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ponder
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 Posted - 2015/03/18 : 19:24:11
OK, a more serious gripe...
Lesser known artists who release/upload/play out unofficial remixes they've made of classic Hardcore tunes. There was this 'New Happy Hardcore' stuff a while a go that was just remixes of Shooting Star, Eye Opener etc. It's just taking someone else's hard work and piggy backing on it with some basic production knowledge, and such a cheap, sterile way to get a reaction at a rave.
As for the side-chaining thing - who the hell is still side-chaining when you have Volume Shaper, LFO Tool etc out there that allow far more control and flexibility ;)
But the biggest thing that annoys me is people unwilling to take risks, or unwilling to accept artists who may change or evolve their style.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2015/03/18 : 19:26:42
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Originally posted by ponder:
OK, a more serious gripe...
Lesser known artists who release/upload/play out unofficial remixes they've made of classic Hardcore tunes. There was this 'New Happy Hardcore' stuff a while a go that was just remixes of Shooting Star, Eye Opener etc. It's just taking someone else's hard work and piggy backing on it with some basic production knowledge, and such a cheap, sterile way to get a reaction at a rave.
As for the side-chaining thing - who the hell is still side-chaining when you have Volume Shaper, LFO Tool etc out there that allow far more control and flexibility ;)
Synths have amplitude envelopes for dynamics too lol
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Lesser known artists who release/upload/play out unofficial remixes they've made of classic Hardcore tunes
This happened a lot (as you know) around 1999-2001 but with Trance tunes. Almost all of the rips were terrible and pointless.
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Edited by - Hard2Get on 2015/03/18 19:28:22 |
Samination
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Posted - 2015/03/18 : 20:45:27
So, it's OK for bigger names to do (unofficial) remixes of other tracks but not lesser known? :P
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2015/03/18 : 20:48:37
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Originally posted by Samination:
So, it's OK for bigger names to do (unofficial) remixes of other tracks but not lesser known? :P
I know who you mean lol
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ponder
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Posted - 2015/03/18 : 22:42:44
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Originally posted by Samination:
So, it's OK for bigger names to do (unofficial) remixes of other tracks but not lesser known? :P
I think the odd cheeky bootleg is ok, especially if it does something different to the original, but basing an entire sound around lifting other people's music is a bit off.
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2015/03/18 : 23:43:35
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Originally posted by ponder:
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Originally posted by Samination:
So, it's OK for bigger names to do (unofficial) remixes of other tracks but not lesser known? :P
I think the odd cheeky bootleg is ok, especially if it does something different to the original, but basing an entire sound around lifting other people's music is a bit off.
And giving themselves a catchy name like Bazz Mast3rz or something.
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Samination
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Posted - 2015/03/19 : 07:37:52
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:
Originally posted by Samination:
So, it's OK for bigger names to do (unofficial) remixes of other tracks but not lesser known? :P
I know who you mean lol
I was going to refer to the Scotsman, but everyone is guilty of it. Hixxy, Styles, Breeze and so forth. And not only in Hardcore ofcourse
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2015/03/19 : 09:58:52
But Scott Brown is the only person i can think of apart from a few odd exceptions where he has actually improved the original and produced with as much (often more) skill of his own. They are usually done as ponder described.
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Bee-Trax
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Posted - 2015/03/19 : 10:00:39
When they try to make a track, but then it doesn't sound like it was on Bonkers 7.
also when an album is released, but the album isn't called Bonkers 7.
I'd like to make a quick statement on behalf of every bee in the hive with regards to Ponder's statement and bonkers 7
"basing an entire sound around lifting other people's music is a bit off."
I don't know if that was aimed squarely at Bee-trax, but it does seem to point as us and the cult of bonkers 7.
We've chatted to UFO (even before we started to fly) and he knows we have every respect for the sound they created for bonkers 7 back in 99, which is why (along with an unquestionable, relentless demand for more bonkers 7 rave scene) we are continuing to hold the flame of the bonkers 7 sound.
Bonkers 7
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2015/03/19 : 10:16:21
I doubt he meant you as it's a common thing. In your case it is different because your intention is clear. You're going for the Bonkers 7 sound out of appreciation for it and not trying to deny that fact. Your love for Bonkers 7 is pretty clear to see lol
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Bee-Trax
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Posted - 2015/03/19 : 10:48:10
we supposed that - but thought we should say something anyway just to clear the air! =)
Although the cornerstone of the Bonkers 7 sound does seem to err slightly to the side of not-so-official-bootlegs-of-trance we still like to pretend to ourselves that we are at least doing something a little different in bonkers 7's name, to the standard UK Hardcore bootleg.
As it is widely rumored/speculated that most top tier producers are currently working on Bonkers 7 styled tracks right now, none have released any of them (indeed, most will deny it as it's one of the best held secrets of the scene) it seemed important that Bee Trax filled the gap until such a time (the much anticipated and awaited "b'sevening") they release them.
All that in mind there is at least 19.99% of the Bonkers 7 sound that doesn't seem to have a grounding in classic trance (or bizarre 70s electronica) and would be worth looking into at the point
at least when 19.99% becomes a realistic song length in relation to the rest of the releases!
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Edited by - Bee-Trax on 2015/03/19 10:54:54 |
ponder
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Posted - 2015/03/19 : 17:19:16
quote:
Originally posted by Bee-Trax:
When they try to make a track, but then it doesn't sound like it was on Bonkers 7.
also when an album is released, but the album isn't called Bonkers 7.
I'd like to make a quick statement on behalf of every bee in the hive with regards to Ponder's statement and bonkers 7
"basing an entire sound around lifting other people's music is a bit off."
I don't know if that was aimed squarely at Bee-trax, but it does seem to point as us and the cult of bonkers 7.
We've chatted to UFO (even before we started to fly) and he knows we have every respect for the sound they created for bonkers 7 back in 99, which is why (along with an unquestionable, relentless demand for more bonkers 7 rave scene) we are continuing to hold the flame of the bonkers 7 sound.
Bonkers 7
No offence mate, but I've literally never heard of you or any of your music before. So no, it wasn't aimed at you. :)
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Cyrax
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Posted - 2015/03/19 : 18:20:07
Bonkers 7 is just Bonkers 8 for people who can't face reality !
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Bee-Trax
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Posted - 2015/03/19 : 18:34:17
Some times things are so phenomenally popular that they just completely and utterly go under the radar and nobody sees or demands them.
Are you sure? I was unaware of any other reality other than Bonkers 7!
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