Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,635 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2015/07/30 : 20:57:30
quote:Originally posted by Torpex:
Surely everyone can see the absurdity here?
It's a challenge to find 750 people willing to pay for the only compilation in "happy" hardcore.
750 people.
WORLDWIDE.
:/
Nuts.
Do you think it's a case that people just don't buy CDs....or has hardcore just fallen off the radar and nobody really knows what it is anymore
I've often wondered what sort of response you would get if a person went into a school, like at assembly time and asked "who here has heard of UK hardcore/happy hardcore?" then asked "who has heard of dubstep?"
perhaps other genres are overshadowing the next generation of listeners to come through? Not that there was a huge platform anyway, but the whole tv-advertised, chart topping hardcore album days seem to be way behind us; I can't understand why someone in school right now *wouldn't* like what is on HU7, it's a current sound.
I feel like rockin' up in the car park after school with it pumping out, boot open and selling copies out the back of the car; hand out a few flyers.
or maybe I'm wrong and they'll ask what they're suppose to do with one of these "CDS"...."will it fit in my Ipod?"...then offer to walk me across the road or perhaps call the old folks home to tell them where I am :D
Impulse_Response Advanced Member
United States
724 posts Joined: Jun, 2013
Posted - 2015/07/30 : 21:48:30
quote:Originally posted by Triquatra:
Nuts.
Do you think it's a case that people just don't buy CDs....or has hardcore just fallen off the radar and nobody really knows what it is anymore
I can't speak for the hardcore scene specifically, but it does seem that people just don't buy CDs. I know maybe 3 other people who do. Even my mom thinks I'm crazy when I buy CDs, and she says I should just use digital (as if CD isn't a digital format) and tells me to "get with the times."
It wouldn't be so frustrating if she just said that she didn't care about owning CDs, but I hate it when she or other people think I'm silly for wanting to actually own something.
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djDMS Advanced Member
United Kingdom
10,304 posts Joined: Feb, 2003
572 hardcore releases
Posted - 2015/07/30 : 22:57:26
Maybe, but it's more like the Hardcore scene is full of people who either
a) Talk shit. 'Yeah wicked mate, I'm buying this' (only to not bother)
b) Talk even more shit. 'Wow, banging mate, really want this' (only to not bother THEN illegally download it).
Lots of people talk a good game but never see it through.
Not just Hardcore of course, but in a scene this small it matters more.
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CDJay Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,049 posts Joined: Nov, 2001
Posted - 2015/07/30 : 23:57:40
It's a heavily divided niche.
Even now I seek out up and coming producers who say things like "I never paid too much attention to HU".
That's catastrophic in the current climate, and entirely borne of things way out of our control. It's fixable, but requires a real U-Turn from vast swathes of industry; Ignoring us before I would argue was short sighted, even counterproductive, but right now it's lemmingcidal.
latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2015/07/31 : 00:04:50
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
Maybe, but it's more like the Hardcore scene is full of people who either
a) Talk shit. 'Yeah wicked mate, I'm buying this' (only to not bother)
b) Talk even more shit. 'Wow, banging mate, really want this' (only to not bother THEN illegally download it).
Lots of people talk a good game but never see it through.
Not just Hardcore of course, but in a scene this small it matters more.
Or
c) They ARE shit. "No Gammerz or Stylez mixing this??? Not buying it!"
Bad Corey Average Member
United States
235 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2015/07/31 : 04:57:18
quote:Originally posted by CDJay:
It's a heavily divided niche.
Even now I seek out up and coming producers who say things like "I never paid too much attention to HU".
That's catastrophic in the current climate, and entirely borne of things way out of our control. It's fixable, but requires a real U-Turn from vast swathes of industry; Ignoring us before I would argue was short sighted, even counterproductive, but right now it's lemmingcidal.
CDJay
And here I am with "get a track a HU main CD" on my bucket list. The fact that there are hardcore producers who haven't "paid much attention to HU" is mind-blowing to me.
Vladel Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,514 posts Joined: Feb, 2008
Posted - 2015/07/31 : 06:32:15
With the popularity/unpopularity of hardcore, i guess it's hard to explain how it seems to have come about but i flatly blame the futureworld boys. Dubstep fans are never going to like hardcore and casual listeners to hardcore could have been largely put off by it (i know a few). It may take years to shrug off the damage these self serving idiots did to the scene by driving away the casual listeners, and it's not going to get better with download sites being full of shit at a percentage of 90%. Where it comes to HU, you have to have a certain level of interest to know who they are. That's why the casual listener misses the whole point and it is underground, it's in the name, should we really complain when we get what we want?
Yeah sure things could be bigger and we could have more listeners, but then the top tier would be all over it and HU would be ruined. Let them twats who are too good for their listeners have their scene and we will have ours for as long as it lasts because it's the purity that counts and i'd rather have a small scene i love than a huge one i hate.
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Captain Triceps Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,184 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2015/07/31 : 09:57:54
quote:Originally posted by Vladel:
With the popularity/unpopularity of hardcore, i guess it's hard to explain how it seems to have come about but i flatly blame the futureworld boys. Dubstep fans are never going to like hardcore and casual listeners to hardcore could have been largely put off by it (i know a few). It may take years to shrug off the damage these self serving idiots did to the scene by driving away the casual listeners, and it's not going to get better with download sites being full of shit at a percentage of 90%. Where it comes to HU, you have to have a certain level of interest to know who they are. That's why the casual listener misses the whole point and it is underground, it's in the name, should we really complain when we get what we want?
Yeah sure things could be bigger and we could have more listeners, but then the top tier would be all over it and HU would be ruined. Let them twats who are too good for their listeners have their scene and we will have ours for as long as it lasts because it's the purity that counts and i'd rather have a small scene i love than a huge one i hate.
Torpex Advanced Member
Poland
824 posts Joined: Nov, 2005
Posted - 2015/07/31 : 14:36:09
quote:Originally posted by Triquatra:
Do you think it's a case that people just don't buy CDs....or has hardcore just fallen off the radar and nobody really knows what it is anymore
I didn't want to come across as bitter, it just hit me as a genuine surprise. CDs are obviously collectibles and a way to say "here scene/artist, have my money". Their value as actual music media is, um, questionable. The 1st thing I do is rip them to flac. For some idiotic reason there's no easily accessible usb/aux in in our car's stereo, so the CDs make a bit more sense in my case, but then it's still easier to rip 3 CDs and burn them as mp3s to a single disc. Either way, CD = useless without the collector/fan value.
Even so, having to decide whether you should press 750 or 1500 copies of the only scene-wide compilation, available easier than ever before, is... worrying. :/ Add what CDJay is saying about the hassle or the whole project compared to, say, artist albums, and the thing starts to make very little sense business-wise. Sure, you can be the paladin of the music 24/7, living off the positive energy of 750 people, but life's shown that it doesn't work very well in the long term. The business side of things needs to make sense too.
@CDJay: are you going to come up with shareable video/audio trailer for HU7? I feel it's super important to provide those nowadays. People won't really notice static cover art and are too lazy to go through a preview playlist.
trippnface Advanced Member
United States
1,654 posts Joined: Jan, 2010
Posted - 2015/07/31 : 16:33:14
quote:Originally posted by Vladel:
With the popularity/unpopularity of hardcore, i guess it's hard to explain how it seems to have come about but i flatly blame the futureworld boys. Dubstep fans are never going to like hardcore and casual listeners to hardcore could have been largely put off by it (i know a few). It may take years to shrug off the damage these self serving idiots did to the scene by driving away the casual listeners, and it's not going to get better with download sites being full of shit at a percentage of 90%. Where it comes to HU, you have to have a certain level of interest to know who they are. That's why the casual listener misses the whole point and it is underground, it's in the name, should we really complain when we get what we want?
Yeah sure things could be bigger and we could have more listeners, but then the top tier would be all over it and HU would be ruined. Let them twats who are too good for their listeners have their scene and we will have ours for as long as it lasts because it's the purity that counts and i'd rather have a small scene i love than a huge one i hate.
Posted - 2015/07/31 : 17:19:58
You should definitely explore digital downloads. I'm in the US and initially was looking for the download links. Had to wait for the CDs to be shipped to me in Brooklyn instead. Though that didn't take too long. But many people probably don't want to have to rip them then hold on to the physical. There's honestly not much retaining value in them.
Back in the day, metal and rock CDs used to have cool content, pics, full lyrics to every track. These days, they only have a track listing. I'd rather just have a download link instead. And you guys don't have to mull whether to order another pressing and maybe sell 200 out of the second 750 order. Much more flexibility, and you'll save on postage costs to America :)
CDJay Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,049 posts Joined: Nov, 2001
Posted - 2015/07/31 : 17:41:21
The problem is that it has been, repeatedly, proven that digital albums just don't sell.
If we try to offer the option, it will just end up making things ever less sustainable.
In the near-future we're going to tie digital rights to CD purchases, which means that people don't have to wait for CDs to arrive but still ultimately get it for the collection.
Further in the future I suspect we'll move to a deluxe limited run model for high profile projects, and digital for the rest. Hard to say.
I didn't mean to cast a doom and gloom over things; frankly being able to shift 1000 CDs of *anything* new, at the moment, is quite an accomplishment!
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