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Knightmare
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 Posted - 2003/08/24 : 12:21:49
I think it's harsh you'd deny me hardcore, since it ain't my fault either that it's unavailable in my country.
I can't move (I'm 16, where would I go?), I can't find a job (believe me, I've tried).
But I can understand your point of view, you being an artist and all. It's only natural that you guyz want to make a living. That's why I try not to burn music on cd's, minimize my downloads and try to find legal wayz to get music (mostly legal mp3-downloads by amature artists).
And I just wanted to say that I think it's great you guyz got that radio running. Don't know what I'd do without it.
Tnx.
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Midway_raver
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Posted - 2003/08/24 : 14:40:22
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Knightmare: It is not the artists or labels fault you live in the country you live in and that country happens to not like HappyHardcore music. Either get a job and pay for the hardcore or move to another country that has more of a hardcore scene. I would rather see a person denied of hardcore music than an artist denied of money for the work they do for the hardcore scene and every other person actually buying the hardcore out there. There are no excuses to pirate music.
I'm sorry Silver but i find that rediculous, though i appreciate we're all entitled to our opinions. Imagine if you found urself in a poor predicament where for some reason u cudnl't afford to buy the music, but u still wanted to hear it, can't imagien ud just keep sayin to urself i can't afford it so i aint gonna hear it! Im fortunate enuff to not have to worry bout buying music, but i'll always download a tune first to hear it properly n decide whethe ri like it, then either decide to buy the vinyl or not if i dont liek the tune.
Fact is dj's will still buy teh vinyl, and the artists can't complain of lost sales cos why wud a cd dj buy teh vinyl neway? other than to rip then sell the 12
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virus
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Posted - 2003/08/24 : 15:27:00
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i'll always download a tune first to hear it properly n decide whethe ri like it, then either decide to buy the vinyl or not if i dont liek the tune.
That's whats so great about those soundclips they have on many record sites.
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Midway_raver
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 Posted - 2003/08/24 : 17:32:24
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That's whats so great about those soundclips they have on many record sites.
Yeah but 90% of them are proper crappy quality and u have to make up ur mind from a 30 second crackly clip. I prefer to get the full tune at a decent quality cos 9/10 times a tune will grow on me the mor ei listen to it.
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silver
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Posted - 2003/08/24 : 18:26:56
Knightmare: Sorry mate... Get a job and support hardcore like everyone else does... I'm sorry you cant find a job keep tring mate.
Midway: Ask any producer on here, you dont make your money on vinyl, your very lucky if you break even, you make money to eat and live from CD's and compliations.
Second point, one of the reasons we started the radio on HappyHardcore.com to address the concern of that you can't listen to the latest hardcore tunes... Listen to the radio it's free.
Third point, if you don't have enough money to buy a car do you steal it? Claiming that you could not get a job, That you tried to find a job... and car's are too expensive in your country... would you deny that person driving? Yes you would... The only difference is stealing music is much easier than stealing a car.
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pacman
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 Posted - 2003/08/24 : 21:52:25
i find this topic repulsive.
since we're all entitled to our opinions here i'm going to give mine.
knightmare: download music mate - enjoy it.
i'm no well-known producer. i bang out a few tunes on my comp, nothing special for now. i do write "classical" music, and make my most of my living teaching and performing music. i know how little money there is in it. you think there's no money in hardcore?? there's no money in classical trust me.
if someone in BELGIUM was listening to my tune i would be the happiest man alive. that's incredible to know that on the other side of the world people are listening to your music!! have you guys lost all sense of fun?? have you completely forgotten why music exists?
MUSIC IS FOR ENJOYMENT.
i can agree there is a problem if someone is selling the music and making money off it. but you're telling a 16 yr old to go out and get a job, to buy a hugely overpriced hardcore cd where most of the songs are RIP-OFFS of other songs anyway.. that's sad and cold. hardcore tunes are made on the computer. you're not writing symphonies here, you're putting electronic sounds together to make a track. MOST OF THEM ARE RIPS, so it's hardly intellectual property. i think it's incredibly sad and cold that people lose their sense of enjoyment in music. music is something that should be enjoyed by everyone.
in answer to the post hoekzema: it's illegal to have a party where people pay entry and play the tunes out without giving the artists royalties anyway!! so if you have a cd, big deal - what's happening is already illegal.
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DJ Mouse
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Posted - 2003/08/25 : 01:25:58
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if you don't have enough money to buy a car do you steal it?
they do here,cars are always getting nicked in this area :(
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silver
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Posted - 2003/08/25 : 02:26:38
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Originally posted by pacman:
if someone in BELGIUM was listening to my tune i would be the happiest man alive. that's incredible to know that on the other side of the world people are listening to your music!! have you guys lost all sense of fun?? have you completely forgotten why music exists?
MUSIC IS FOR ENJOYMENT.
Sure I'm the first time anyone producers make a tune and this happens they are extreamly happy. But when you get more and more popular and you start to invest more of your money into equipment, better production and better pressings and you don't earn any money then that it wrong.
Sure music is to be enjoyed BUT the producers of the music have to make a living, they have to feed their families and themself.
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Originally posted by pacman:
i can agree there is a problem if someone is selling the music and making money off it. but you're telling a 16 yr old to go out and get a job, to buy a hugely overpriced hardcore cd where most of the songs are RIP-OFFS of other songs anyway.. that's sad and cold.
I had a job when I was 13 earning 2.50 Australian dollars an hour. Yeah it was low and the job sucked but I could buy what I wanted at the end of the week. If you want something you buy it dont steal it. Second point if you want the track enough to steal it then your arguement of the tracks are "rip off's anyway so who cares" is also flawed.
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Originally posted by pacman:
hardcore tunes are made on the computer. you're not writing symphonies here, you're putting electronic sounds together to make a track. MOST OF THEM ARE RIPS, so it's hardly intellectual property.
Anyone can write a track, it is extreamly hard to write something that actually sounds good... Ask any producer (I know your reading this) and they will tell you the same thing. It takes alot of time, energy and focus to create something that is good and worthy of selling. If they did not put this energy into writing the tunes then you would all complain that the tracks suck. I think writing good music in any genre is hard, I'm not going to get into an arguement here but good classical is just as hard to write as good hardcore is I'm sure.
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Originally posted by pacman:
i think it's incredibly sad and cold that people lose their sense of enjoyment in music. music is something that should be enjoyed by everyone.
Music aint free, this is not a new thing and has been around for a very long time.... get used to it, everytime you hear a track in a lift, on the radio or on the television someone is paying for it. I don't buy many CD's myself (I uy vinyl) but CD prices have not changed in the last 10 years, they are the same price, what else can you say the same thing for. Sure CD manufacturing has prices has probally gone down but you got to remember that producing a CD still involves paying people, designers, sound engineers, etc... Who's prices have probally all gone up. I'm not backing the CD companies here all I'm saying is that you should BUY your hardcore, if you don't want it to die.
I dont want to see producers leave hardcore and goto to other genres because they can't afford to buy lunch anymore.
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Exhile
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Posted - 2003/08/25 : 05:17:49
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Originally posted by silver:
I dont want to see producers leave hardcore and goto to other genres because they can't afford to buy lunch anymore.
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Midway_raver
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Posted - 2003/08/25 : 09:21:27
it's sad to think that there's so little money in hardcore, yet so much money in releasing all the hardcore rip off tunes!! something just don't seem right or fair bout that!!
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whispering
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Posted - 2003/08/25 : 09:55:57
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Originally posted by silver:
I had a job when I was 13 earning 2.50 Australian dollars an hour. Yeah it was low and the job sucked but I could buy what I wanted at the end of the week. If you want something you buy it dont steal it. Second point if you want the track enough to steal it then your arguement of the tracks are "rip off's anyway so who cares" is also flawed.
I'm with silver on this one, everybody remembers the time in the 90's when the trade was slack.
well at least here it was, nobody had any money, i worked at that time in a pizzeria as a delivery guy (i was 15 years old), if there was no deliverys i got 1€/hour (cd costs 20€)... Imagine yourself with a scooter when the temperature is -20... Back then i waited every christmas and birthday to get a cd, witch ppl these days steal like nothing...
I donno, after that the "personal value" of a cd has become really big to me...
I havent sold any of my cd's, i still have every cd, from the very first one...
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mrc
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Posted - 2003/08/25 : 14:28:18
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With me, the dilemma is:
I live in a country that presumes that happy hardcore is dead. I don't have the money to go buy a lot of cd's in offshore shop.
=> No HHC for me.
Are you going to deny me hardcore?
Well?
Are you going to be the one that makes my life unfullfilled?
Or are you going to let me stream mp3's of the web that can never have the same quality as they have on cd? Cuz basicly, that's what you guyz also let us do with the radio, no?
Think about this for a sec., will ya?
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no wonder your hardcore is seen as dead. if u rip music it removes the investment for new tunes, lables etc. how do u expect people to produce and promote music with no cash?
oh s*it man, what was i saying?
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Underloop
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Posted - 2003/08/26 : 01:14:51
The way you've got to look at it is that music is like a loan..... the music always belongs to the writer/producer/record label (depending how things are structured). It is up to the owner of the copyright to do with what they want. If they say you can buy it in a shop, or listen to it on the radio or whatever, but at a cost, then it is up to them..... going back to the whole car comparison, would you expect them to lend out their car for no charge? If they do chose to give out the music freely, as alot of artists do as means of promotion, especially more up and coming producers, then great.... but the fact remains, the track is theirs to do with what THEY want, not for you to do with what YOU want!!
While we are on the subject of piracy and copying of music, there are 2 points that I am very interested in..... where do people stand on the following 2 subjects:
1) the downloading of stuff that was released, and then withdrawn from sale as it was illegal in itself (eg Shut Up And Dance - Ravin' I'm Ravin')
2) DJs sticking mixes up on the net in order to promote themselves
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Knightmare
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Posted - 2003/08/26 : 04:10:48
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Originally posted by mrc:
no wonder your hardcore is seen as dead. if u rip music it removes the investment for new tunes, lables etc. how do u expect people to produce and promote music with no cash?
oh s*it man, what was i saying?
That's not exactly the case around here.
Here if you say hardcore, everybody Immedeatly thinks you're talking about gabber, and gabber is very dislike by the big public because of all the negative publicity and the rightwinged extremists that sometimes can be found at our gabberparties. Therefore the name happy hardcore would not be liked. Also, the gabbers don't reall like happy and rave around here (because of what happened in the 90's around here), so they won't want to introduce it.
Basicly, no-one (except for a few of us) wants happy hardcore to be available in our country. There is simply no market for it here.
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Knightmare
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Posted - 2003/08/26 : 04:17:15
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Originally posted by Underloop:
While we are on the subject of piracy and copying of music, there are 2 points that I am very interested in..... where do people stand on the following 2 subjects:
1) the downloading of stuff that was released, and then withdrawn from sale as it was illegal in itself (eg Shut Up And Dance - Ravin' I'm Ravin')
2) DJs sticking mixes up on the net in order to promote themselves
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Yeah, I'd like to know that 2. Especially the mix question
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