstract and a little bit subjective, but damn... it makes sense doesn't it?
and finally....
10. You know the chicks dig vinyl!
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Posted - 2003/04/30 : 17:22:07
Do you also enjoy playing all the tracks that never get released on vinyl or get a really dodgy pressing?
"Then there's my biggest beef with CDs: "djs" who have an entire CD book filled with shit they basically stole. Everytime I see one of them I just want to punch them."
I don't know many "DJ"s who play out stuff they haven't got legit, altho the situation may be different in the States. Also can you explain to me how buying old vinyl 2nd hand in any way benefits the original artist or label?
Heh.
edit: the thing about CDJs going wrong? I've heard my fair share of totally forked up skipping vinyl based sets in the past, but not one single CDJ related screw up recently. Here in the UK practically all big name DJs are nearly exclusively using CDJs with no problems at all.
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Posted - 2003/04/30 : 17:39:46
Just my 2c.
I think both formats have their advantages. And a lot of Dj use both.
But in essence, "everything" comes out on vinyl. And to use CD's you have to rip off the vinyl - so it all goes back to there.
I'd go vinyl cos its cooler, but CD's because its more convient, and you can squeeze more on it and doesn't warp....and here comes the arguements again!
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Posted - 2003/04/30 : 17:44:12
Actually, most of the CD jocks I have seen have many tracks that are burned. And they are, for most part, NOT tracks they made themselves. I have zero respect for someone who steals music and uses it to make money and stoke their ego.
I never said buying vinyl second hand benefitted the artist, in fact, I'll give you fifty dollars if you can show me where I said that. I will say that it is much more honest to buy a second hand vinyl than to steal the music from the internet or to copy it from somebody. If you purchase a vinyl or cd it is perfectly legal to sell said copy. However, it is not legal to make copies of it and sell those (obviously) or even give them away. At least a used vinyl has, at some point, put money in the artist's pocket*. Not very many MP3s do that. Just ask any of the producers that visit this board if they would rather have somebody buy a used vinyl of theirs or download the track off the internet. I'm pretty sure they would much rather have someone buy the used vinyl. I could be wrong, but in this case, I seriously doubt it.
Now, I'm sick of this. Everybody just get with the program and use vinyl like we're supposed to! The chicks love it! 
*I know, I know... unless it was a promo or something like that.
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Posted - 2003/04/30 : 17:48:50
i'd say if it works for you, go for it..
i have heard of weekly club dj's using cd's of downloaded mp3's though, which is just LAME..
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