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oxis
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 Posted - 2015/03/02 : 17:56:12
AKA nitpicking thread
does anyone else feel like there are recurring elements in tracks that you really don't like and that make the whole song unenjoyable?
for me, it's the obnoxious loud noise sweeps used to fill the mix with something while the breakdown doesn't come. it is just lifeless to me, has no soul whatsoever. i would rather have something more interesting mixed in with the sweep, like this thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klNQ6CNe-rQ&t=23s. it almost sounds like a demonic growl, and i really like it, even though the rest of the track is lame as hell.
even worse than the sweeps is probably the crowd cheering samples used to fill the mix. i am aware that it is useful to make the track sound like it has more air, but it just ruins it to me for some reason, it sounds really pretentious to put people cheering in your own track.
something else that i hate, not really in songs, but in mixes, is when the DJ decides to mix in the second song and it doesn't fit remotely with the previous song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhZbSrrW7RU
it is obvious that this track is going for the big, loud, euphoric classic hardcore sound. so melody is, atleast to me, something very important in the song. at 2 minutes 33 seconds, the next song is mixed in, and the synth notes don't fit remotely. it just seems like a bad choice of a song to play right after something like Paradise. or maybe if you're considering that someone else will play your stuff in a set, you would try to make it so the beggining of your track doesn't have much harmony, which makes it much less likely that it will interfere with the previous track.
idk if this is extreme nitpicking, but it really bugs me sometimes.. i'm sure that you guys must also have something that necessarily annoys you though
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Elipton
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Posted - 2015/03/02 : 18:36:45
I can't name 3 artists who make the second half of their tracks different to the first half.
Laziness annoys me in tracks.
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ViolonC
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Posted - 2015/03/02 : 18:39:44
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Originally posted by oxis:
for me, it's the obnoxious loud noise sweeps used to fill the mix with something while the breakdown doesn't come.
I know what you mean. The main problem with this sweeps is that if they are in the mixin/out they have to be loud enough to be audible even when two tracks are mixed. And before the drop a lot of the time the sum gets high-passed to make the kick drop in harder and then the limiter makes it super loud.
It's not easy to make a good noise sweep (sound design) and you almost every time have to compromise mixing it in.
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Originally posted by oxis:
something else that i hate, not really in songs, but in mixes, is when the DJ decides to mix in the second song and it doesn't fit remotely with the previous song.
Same here. My take on this is that a lot of DJs are not musicians and therefor lack a feeling for the music (as a DJ just need some feeling for the rhythm to mix two tracks). An other answer would be that the DJ is just lazy or doesn't care because he wants to play the next track at all costs. It sounds kinda strange but having this musically bad transition is kinda the better choice than making a hard cut to the next track (except there is a good spot to do it) as a lot of listeners won't bother either.
The thing that probably bothers me the most is when breakdown and drop have no musical connection or even a clear disconnection.
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Impulse_Response
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Posted - 2015/03/02 : 21:05:26
One thing that really annoys me is when a DJ ends a good happy or freeform set with gabber or gabbery sounding tracks (like on Scott Brown's Bonkers mixes). While there are a few gabber tunes that I like, for the most part I don't like gabber and having it at the end of a set kills the energy for me.
I also can't stand good tracks that are ruined with gabbery breakdowns, like "You Better Run" by Frisky & Hujib, or so many others the Next Generation Collection albums.
There are two things that annoy me in mixes as well. I don't like it when DJs try to squeeze 30 tracks into a mix, so you only get about 1:30 of some tracks (which too often are the ones I really like). I like to hear them, and by the time one track really gets going it's already on its way out. The other thing I don't like is when the last track in the mix fades out, even though there are 8-10 minutes left on the CD and they could've let the last track play out. This is a small detail though and not a huge complaint.
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Elliott
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Posted - 2015/03/02 : 22:07:05
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Originally posted by Elipton:
I can't name 3 artists who make the second half of their tracks different to the first half.
Laziness annoys me in tracks.
When I first started production, I realised that I'm an incredibly lazy person so I decided to only do single drop tracks because I knew I would just copy-paste the first half.
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2015/03/02 : 22:13:32
Notes...........& percussion, can't forget percussion.
Just sound in general really. Give me 5mins of absolute silence any day.
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Comrade_
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Posted - 2015/03/03 : 01:07:22
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Originally posted by Advather:
There are two things that annoy me in mixes as well. I don't like it when DJs try to squeeze 30 tracks into a mix, so you only get about 1:30 of some tracks (which too often are the ones I really like). I like to hear them, and by the time one track really gets going it's already on its way out. The other thing I don't like is when the last track in the mix fades out, even though there are 8-10 minutes left on the CD and they could've let the last track play out. This is a small detail though and not a huge complaint.
I remember one of Dj DMS's dimension of euphoria mixes being a big culprit of this. He mixed 30ish into an hour long mix!
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trippnface
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Posted - 2015/03/03 : 07:53:59
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Originally posted by Advather:
One thing that really annoys me is when a DJ ends a good happy or freeform set with gabber or gabbery sounding tracks (like on Scott Brown's Bonkers mixes). While there are a few gabber tunes that I like, for the most part I don't like gabber and having it at the end of a set kills the energy for me.
I also can't stand good tracks that are ruined with gabbery breakdowns, like "You Better Run" by Frisky & Hujib, or so many others the Next Generation Collection albums.
There are two things that annoy me in mixes as well. I don't like it when DJs try to squeeze 30 tracks into a mix, so you only get about 1:30 of some tracks (which too often are the ones I really like). I like to hear them, and by the time one track really gets going it's already on its way out. The other thing I don't like is when the last track in the mix fades out, even though there are 8-10 minutes left on the CD and they could've let the last track play out. This is a small detail though and not a huge complaint.
agreed. i would seriously always prefer finishing on some crazy euphoric vocal banger or the like
some people love to go apeshit and lose it to gabber at the very end though i guess :p
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wong
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Posted - 2015/03/03 : 09:47:44
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Originally posted by Advather:
One thing that really annoys me is when a DJ ends a good happy or freeform set with gabber or gabbery sounding tracks (like on Scott Brown's Bonkers mixes).
im opposite, i love to hear a nice happy mix ending on a hard note. Infact, im gonna do a mix tonight and do exactly this :)
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Vladel
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Posted - 2015/03/03 : 11:27:27
I do like a hard finish to a happy mix sometimes but it's not essential. Sometimes it's nice to have a chilled out end
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Guest
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Posted - 2015/03/03 : 12:28:16
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Originally posted by trippnface:
quote:
Originally posted by Advather:
One thing that really annoys me is when a DJ ends a good happy or freeform set with gabber or gabbery sounding tracks (like on Scott Brown's Bonkers mixes). While there are a few gabber tunes that I like, for the most part I don't like gabber and having it at the end of a set kills the energy for me.
I also can't stand good tracks that are ruined with gabbery breakdowns, like "You Better Run" by Frisky & Hujib, or so many others the Next Generation Collection albums.
There are two things that annoy me in mixes as well. I don't like it when DJs try to squeeze 30 tracks into a mix, so you only get about 1:30 of some tracks (which too often are the ones I really like). I like to hear them, and by the time one track really gets going it's already on its way out. The other thing I don't like is when the last track in the mix fades out, even though there are 8-10 minutes left on the CD and they could've let the last track play out. This is a small detail though and not a huge complaint.
agreed. i would seriously always prefer finishing on some crazy euphoric vocal banger or the like
some people love to go apeshit and lose it to gabber at the very end though i guess :p
if you follow all the big events and charts and mix cd`s, gabber is not hard, it just has sub bass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPznTCEWo24
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2015/03/03 : 12:57:50
When tracks add an extra bar, which is just a simple filler or snare roll or something, at a point you might already be mixing out from. Hardly ruins the whole track but a pain in the arse from a DJ point of view.
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danielseven
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Posted - 2015/03/03 : 14:21:32
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Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
When tracks add an extra bar, which is just a simple filler or snare roll or something, at a point you might already be mixing out from. Hardly ruins the whole track but a pain in the arse from a DJ point of view.
This is where it actually belongs who's a good DJ: they have a memory of the music they play, and know all the cue points!
I remember how much a nightmare was mixing italodisco or eurodance or even 2000's italodance... Because when you thought the track was finishing with their empty beats... The track kicks on again! haha
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2015/03/03 : 14:47:20
Overuse of sidechain compression. Dont get me wrong, it definitely has its place & I like the effect. However white noise breakdowns that drag on for around 10secs with the side chain effect is a bit dull after a while.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2015/03/03 : 15:55:38
heavy use of side chaining (****s with my ears), white noise, and over mastering/compression (whatever) to the point of distortion.
Trance is a real victim of the first two there.
The tracks where they seem to have put every effort into getting it to sound squeeky clean but have put the exact opposite amount of effort into actually making an enjoyable piece of music.
Would rather have a fantastical masterpiece that has errors here and there and never got a master, than have a squeeky clean polished turd.
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djDMS
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Posted - 2015/03/03 : 16:30:16
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Originally posted by Comrade_:
quote:
Originally posted by Advather:
There are two things that annoy me in mixes as well. I don't like it when DJs try to squeeze 30 tracks into a mix, so you only get about 1:30 of some tracks (which too often are the ones I really like). I like to hear them, and by the time one track really gets going it's already on its way out. The other thing I don't like is when the last track in the mix fades out, even though there are 8-10 minutes left on the CD and they could've let the last track play out. This is a small detail though and not a huge complaint.
I remember one of Dj DMS's dimension of euphoria mixes being a big culprit of this. He mixed 30ish into an hour long mix!
I might have got slightly carried away.
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