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Samination
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 Posted - 2016/01/08 : 06:32:47
Netherlands doesnt seem to have any problems drawing YOUNGER crowds... for their bloody Happy Hardcore revival events
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Elipton
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Posted - 2016/01/08 : 15:22:28
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Originally posted by CDJay:
Does this suite come with rose petals, lavender pillow spray and mood music?
Amazing what an e can do. He's Ebeneezer Goode  .
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I think it's interesting what Entity said. It's a shame it's at the bottom of the page where posts get missed, so if you haven't read it, it's at the foot of page 8
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trippnface
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Posted - 2016/01/08 : 16:34:42
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Originally posted by Entity:
I've skim-read the article and the posts on here, so may have missed a few facts. IMO, As a "die-hard", I think the word "surge" is totally inappropriate. Why? you may or may not ask. I clearly remember the massive dip towards the end of the '90's, but yet, with appropriate pushing, marketing and, I dare-say, a certain Slammin' Vinyl Hixxy mix jump-started the ol' horse and things got popular again. Magazine reviews, TV advertised albums (that weren't loaded with artist/label or even mono/fake mixes), were springing up, and all was good.
And now? I think HU may put the odd album out for retail - I have no idea. What happened to the last Clubland? Things have moved on, and hardcore isn't really of any significance for the bigger names to pump out albums like they used to.
When it comes to making music, yes, there are absolutely AAA top-drawer producers out there. There are also others that can whack a totally shit tune online for sale, and the owners of such sites (not naming names) don't care, because their passion has gone, and will happily take 50% of each sale.
As for events... I think HTID USA showed the UK how it should be done (American/Canadian Raves are the way ahead!) There isn't enough new interest with the same DJ's spinning the same songs over here. I don't think anybody dare argue with me when I say that the number of people coming into hardcore is dwindling and people are going elsewhere. People get older. It is NOT. PHYSICALLY. POSSIBLE. to bring in the numbers that you could in the 90's. I'm still dabbling in UK/happy hardcore, because it's a long-standing passion of mine, and I hope it sticks around...but it won't ever be the same.
Feel free to argue.
"I don't think anybody dare argue with me when I say that the number of people coming into hardcore is dwindling and people are going elsewhere."
i agree with that. could it be better? i definitely think so. if the leaders in the scene did a better job listening to their fans and marketing music to the right people; or were less concerned with trying to make hardcore sound like whatever crap mainstream "hot shit" is out; i think hardcore would hold it's ground quite well. a few different groups in one small scene all trying to go different ways is not going to work though.
the people who will be coming into hardcore are looking for fast; upbeat; euphoric; in your face; music. i would imagine the kinds of sounds that drew people toward happy hardcore in the first place. so what makes gammer or styles think people that looked for the aforementioned aspects want to hear slow rap/trap/house beats that have no kind of real relevance to any fast rave music; and 100% zero relevance to the sounds of " happy hardcore"? love to know how well some trap would of went off in a hardcore room in 1998 lol.
sorry; that is not what hardcore fans want to hear. honestly the #1 most echoed sentiment. top tier producers should be less concerned with what THEY think hardcore is and going; and more concerned what their real fans know hardcore is and want. ( especially when they have that top tier responsibility) imo the egotistical producers have ruined the scene. hardcore is losing because the people that make it dont want to; and they would rather force a really bad interpretation of it on everyone = failure.
" but look how big they popped off at EDC" people say. so what? star wars just boxed out as the highest grossing movie of all time i believe; does that mean it is the best movie ever? hell no; it sucked. welcome to mass media; too much money; and commercialization. the death of more than our beloved hardcore
unfortunately. like you said; shit will get eaten up; and somebody is making money. / end game
"People get older. It is NOT. PHYSICALLY. POSSIBLE. to bring in the numbers that you could in the 90's"
haha the implications and all possibilities i am thinking about that confirm that stance really make me smile ;) . if we want to try though; the ideas and feelings and SOUNDS that brought people to hardcore need to be emulated. hardcore doesn't need to emulate anything else; and i think that is a huge part of the problem. let hardcore be hardcore. THAT will bring the people that are hardcore. it will never be as big as it once once; things; people; and ideas change. . that doesn't mean we need to ruin hardcore into something it isnt and shoudnt be. as has been mentioned; what good is styles and gammer dropping music they call "hardcore" to masses; but the ill informed people after more research see their "mainstream " sound is not hardcore at all; and real that hardcore doesnt sound like that. that is BAD for the scene; not good. hardcore needs to be focusing on bringin more people looking for fast; in your face; upbeat ; euphoric BAM BAM BAM. the same shit that made people fall in love and are STILL on this site after 20 years.
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Vladel
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Posted - 2016/01/08 : 18:24:23
That is a great post sir and bang on.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2016/01/08 : 20:55:33
The wider industry actually getting behind HU7 would have been a a good start. We spent *months* on that, and almost everything else would be more profitable for us
is it perfect? No. Is it a step in the right direction? Sales (despite many major artists featured pretending it didn't happen) and feedback say yes. The problem Imo is alluded to in prior posts: Unified front. Atm, certainly in the UK, anyone who happens into genre is forced to pick a camp/side/team. There's very little scene unity which used to be our greatest strength.
I have a plan, but as usual to work it requires some sort of collaborative thinking from our peers.
The pieces are there. The pattern is proven.
Let's do it?
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Samination
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Posted - 2016/01/09 : 05:48:42
The thing about the lack of united fronts or different camps exists in all genres, but it just hurts more when it comes to smaller genres. But I believe it's impossible to make happen. If it does work out, then it should be easy to make things like ISIS never exist... (yea I know it's extreme, but most things are determined by opinions after all).
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trippnface
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Posted - 2016/01/09 : 06:48:24
hell yea i just realized that dank "sun is rising " track from dowster & vagabond featured in the last HU podcast; and the candycrush page reposted the podcast as well. thats the kinda shit i like ;)
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djDMS
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Posted - 2016/01/09 : 10:06:25
They'd rather have a big piece of a small pie than a small piece of a big pie.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2016/01/09 : 13:31:17
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Originally posted by djDMS:
They'd rather have a big piece of a small pie than a small piece of a big pie.
That's the perfect analogy to summarise up 2 years worth of my posts
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Warnman
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Posted - 2016/01/10 : 01:16:35
Wow! I am very amazed about the big amount of honest words and valuable replies, which have been said in this thread! These are the words of people, who have a developed a true passion for this genre! 
At the moment I'd just like to mention one more question into this discussion that i've been missing so far:
How did Gabba Music has survived the huge overkill in the 90s? Answer: the scene has always tried to remain underground, but nowadays it seems to be much more commercialised than HHC, Hardhouse, Hardtrance and any other Rave genres had ever developed to grow!
My personal conviction is that the Hardcore scene will never be able to get back to success, if producers and DJs are continuing to simply copy any genres, which gets pushed by today's media! People tried to use melancholic Trance and called it Hardscape! Others used Psytrance and called it Freeform Hardcore! UK Hardcore developed itself from Happy Hardcore and had been successful! Powerstomp seems to be a very influenced by Hardstyle to my opinion!
At the end, all of this musics are just simple copies of other kinds of music.
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Samination
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Posted - 2016/01/10 : 09:25:12
9 pages in, and I have to say... What happened to the other thread? :P
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ViolonC
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Posted - 2016/01/10 : 10:23:34
Wasn't that controversial i guess. :)
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Vladel
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Posted - 2016/01/10 : 12:58:20
I think it's more like gammer yada yada boring lives in his bubble etc. It's been said before and won't change anything but what you have here are opinions that we can discuss and that's why it's taken off I think.
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GrahamC
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Posted - 2016/01/10 : 20:09:01
We know Gammer is at least reading this, question for me is, will it make any difference or not. I would personally bet against it :(
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Claxton
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Posted - 2016/01/10 : 21:49:13
I've chuffed with the reaction from this blog. I've been contacted by so many artists and fans of the music who've said they enjoyed reading it, including Gammer himself. That doesn't mean to say they agree with everything I've written but I like to think I wrote it in a constructive way.
At times people on here are far too scathing with their words and criticism without any constructiveness what so ever. Some posters can also attach artists on a personal level which is why the forum isn't looked on kindly by some.
Anyway, the blog has been read nearly 700 times which I'm chuffed with considering my limited reach.
I've started the next one which will look at a completely different topic :)
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