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Mansy
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 Posted - 2016/08/17 : 10:16:56
Looks to me like Ham is going to be slapping his ham on how many people will go for this!
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Cyrax
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Posted - 2016/08/17 : 11:59:14
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Originally posted by robertybob:
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by Cyrax:
I will wait for Samination to fileshare them
No, that was some other blonde swede who does that :P
10 HHC.com members give Samination ?10, he buys the tracks from Ham and passes them on the 10. Simple!
I wouldn't do this, but it did cross my mind that you could get 20 people to club together and get them that way
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2016/08/17 : 12:37:30
He has said that it won't work if he doesn't stick to the original plan. 100 people will pay 100 pounds and only they will be allowed the music, because at that price they'd be unlikely to share them online. I'd love the tracks but I simply don't have 100 quid to spend on ten .wav files, and I'm certain I'm not the only one.He can do what he wants of course, but there will now be hundreds of genuine fans wanting his music who will be missing out. Not everyone is a filesharer. But one of the lucky 100 might be, or might innocently do a copy for a mate that again gets copied and shared with their mates. Maybe someone will make too many copies for himself to play and has one nicked and doesn't even notice.
Also it's a little patronising to be told that people are happy to spend hundreds of pounds in the pub or on iPhone apps and the like. Those are likely the sort of people who don't pay for music anyway, or who are simply loaded.
I'm not saying he should do it for nothing, or even next to nothing. I just think it's a little unfair that people who have been fans for years, decades even, can't enjoy the music because it is prohibitively expensive.
Maybe he will put up a free mix or something.
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Samination
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Posted - 2016/08/17 : 12:42:23
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Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
He has said that it won't work if he doesn't stick to the original plan. 100 people will pay 100 pounds and only they will be allowed the music, because at that price they'd be unlikely to share them online. I'd love the tracks but I simply don't have 100 quid to spend on ten .wav files, and I'm certain I'm not the only one.He can do what he wants of course, but there will now be hundreds of genuine fans wanting his music who will be missing out. Not everyone is a filesharer. But one of the lucky 100 might be, or might innocently do a copy for a mate that again gets copied and shared with their mates. Maybe someone will make too many copies for himself to play and has one nicked and doesn't even notice.
Also it's a little patronising to be told that people are happy to spend hundreds of pounds in the pub or on iPhone apps and the like. Those are likely the sort of people who don't pay for music anyway, or who are simply loaded.
I'm not saying he should do it for nothing, or even next to nothing. I just think it's a little unfair that people who have been fans for years, decades even, can't enjoy the music because it is prohibitively expensive.
Maybe he will put up a free mix or something.
well he said that he is willing to lower the price as long as he meets his 100 person goal.
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2016/08/17 : 12:48:04
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Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
I'm not saying he should do it for nothing, or even next to nothing. I just think it's a little unfair that people who have been fans for years, decades even, can't enjoy the music because it is prohibitively expensive.
Maybe he will put up a free mix or something.
Of course you'll hear the music. Most of the 100 people will feature at least one track in every mix they do until the day they die!
This is exactly why its clear its not aimed at the listeners. The way I see it is it appeals to the DJs looking for some seriously exclusive music &, going by some of his other comments, producers.
Its very easy to be blinded by the asking price but it all depends on what you aim to gain from backing it.
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Cyrax
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Posted - 2016/08/17 : 13:19:59
I know music is entirely subjective but the expectations on how good the tracks will be is set very high.
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2016/08/17 : 13:22:16
It's aimed at anyone who is willing and able to chuck a hundred pounds his way. The money is to justify his costs.
I'm positive someone will do a mix featuring all the tracks, if he doesn't do it himself. I'd be happy enough to hear that. It's just a bit of a shame I'll never be able to play one out or include one in a mix of my own.
By the way, what I'm saying isn't meant to be some kind of dig at Ham or anyone else, I'm not bitter, I guess I'm just a tad disappointed.
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Cyrax
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Posted - 2016/08/17 : 14:30:21
I'm interested in doing it but worried that I won't like the tracks, I know his productions levels are top notch and I'm a massive fan of his drum and bass, but there are lots of tracks out there by producers I love that I don't like, would hate to pay ?100.00 and only like potentially 2 of the tracks on the album!
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Bring Me Round To Love
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Posted - 2016/08/17 : 14:44:59
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhcuivlIe-g
Sorry DJ Ham that ship has already sailed and you jumped
100 quid? Nah would rather have the Raver Baby back catalogue for free.
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SparkzMusic
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Posted - 2016/08/17 : 15:31:24
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Originally posted by Ken Masters:
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Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
I'm not saying he should do it for nothing, or even next to nothing. I just think it's a little unfair that people who have been fans for years, decades even, can't enjoy the music because it is prohibitively expensive.
Maybe he will put up a free mix or something.
Of course you'll hear the music. Most of the 100 people will feature at least one track in every mix they do until the day they die!
This is exactly why its clear its not aimed at the listeners. The way I see it is it appeals to the DJs looking for some seriously exclusive music &, going by some of his other comments, producers.
Its very easy to be blinded by the asking price but it all depends on what you aim to gain from backing it.
What makes you think any dj's who want exclusives to play need Ham's music? There's more decent tracks out there than ever. There's more producers than ever making quality tracks which means most dj's will know several producers and be able to get pre release exclusives before the masses get them on release date.
The scene isn't a cash cow for a reason. It means people do mixes with the awesome tracks that are about now, introduce others to tracks they might never hear otherwise, link them to the artists and where to download or buy that track. Which means decent quality artists who put hours, days, weeks, months and even years into the hardcore scene get more publicity which makes the long hours of unpaid production all worth it.
Ham's idea is very backwards. It's not 1997 again where if you heard a track you loved, the only way of hearing it would be to fast forward a helter skelter tape, listen to it, rewind and play it again.
It should be about consistent progress. Not coming back, doing something which makes him money and then vanishing again from the scene.
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Vladel
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Posted - 2016/08/17 : 15:58:53
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
He has said that it won't work if he doesn't stick to the original plan. 100 people will pay 100 pounds and only they will be allowed the music, because at that price they'd be unlikely to share them online. I'd love the tracks but I simply don't have 100 quid to spend on ten .wav files, and I'm certain I'm not the only one.He can do what he wants of course, but there will now be hundreds of genuine fans wanting his music who will be missing out. Not everyone is a filesharer. But one of the lucky 100 might be, or might innocently do a copy for a mate that again gets copied and shared with their mates. Maybe someone will make too many copies for himself to play and has one nicked and doesn't even notice.
Also it's a little patronising to be told that people are happy to spend hundreds of pounds in the pub or on iPhone apps and the like. Those are likely the sort of people who don't pay for music anyway, or who are simply loaded.
I'm not saying he should do it for nothing, or even next to nothing. I just think it's a little unfair that people who have been fans for years, decades even, can't enjoy the music because it is prohibitively expensive.
Maybe he will put up a free mix or something.
well he said that he is willing to lower the price as long as he meets his 100 person goal.
that just means it's purely financial
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DjZelous
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Posted - 2016/08/17 : 17:13:06
For the price, he might as well get this made as a cd or even a limited double vinyl! I would not pay 100 pounds for files that live in my hard drive
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arpz
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Posted - 2016/08/17 : 18:02:36
Agree or disagree, people are being proper twats about it. There's guys on there talking about pooling together to get it cheap or 100% that it deserves to be leaked. It really should be - if you are prepared to pay for it, buy it, if you're not, then don't and move on.
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djDMS
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Posted - 2016/08/17 : 18:57:57
Yeah, no need for anybody to be a dick about it.
If you don't like it, don't get involved.
I don't agree, so i won't be buying it for various reasons.
BUT, it doesn't warrant a lot of the shite i've read about it.
Ham has always been one of my favourite producers - that hasn't changed.
If he makes a load of money out of it, it'll go some way towards making up for the rubbish recognition he's had over the years (still no idea why he was so criminally overlooked).
If people get on board, lovely. I won't spoil their fun
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The drunken scotsman
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Posted - 2016/08/17 : 19:29:12
Maybe he was overlooked for overpricing himself?
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