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Captain Triceps
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 Posted - 2016/08/22 : 11:09:13
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Originally posted by Advather:
Off topic, I don't understand why people seem to be so obsessed with the idea of a vinyl release. I could see it if it included wav downloads, but otherwise why pay so much for a format that delivers inferior sound quality and will eventually be worn out after too many plays?
Because you're actually getting something physical. Thing is, not everyone even has a turntable, and a lot of DJs now just don't play vinyl. I have a set of decks and even I rarely, if ever, buy new releases on vinyl (and I bloody love playing records!). It would just alienate a different set of people to have a vinyl only release. CD would have been a good idea but that costs money too.
Vinyl being worn out after too many plays really is not an issue though. You'd have to play it a daft amount of times.
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Samination
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Posted - 2016/08/22 : 15:52:59
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Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
Vinyl being worn out after too many plays really is not an issue though. You'd have to play it a daft amount of times.
Well, it only requires a bad needle setting doesnt it? :P
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2016/08/22 : 16:38:38
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Originally posted by Samination:
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Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
Vinyl being worn out after too many plays really is not an issue though. You'd have to play it a daft amount of times.
Well, it only requires a bad needle setting doesnt it? :P
Then that's their own fault.
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DjZelous
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Posted - 2016/08/23 : 03:22:48
Yea for vinyl to get worn you REALLY gotta beat it up quite a bit and vinyl has too have quality atleast as good as a wav file
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ViolonC
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Posted - 2016/08/23 : 20:46:01
I guess a vinyl wouldn't be so damn loud.
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Impulse_Response
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Posted - 2016/08/23 : 21:53:02
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Originally posted by ViolonC:
I guess a vinyl wouldn't be so damn loud.
For the amount of money he is asking, he could consider going a bit beyond and including unmastered files as well as mastered. It shouldn't be out of the question if he is including stems already. I would be a happy man if I could buy unmastered versions of everything from Hardcore Underground, Trackitdown, Bandamp, and all the other places.
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DJ_FunDaBounce
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Posted - 2016/08/24 : 02:26:17
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Originally posted by Advather:
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Originally posted by ViolonC:
I guess a vinyl wouldn't be so damn loud.
For the amount of money he is asking, he could consider going a bit beyond and including unmastered files as well as mastered. It shouldn't be out of the question if he is including stems already. I would be a happy man if I could buy unmastered versions of everything from Hardcore Underground, Trackitdown, Bandamp, and all the other places.
Why?
Mastering isn't always about making it loud. It doesnt even have to involve that in order to enhance a track.
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Impulse_Response
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Posted - 2016/08/24 : 03:44:04
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Why?
Mastering isn't always about making it loud. It doesnt even have to involve that in order to enhance a track.
How many hardcore tracks (excluding really old stuff, perhaps) can you name that aren't squashed? The simple truth is that in today's music world, including electronic stuff, mastering is synonymous with loud. If someone doesn't do that then good for them, but in almost every case, mastering means loud. I see this on pro releases, amateur releases (e.g. soundcloud and bandcamp), and almost all doujin stuff. I will be very surprised if this album turns out to not be a loudness war casualty, if I even get to hear it because of the exclusivity.
Mastering may in reality be about using SUBTLE adjustments for perfection, but that doesn't matter if no one does that. Also, people can easily get a free DAW and do a little bit of simple EQ and compression if they want to adjust for a particular sound. As I said, he is already offering to provide the stems for complete remixing, so it seems like he is trying to allow room for creative freedom. Providing an unmastered option would provide another avenue.
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Cyrax
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Posted - 2016/08/24 : 10:40:08
With Ham doing so much DnB and how good he is at production, he or whoever he gets to do the masters will obviously be sick, I would not want unmastered WAVS in this case.
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Samination
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Posted - 2016/08/24 : 13:02:56
I highly doubt it will be St.Anger Loud :P
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trippnface
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Posted - 2016/08/24 : 14:23:56
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I highly doubt it will be St.Anger Loud :P
the lord thanks me for stopping listening to metallica after master of puppets.
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DJ_FunDaBounce
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Posted - 2016/08/24 : 16:06:59
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Originally posted by Advather:
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Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
Why?
Mastering isn't always about making it loud. It doesnt even have to involve that in order to enhance a track.
How many hardcore tracks (excluding really old stuff, perhaps) can you name that aren't squashed? The simple truth is that in today's music world, including electronic stuff, mastering is synonymous with loud. If someone doesn't do that then good for them, but in almost every case, mastering means loud. I see this on pro releases, amateur releases (e.g. soundcloud and bandcamp), and almost all doujin stuff. I will be very surprised if this album turns out to not be a loudness war casualty, if I even get to hear it because of the exclusivity.
Mastering may in reality be about using SUBTLE adjustments for perfection, but that doesn't matter if no one does that. Also, people can easily get a free DAW and do a little bit of simple EQ and compression if they want to adjust for a particular sound. As I said, he is already offering to provide the stems for complete remixing, so it seems like he is trying to allow room for creative freedom. Providing an unmastered option would provide another avenue.
OK. I see where you're coming from. and I agree to an extent. The thing is that imo, if a track is properly Mastered, that additional polish ends up playing a big role on how the song will be remembered, no matter what the genre.
I think calling it "loudness maximizing" would be more appropiate a term for what you describe most releases are getting done to them.
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ArdcorePower
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Posted - 2016/08/27 : 16:55:14
I'll start off by saying the obvious DJ Ham is an absolute legend one of my favourite oldskool hardcore producers, I do like some of his productions post 96, but by then I wasn't really into what he was making around that period(well, lots of it anyways) pretty much full fledged into the harder beats by that period.
So, if this was like happy breakbeat/94-96 4 beat hardcore I would be all over it. I don't like lots of the newer stuff enough to fork out that much money to maybe only like two tracks, of course it would be like a collectors type thing and something special for those, but it's also digital and there could be that chance someone might leak it.. but thinking about it.. it's expensive! and the person would be an absolute idiot to do so, because those people wouldn't do the same for them that's for sure... so if you want to give your money away just send me a PM and I can give you my Pay Pal details :P haha anywho..
For the ones who like all the sounds he's put out then I guess it'll be worth it to you's, it's not something I'm willing to shell out 200 dollars for and what if I'm not digging any of the tracks at all? (yeah 100 pounds would be 200 my money)
I can totally see how it would be good for some, but I can see both sides, either way I got no issues with Ham doing this, I just don't see myself doing that. So, to the ones who are I hope it's wicked for yas... it'll be something special not too many others have. Hopefully nobody leaks it too (you never know, after all it's the internet we're talkin about here lol)
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sebastianNL
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Posted - 2016/08/28 : 17:16:52
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Originally posted by Samination:
vladel: I don't think it will ever catch on. Even if Darren Styles or Gammer did it, considering the demographic of Hardcore. Or do rich people secretly dig Hardcore?
There is a difference here compared to Gammer/Styles doing the same, and that is Ham was not active in hardcore anymore. Although I find it quite expensive, it was an easy decision: no Ham tracks or expensive tracks, so I am in :). If Sy & Unknown would offer something like this I would easily pay even more!
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2016/08/29 : 00:18:22
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Originally posted by sebastianNL:
If Sy & Unknown would offer something like this I would easily pay even more!
Yeah, you'd probably need more then just money to make this happen.
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