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Bring Me Round To Love
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 Posted - 2016/08/19 : 11:14:26
I bet he doesn't ask the dnb heads if they would like a 100 pound album
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arpz
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 Posted - 2016/08/19 : 11:31:31
You're missing the point, read Luna-C's post again.
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Samination
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Posted - 2016/08/19 : 11:50:57
Well I made a post to that statement, that I wouldn't mind paying more for an album but tbh I would rarelly go past 30 quid, especially for only 10 tracks (I could easily use that money on hardewr to get japanese stuff and still get the same enjoyment of it).
Anyways, the other thing I said that I hope he understand that people missed him, no matter how much they intended to spend on him (it wasn't about the money right?).
But to be honest, it's like a worker on a company. He learns a new machine and leaves another for 5-6 years. Gets ask to run the old machine, and then asks for a raise. (The part about walking between machines has happened to me more than once at my work, but I didn't ask for a raise because I was still being paid for have learned the old machine!).
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Cyrax
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Posted - 2016/08/19 : 12:01:33
Yeah i signed up in the end, I'm hoping it will be awesome due to his track record and smashing DnB productions, if it's not i'll do 10 Freeform remixes with the Stems!
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2016/08/19 : 12:08:21
Fair play, he's done it. New hardcore from Ham. I'm not nearly as excited as I wish I could be, but maybe it will inspire him to chuck out the occasional hardcore track from time to time. I'm happy at least that it's happening, disappointed that I can't be a part of it, but that's my problem, not his or anyone else's.
The one thing I have to wryly smile at are those vehemently insisting that it is a completely fair price for a non physical album, and justifying spending that money with the reasons Ham himself has given for charging that much. You bought it because you wanted to and because you could, say no more. If you want it that badly or can afford to just spend the money like that, then yeah it's fair.
I spend more then I should on northern soul and reggae vinyl, usually just for one track, and even represses are overpriced, I don't think it's fair but I still pay for it. I play them quite a lot when DJing, not all of them every weekend, but they get used regularly so I can justify it. Would I play all the Ham tracks all the time, in every mix? No, not likely, no matter how good they are. That's why I didn't chuck a hundred notes his way. Fair play to anyone that does and gets a hundred pounds worth of use out of them.
I look forward, at least, to reading the feedback and hearing some clips or something.
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arpz
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Posted - 2016/08/19 : 12:19:11
If you look at it from his point of view, it's probably more like 'I'll spend 6 months making this so I want ten grand for my time'. Then it's just a case of choosing how many people vs how much money. If it was ?200 for 50 people, I probably wouldn't have gone for it, though I would've happily gone for it at any other price point/exclusivity factor going the other way. Perhaps this 100 people, 100 pounds is the point that he thought too many people wouldn't/couldn't pay.
It's definitely a high price but it is fair because things are worth what people are willing to pay for them. I can't wear a Rolex because I can't afford one but I don't think that's unfair, it's just the way it is.
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2016/08/19 : 12:25:39
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Originally posted by arpz:
I can't wear a Rolex because I can't afford one but I don't think that's unfair, it's just the way it is.
If you buy a Rolex and wanted to sell it ten years later, you could.
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arpz
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Posted - 2016/08/19 : 12:26:53
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Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
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Originally posted by arpz:
I can't wear a Rolex because I can't afford one but I don't think that's unfair, it's just the way it is.
If you buy a Rolex and wanted to sell it ten years later, you could.
Well...well.... nah I've got nothing :)
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2016/08/19 : 12:42:38
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
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Originally posted by arpz:
I can't wear a Rolex because I can't afford one but I don't think that's unfair, it's just the way it is.
If you buy a Rolex and wanted to sell it ten years later, you could.
Well...well.... nah I've got nothing :)
I keep seeing people comparing it to buying vinyl back in the day (usually for exaggerated prices). You simply can't compare the two. I could sell all my hardcore vinyl, much of it over 20 years old, granted it might or might not sell for much but I'd still get a few quid. I couldn't sell MP3s in twenty years, no matter how rare or how expensive they were.
Of course bringing this release on any kind of physical format has its costs, and sort of defeats the purpose. Maybe, somehow, he will find a way to eventually (and fairly) get the tracks out to the masses. I don't know how.
I do wish Ham every success with this, and I hope the quality of the music justifies the costs for those who forked out for it!
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Bring Me Round To Love
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Posted - 2016/08/19 : 16:03:19
Ham on feckbook saying its not about the money, come on ;)
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Vladel
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Posted - 2016/08/19 : 16:14:51
He says it's not about the money and then lists a load of reasons why it's about the money.
He could have done 300 for 30 quid etc, he could have done alot of things and i have to say i'm disappointed at how short sighted people have been by paying this ransom because if other producers start charging this much, won't we all be upset? There's been a lot of comments on here about piracy and while i don't hope it gets shared because i wouldn't download it should such a thing happen asi'm against piracy, but i do hope it turns out to be a flop. People can say that is negative but a project like this being sucessful is like i said earlier a dangerous possibility by making the music a premium service. The worst case scenario for me is a bunch of great tracks floating around 100 people never to be owned by anyone else. There is a deep sadness in that akin to the darwin toytown remix, ie to know it exists and never have a chance to have it.
I understand the man has got to make his money despite saying it is not about money if it wasn't he could do it for free to say thankyou to all the people that have supported in during his time in hardcore and beyond but this is clearly about money.
Ham is right that it hasn't been done before and i pray it doesn't happen again and for that i have to hope this falls on its arse for the good of the scene.
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trippnface
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Posted - 2016/08/19 : 16:32:15
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Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
"time-proven-anthem-production-genre-defining engineer come back on a passion derived whim"
Where's the passion?
You should know more than most that a lot of artists gave up with core partly because they hated the new direction. Another reason I have heard from the people themselves is they don't mind the new scene but technology has surpassed them and they wouldn't know how to make the newer sound.
Ham has done nothing towards the scene for many years. Drum and bass is very different to hardcore so how do you know that this "10k" pot for 6 months of studio work wouldn't be 5 months of getting used to producing the newer hardcore sound and 1 month to get 10 tracks made? Why should the consumer pay someone else's bills while they get used to making a genre of music for a 1 off release?
It wouldn't be half as bad if there were some sort of clips of the style of production that will be done in the 10 tracks. Yet no, there's nothing at all. Surely 1 day in the studio putting down ideas and showcasing what to expect wouldn't break the bank?
Nope. There's nothing. Just "hello there, i'm Ham, I was a big name, you have my word for ?100 you get 10 awesome tracks".
"verifiable scene legend"..... of the past. Ghostbusters was a classic, legendary film of the past. Does that mean any potential remake was going to be just as legendary? Not at all. Same franchise, same genre (sort of), but it turns out it was for most, a load of shit.
"No respect for talent".... I could argue this all day. There is so much talent out there. More than ever. Much of this talent is wasted. Year after year I hear so many tracks by others, that exceed anything else in the scene. Yes the mastering might sound poor, the eq a bit of a mess but the whole ideas around it are phenomenal.
Do they get "respect for talent" ? For most, no. Do they give a shit? Again, for most, no. They work their day jobs and spend a lot, if not most of their free time in the bedroom studio making tracks for even just 1 or 2 people who stumble across it and give them a thumbs up or comment positively about what they have made. Some have had offers of label signings but have turned it down and chosen to just make free tracks for others to enjoy.
"entitled upstarts begrudging anyone with a fanbase" No names but a 1997 scene name i'm not going to mention has a fanbase. Does that mean all people in the fanbase back then are still part of that fanbase now? No way. Many have overplayed the tracks 10000's of times, moved on with the times and will only play the tracks now and then for old times sake. It's not "entitled upstarts" it's "entitled former big names expectations"
"time-proven-anthem-production-genre-defining engineer come back on a passion derived whim"
"Where's the passion? "
100% this.
This aint Goldilocks; is the porridge hot or cold!!
Passion is passion... not inspired by dollars.... and certainly not a whim....
all said; i have high hopes for everyone that pitched.
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Samination
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Posted - 2016/08/20 : 07:11:37
not a whim? He ****ing tested to see if people really wanted to fork out money for him to make hardcore again? I'm not saying that he shouldn't get paid, but this is testing the fanbase. Some liked it, some didn't, but it still was on a whim.
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Impulse_Response
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Posted - 2016/08/22 : 02:47:48
As much as I'd like to have the album, I can't bring myself to drop 100 pounds on 10 tracks unless I can hear previews. It's too much of a gamble when I could end up not liking any of them. It might be hypocritical of me to say this, though, considering how much I spent on Blu The Roof.
I also can't stand the artificial scarcity. I could see a limited run if it were a physical product, because it would take time and money to repress if necessary, but I can't see it for digital files.
Off topic, I don't understand why people seem to be so obsessed with the idea of a vinyl release. I could see it if it included wav downloads, but otherwise why pay so much for a format that delivers inferior sound quality and will eventually be worn out after too many plays?
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Samination
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Posted - 2016/08/22 : 05:48:45
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Originally posted by Advather:
As much as I'd like to have the album, I can't bring myself to drop 100 pounds on 10 tracks unless I can hear previews. It's too much of a gamble when I could end up not liking any of them. It might be hypocritical of me to say this, though, considering how much I spent on Blu The Roof.
I also can't stand the artificial scarcity. I could see a limited run if it were a physical product, because it would take time and money to repress if necessary, but I can't see it for digital files.
Off topic, I don't understand why people seem to be so obsessed with the idea of a vinyl release. I could see it if it included wav downloads, but otherwise why pay so much for a format that delivers inferior sound quality and will eventually be worn out after too many plays?
For the same reason they say music is devalued. "That's just how it used to work in ages bygone"
vladel: I don't think it will ever catch on. Even if Darren Styles or Gammer did it, considering the demographic of Hardcore. Or do rich people secretly dig Hardcore?
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