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kotu
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 Posted - 2016/06/04 : 10:04:45
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The addition of one word would fix this without ****ing up everything in the process. If you are wanting to appease international producers/fans then simply call it 'UK-style Hardcore'. It's not Dutch hardcore and it's not Happy Hardcore, it's hardcore made in the UK style post 2000.
you w**ker
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Posted - 2016/06/04 : 10:07:06
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It's undeniable that there's a difference between the sound of NL hardcore and UK... That's why the distinction is there, not as some kind of patriotic thing. The fact that there's now quite a few US producers making UK style hardcore doesn't mean the name is invalid or should be changed. It's about making a separation from the Dutch stuff which is totally different. This whole "let's call it happy hardcore" thing that's happening at the moment is wrong in my opinion - the names are just labels, signifiers of what to expect, it's generally understood that happy hardcore is the pre 2000 sounding stuff so I think it is ridiculous to try and reclaim that idea now that the genre names are so entrenched in the minds of anyone that isn't drinking Gammers Kool aid.
^ that was my post and it's spot on :)
i stand corrected
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Posted - 2016/06/04 : 11:50:35
Aren't they pretty much saying the same thing though? :)
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Posted - 2016/06/04 : 12:57:52
'Rave music' could mean all sorts
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Posted - 2016/06/04 : 13:03:08
No, I meant my two posts - the one that you took offence to and the one that made it all alright lol
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Posted - 2016/06/04 : 13:57:57
I read the thread title and thought Whizzkid had been posting nude selfies 
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Posted - 2016/06/04 : 19:09:07
So you clicked to open the thread... :D
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The Stisk
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Posted - 2016/06/04 : 19:41:54
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So you clicked to open the thread... :D
Hahaha! im an equal opportunities pervert! 
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kotu
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 Posted - 2016/06/04 : 21:07:20
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No, I meant my two posts - the one that you took offence to and the one that made it all alright lol
ha ha ok well when you said uk-style hardcore i thought u was making stuff up being a freak
then i realised that ppl in us etc making it would have to call it something like that
lol
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Posted - 2016/06/04 : 21:13:51
got ya :)
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2016/06/04 : 22:30:00
My opinion is:
- It needs to move away from the term UK Hardcore now. The music has become way too diverse & the following far too wide spread to lazily tag it that.
- Is Happy Hardcore what we should use again? In some ways I like it because there's a buzz surrounding the scene again reminiscent of the glory days. But! It seems like a step back.
- If we're going to reintroduce past terms then why use Happy Hardcore as this was just a subgenre in itself & we're limiting progression & risking people turning their noses up at hearing the name alone (thats a debate in itself!)
My solution: Call it 'Hardcore Techno'. Thats exactly what we listen too, a harder or "hardcore" version of Techno. Thats what it always has been & thats what it always will be. Better yet, it still sounds respectable, far from dated sounding like the term HH, and! It'll entice many, many dance music fans the world over to listen without prejudging :)
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2016/06/04 : 22:52:21
The term Happy hardcore should be reserved for that style, whether older stuff or the similar stuff produced now. It's like some commercial drum and bass artist adding a trance flavour to his music with a northern soul twist and elements of lounge music, and referring to this style as "jungle".
Hardcore techno is a much more appropriate term. (Although personally hardcore techno was what I always called the music played by the likes of Scorpio and Producer). But then, why add the techno part? Just hardcore should be enough!
I wish there was more 'actual' happy hardcore being made.
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kotu
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 Posted - 2016/06/05 : 07:12:58
I think it doesn't really matter what we call it. It doesn't matter if we call it happy hardcore amd it doesn't matter if we want to call it UK hardcore but..
I have a prediction that in THIRTY YEARS it will have evolved slightly (I don't know how) and most people in the world (YES) will be into it by then and then we might call it 'nu-wave'
But it will still be hardcore
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Edited by - kotu on 2016/06/05 07:13:23 |
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Posted - 2016/06/05 : 07:19:22
Claxton posted this wicked track to me in the thread on facebook -
:D Can't wait to get my mitts on that
Who chooses a name? I would've said that the genre name is defined as what the majority of people call a particular style of music. Before Gammer et al made the announcement that from now on all the music they put out would be called 'happy hardcore' you wouldn't have found a single person in the UK calling it that.
The only real solution I'd be happy with is the umbrella term 'hardcore' but we obviously decided at some point that it wasn't acceptable with the Dutch overlap. It works with drum and bass, though. People will say they produce 'drum and bass' regardless of if it's neuro/liquid/jump-up. You wouldn't hear Noisia saying 'we produce Jungle' - That's analogous to what Gammer etc. are doing
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 Posted - 2016/06/05 : 07:36:50
I don't really see the problem of calling it Happy Hardcore at all, because, at the end of the day, it IS hardcore, and it very much IS, happy music.
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