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Nick of Blaze!
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 Posted - 2003/07/19 : 01:05:48
hehehe ok it's straying a bit OT but it's interesting and some have asked a couple of q's...
radiokate : Primarily I'm a song writer and so me having my name benaeth the hit song is my reward, and to be honest I genuinely love that. I learned from when we did the Smart e's a long time ago that anonymity & privacy is more valuable than anything. I don't want to be a pop star but I do still enjoy a Bang! PA. That credit on F&F tells the rest of the industry I can write hit songs and they listen when I play them a new one, that's how I earn a living. believe me, there are a lot of acts/artists that realise being the writer commands more respect from the industry. Good Q and one I haven't been asked b4.
whispering : I understand your point, but that would really make the collection of royalties confusing for all the societies around the world. for me.... Cat Deeley saying that "Shooting Star" was originally released as a hardcore record by Bang! 5 years ago...." on CD:UK was recognition enough... purrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Simon: Quite right.... and me as a brandname is much more powerful in the songwriting circles than F&F... so it works both ways. I'm unpopular anyway so don't worry. I've got a single coming soon thats a "Bang! v. *******". Ive done this to get my new hardcore stuff on more units so more can buy them and maybe those that havent heard any hardcore might join us too in the scene.
Broken: These are my last words too... I don't know how old you are but I was around when hardcore "was built". it was built on prodigy, sl2, trip to trumpton, alter 8, pragha khan.... the list goes on... all of these acts at some point, thru distribution, promotion, gigs, where connected to a large corporation. A mainstream corporation. Hardcore was launched and is still going by mainstream corporations and media. If a young hardcore producer funds his next track by working at McDonalds, then his track was built on #ronald McDonalds money. If you truly believe that the popular artists in hardcore fund their lives and existence on just hardcore records you are very much mistaken. Whether they DJ at an event sponsored by "fosters lager" or get money from the PRS because their track was played on Radio 1, they still rely to some degree on mainstream corporate money. If you see me as selling out then that's cool, I'm still around supporting the scene, making hardcore, replying to you on here (how many other Artsis do that), but please remember you gotta include EVERY hardcore artsis too, because THEY ALL have had tracks on huge mainstrem company compilations.... Bonkers, Moonshine, Telstar, BMG, Polydor, EMI, Toshiba-EMI...etc etc etc
Hardcore wouldn't be here without every artist "selling out" at some point.
Sorry for the long post, but unless you explain you can't expect people to understand.
Cheers everyone!
Nick.
Sorry, forgot to mention I became a dad a little while ago. www.saffronarnold.com
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Simon
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Belgium
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Posted - 2003/07/19 : 03:58:42
Congrats on becoming a "Daddy"  .
I'll have a look at the site, the first thing I thought was I hope that it's a girl, due to the lovely pink background colour on the site .
Anyway, always enjoy reading your posts, there's no doubt about it when you post on here, I honestly go away feeling I've learned more from that one post than I ever did through all my education, and I'll be a better person for it 
So thanks for all the insight you offer ALL of us on here.
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hooverlover
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Posted - 2003/07/19 : 04:00:38
OK! If I had the POWER, I would do this,
1st: no more Super Cheezy pop trance (Crap) made on tele, radio, whatever (coz it gives electronic dance music a bad name)
2nd: all your fave albums, bonkers, hardcorheaven etc etc not to be sold in HMV - reason> I think it's embarasing to have a hardcore album in a shop where you can also buy shite like Singles/pop/s club 7. I rarther see hardcore ONLY avalable either in some grungy dirty small record store down a dark alley where only true hardcore lovers know the location, or online.
3rd: TOTP producers should change the program, and on the start there should be some big text and it would say this "you are about to be brainwashed and spoonfed by pop shite, this is NOT the ONLY music around, if you don't like it, explore for some REAL music"
4th: DJ Sammy, Flip'n'Fill, Scooter, Ultrabeat etc - ALL DEAD!
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hooverlover
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Posted - 2003/07/19 : 04:09:20
POP MUSIC IS CRAP! POP MUSIC IS CRAP! POP MUSIC IS CRAP! POP MUSIC IS CRAP! POP MUSIC IS CRAP! POP MUSIC IS CRAP! POP MUSIC IS CRAP! POP MUSIC IS CRAP! POP MUSIC IS CRAP! POP MUSIC IS CRAP! POP MUSIC IS CRAP! POP MUSIC IS CRAP! POP MUSIC IS CRAP! POP MUSIC IS CRAP! POP MUSIC IS CRAP! POP MUSIC IS CRAP! POP MUSIC IS CRAP! POP MUSIC IS CRAP!
NO ONE LIKES IT CAUSE I HATE IT! NO ONE LIKES IT CAUSE I HATE IT! NO ONE LIKES IT CAUSE I HATE IT! NO ONE LIKES IT CAUSE I HATE IT! NO ONE LIKES IT CAUSE I HATE IT! NO ONE LIKES IT CAUSE I HATE IT! NO ONE LIKES IT CAUSE I HATE IT! NO ONE LIKES IT CAUSE I HATE IT! NO ONE LIKES IT CAUSE I HATE IT!
SAMMY, SCOOTER, FLIP'N'FILL & ULTRABEAT ARE SHIT WANKERS! SAMMY, SCOOTER, FLIP'N'FILL & ULTRABEAT ARE SHIT WANKERS! SAMMY, SCOOTER, FLIP'N'FILL & ULTRABEAT ARE SHIT WANKERS! SAMMY, SCOOTER, FLIP'N'FILL & ULTRABEAT ARE SHIT WANKERS! SAMMY, SCOOTER, FLIP'N'FILL & ULTRABEAT ARE SHIT WANKERS!
GET MY POINT!!!!? YOU BETTER!
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mr bishi
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Posted - 2003/07/19 : 05:29:08
Im gettin pretty bored of this muck now, personally i cant stand these remixs so i choose not to listen to them - simple when ya think about it.
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djtommyrenegade
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Posted - 2003/07/19 : 05:54:49
dude ultrabeat have been around alot longer than their cheesy pretty green eyes remix, and it was the only one to go commerical in a sense. The rest of their stuff is top quality trance remixes, but as you are probabley to narrow minded to consider any trance as good, then thats your won loss, i appreciate all forms of music, be it hardcore, trance hell even blues, jazz, and the old classical tracks, they all have something in them to appeal to me, and IMO if you are pigeon holed to one genre, it makes you immature to your views on music. but thats my own opinion and will probably be slammed on that, but personally i dont care this is a forum were views are discussed :)
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kg4
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Posted - 2003/07/19 : 07:35:56
i think this topic should be closed. we've had enough of these.
Oh man, I hope I didn't brain my damage...
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virus
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Posted - 2003/07/19 : 09:11:40
hooverlover; shut up.. no one cares anymore.
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miles
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 Posted - 2003/07/19 : 10:59:41
wen i 1st erd prety green eyes i fort it was the biggest load of crap and just getting wors silly f**kers HARDCORE TILL I DIE
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kg4
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Posted - 2003/07/19 : 12:02:21
quote:
Originally posted by virus:
hooverlover; shut up.. no one cares anymore.
can't we kill him or something?
Oh man, I hope I didn't brain my damage...
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Dave Murray
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Posted - 2003/07/19 : 15:19:56
quote:
Originally posted by miles:
wen i 1st erd prety green eyes i fort it was the biggest load of crap and just getting wors silly f**kers HARDCORE TILL I DIE
OMG *Bitchslaps*
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silver
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Posted - 2003/07/19 : 23:32:28
quote:
Originally posted by hooverlover:
POP MUSIC IS CRAP!
You might not like it but other people do, it is impossible to listen to every type of music in the world then decide which music is the one I want to listen to, no one has that type of time, not to mention new styles of music comes out all the time.
So the media plays and selects tracks that the average person has time to listen to and understand... e.g. pop music. not everyone is a die hard music lover and most people just want something to tap their feet too.
You can't get angry about something you have no control over... If you want to change the music industry I suggest you start making your own tracks.
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DJ Mouse
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Posted - 2003/07/20 : 02:33:02
its like i always said,if you don't like something then bitching about it will get you nowhere,do something about it.
i don't like pop music either but i don't go round shouting it at the top of my voice....otherwise another thread like this would happen. and sooner rather than later it'll get locked like i can see happening to this one soon.
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Simon
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Posted - 2003/07/20 : 03:17:42
quote:
Originally posted by silver:
So the media plays and selects tracks that the average person has time to listen to and understand... e.g. pop music. not everyone is a die hard music lover and most people just want something to tap their feet too.
Totally agreed there. Another point, I'd like to point out is over the last 20 years or so the tunes that get played on the radio ie POP music has widened a lot, listen to all the trance and even some mellow/vocal D&B can now enter the charts. I feel popular music is changing all the time, by allowing other genres to be played and classified as popular music. Surely this is a good thing, in my oppinion.
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Dodgee
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Posted - 2003/07/22 : 04:19:50
I can understand Nick getting wound up by this because he's probably had to explain his viewpoint endless times to people who try and tell him he's not allowed to make money out of hardcore. Kind of ironic really considering the lack of financial return that he undoubtedly gets from his hardcore work.
So many people in this scene seem to think that hardcore survives in a fantasy land where the laws of business don't apply. They think that every hardcore producer should produce ONLY hardcore otherwise they're a sellout and what's more, if those producers admit to making any money from their tunes, that makes them a sellout too. So erm, how are they supposed to do the right thing by you as well as live day to day, pay the rent and pay for their studios etc without any money coming in?
OK you can say "oh well I have a dayjob too which means I don't have to worry about raping hardcore for money". Well sorry but some people actually WANT to work full time in music and make it their lives because they love it so much. But you don't think about it like that, you just think they're exploiting it and being arseholes.
The people who think that are exactly the same ones who want hardcore to remain alienated from every other dance music scene, and who judge tunes by how "underground" it is. I.e. a tune could be around on promo that they'd really love, but then exactly the same tune gets into the charts or a more mainstream dj starts playing it and all of a sudden they're like "oh my god what a sellout, this tune's shit".
All I can say is - grow up. Good music is good music. As long as it hasn't been purposefully watered down to get in the charts I don't see a problem, because it just shows that a wider audience is ready to hear your music on the merits that it already had as a HARDCORE track.
And back to the issue in hand, just take a step back and try and tell me how hardcore artists who license their work to mainstream labels and producers are damaging the hardcore scene please, because I don't see it. From the artist's point of view, they are finally getting some well deserved financial reward for the tracks they have written, which will allow them to a. eat and live, b. expand their studios, c. release more records if they happen to be label owners. Secondly, forging these kinds of links with other scenes makes people interested in hardcore. They might not have even realised it still existed but when they're told where flip n fill's tunes come from, they find out about the originals and perhaps grow to like other hardcore tunes too.
At the end of the day if you don't like the way they remix these tunes, don't listen to them. You don't have to, honest! I think the remixes and ripoffs that hardcore artists make of commercial tunes are far more detrimental to hardcore's credability personally.
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