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HARRIBO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRlskR3wuU&eurl=
Smoogie Classic!
Charco My thoughts exactly...haha

Commercialisation in action.
Underloop Oh noes, Ned is still cative by the evil Donny Osmong!!!
MegaJynx For increased record sales, insert gabber here :P

That was awesome :D My thoughts is I don't mind commercialisation at ALL as long as it doesn't affect the quality of the music or kill the scene.
XenatR im a bit slow.. this was taking the piss out the the upcoming release of clsm and d.o. right?
MegaJynx
quote:
Originally posted by XenatR:
im a bit slow.. this was taking the piss out the the upcoming release of clsm and d.o. right?


In a nutshell, CLSM is scared that commercialisation, artists that are money driven, cheap gimmics posed as hardcore, and placing other genres (mainly gabber, which I personally have no problem with) into happy hardcore mixes will slowly kill hardcore. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.
XenatR
quote:
Originally posted by MegaJynx:
quote:
Originally posted by XenatR:
im a bit slow.. this was taking the piss out the the upcoming release of clsm and d.o. right?


In a nutshell, CLSM is scared that commercialisation, artists that are money driven, cheap gimmics posed as hardcore, and placing other genres (mainly gabber, which I personally have no problem with) into happy hardcore mixes will slowly kill hardcore. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.




if he thinks that then why is he commercialising it by releasing a tune with donny osmond?

or is that fake
Brian K haha

poor ned
Samination rofl, noticed that they'r slagging of JAKAZiD there :P
Jimmygoat wow, this might suprise you but there is a hardcore remix of cillit bang, james bond theme, put your hands up for detroit (hardcore) etc just to name a few- shit records have already watered down hardcore leading peoples perception of it to be shit.

Did you watch the video- XenatR? You crack me up- yes that is the real Donny Osmonds- Hardcore is a brighter place with your comments!! lol
DJ Phoenix
quote:
Originally posted by XenatR:
if he thinks that then why is he commercialising it by releasing a tune with donny osmond?

or is that fake



that is fake - it was a piss take

CLSM are right, though, in my opinion anyway. It's really starting to piss me off as to how many new 'Hardcore' CDs that are coming out.
Ministry of Sound can f*ck right off as well, as they are the main culprates. I mean there's ANOTHER Helter Skelter CD coming out now!

I find it quite funny that i can walk past some of the chavs in my area with my HTID hoody on, and they don't even look my way as if to say 'oh cool, he likes Hardcore too' - because they don't even know what the HTID logo IS!

And whilst i'm at it, what's with all the twats on Bebo that say they LOVE HARDCORE YEAH MAN, and when you look at their list next to it, it always has the likes of Rankin, Cammy, Faiz etc etc.

Give it 5 years and this scene will be so polluted with crap that none of the regulars will be here anymore, and we would have all moved on to different styles
Da Cunney Bugz reckon in 3-4 years time hardcore wil be completely dif, but we wil kid ourselves into lovin it coz we luv bein unique :)
DarrenJ ROLF :D
Im_British To be fair to JAKAZiD he actually prefers to produce proper good quality hardcore - Hes said many times in interviews that hes still suprised with the popularity of the Cillit bang remix and just refers to it as 'sampling fun'.

What Im trying to say here is that its not 100% fair to put JAKAZiD in the same box as Cammy and Rankin because he intended it as a laugh and he'd much rather be a sucsess though his normal work.
XenatR jakazid - sunrise is a fakkin choon!
Hard2Get The piano in the CLSM tune sounds really nice!

I'm really pleased about that though, it's good to see though that not everyone in the scene is comforming to commercialisation!
DiGiC IMO The Hardcore euphoria was the biggest beginning of the end album ever and alot of scence kids bum off it, and hardcore classics too, when was the last time helter skelter even held an event? Why do people know of the name helter skelter? Cos they went o the internet n heard that it was one of hardcore's high points n decided to bum it too. I've loved hardcore for a few years now and ill love it for aslong as there is still a few decent artists n tunes going around but the scence will eventually fill up with non scence dire remixs like cascada's bull and other stuff, when that day comes where its all like that it'll be a VERY sad day but atleast the decent stuff will be underground
jenks
quote:
Originally posted by DJ Phoenix:

CLSM are right, though, in my opinion anyway. It's really starting to piss me off as to how many new 'Hardcore' CDs that are coming out.
Ministry of Sound can f*ck right off as well, as they are the main culprates. I mean there's ANOTHER Helter Skelter CD coming out now!



I little reasoning would be nice :p

quote:
I find it quite funny that i can walk past some of the chavs in my area with my HTID hoody on, and they don't even look my way as if to say 'oh cool, he likes Hardcore too' - because they don't even know what the HTID logo IS!


So what? Hardcore isn't a club, and if it was, recognising the HTID logo certainly wouldn't be a membership requirement!
MegaJynx I find it funny that everyone thinks that hardcore is in danger because it might CHANGE!!! god forbid ... Hardcore has been the one genre to take on SO many different styles, that they should just call it hodge podge hardcore or something. I can easily see it being in danger from greedy corperations and crap tunes, but new styles shouldn't be instantly rejected. Sure people from other genre's are slowly introducing their styles into hardcore (cascada), but it's still stayin within the realms of hardcore. Perhaps the way I think is because I discovred hardcore shy of two years ago, and I don't care for the older styles.
jenks ^^ The thing that annoys people, is the idea that some artist will compromise their music just to make it more commercially successful, in other words - doing it for the money and not the music.
MegaJynx
quote:
Originally posted by jenks:
^^ The thing that annoys people, is the idea that some artist will compromise their music just to make it more commercially successful, in other words - doing it for the money and not the music.



Ok, now THAT is what is killing the scene.
Doc_Oxygen This expresses my thoughts exactly. The commercialization of hardcore is a scary thing for me, people are trying to cash in on hardcores newfound populatarity and through this are watering down the scene. Tracks are going to turn very quickly to garbage if this continues as the scene is still very small and the current producers variably have a monopoly on what gets released and played. This has bothered me for a while, and i keep my fingers crossed that nothing more happens on this front, because it would invariably spell out the death of the scene.
SCOOTHTID hahaha
Samination
quote:
Originally posted by jenks:
^^ The thing that annoys people, is the idea that some artist will compromise their music just to make it more commercially successful, in other words - doing it for the money and not the music.



Refering to this post, people would still slag me for saying that Scott Brown' shits sounds the same, and I dont need to mentioned Raver Baby crew right? =P
Sk8SiM ahaha! I've been saying all this shit since day one guys!

to be honest i'm getting bored of it... just like i did UK hardcore praticlly almost a year ago! lol

I think you guys should know by now, my pradictions are almost always right... i pradicted all this ******** back then... and now your all sitting here talking about it, while me and a few others have been ranting about this ALL GOD DAMB YEAR!!!
and all we ever got in return was norrowmindedness! people thought we was in fact digging at the scene and artists themselfs rather then expressing an extremly important point!

So with that... 100% respect to CLSM! nice job boys! You've finally got people listening! Cuse me and the others voices havn't been powerful enough! Hey, I'm just a guy from a shithole known as birmingham! haha! no one could give a shit!

But indeed... give it a few years and alot of old timers will be wiping there arse with hardcore - FACT!

Enough is enough you know
I just find it funny how people expect this not to happen lol... you really think something could go commercail and not have people cash in!

holly crap - and now you probs understand while pps like me wanted a scene like hardcore to remain underground!
Brian K you didn't predict anything, this has happened before and I'm sure it will happen again
95_was_the_time chavs and hardcore-comercialism = death to teh scene.

shall I tell you where the real scene is at? or should you know by now? ok I'll tell you. It's the 'squate juice' guys, call em tramps, call them greasy crusty pissfaces but don't call them ravers... ravers are now clearly clubbers/chavs.

and for music, upfront hardcore will never be REAL 'rave' music, real rave music is being made on labels like...........well, you know that 'hardcore projectz' online vinyl shop? all the ****ing lables on there basically. the chavs won't go near it because it is pure 100% rave.
jenks
quote:
Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:

shall I tell you where the real scene is at? or should you know by now?



If the 'real scene' is full of dickheads like you I don't want anything to do with it, you're more annoying than any chav I've ever met.

I can't believe you don't realise how sad you are, you've already stated that you'd stop listening to hardcore breaks if chavs started listening to it, how pathetic is that? You know some people are part of the 'scene' just for the music, they aren't particularly bothered about its image or wether it's 'real rave' or not. People like this music for what it is, music. It could be underground or on TOTP it makes no difference to most people, can't you just accept that not everyone is as shallow as you are?

I'll stop listening when I think it's shit, at the minute I don't think it is, or is likely to be... on the other hand I'll start listening to hardcore breaks more if/when its good, in my opinion it's not there yet, could be because it isn't at its best at the min or because it isn't really my thing... regardless, I'll listen to what I like no matter how popular or unpopular it is, personally I'd rather let my own preferences dictate what music I listen to rather than some over opinionated tit on an internet forum.

If you pick your music by who else listens to it or who doesn't then I pitty you, but each to their own eh?
Xenochrome
quote:
Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
upfront hardcore will never be REAL 'rave' music



Oh please, oh mighty god of hardcore, give us your definition of "real rave music"!

























This should be good for a laugh.

95_was_the_time you talk a big load of ****ing shit i ****ing hate you when ever you ****ing reply to my messages, please stop follwing me around you stupid wanker. everything in that post you have said is WRONG...

where in my post did I mention 'hardcore breaks'? go on... ****ing look for that word. so why bring it up, I mentioned an online record shop (Im suprised thick shits like you didn't think i was just spamming it). the record shop has what I and the majority of real ravers call real rave/hardcore.

what you are listening to USED to be hardcore, it evolved to become un-hardcore by the time scouse house lovers got into it.

to be honest, if you are into any sort of 'hardcore' music and you wear shit clothes (like burrbery and addidas trackies) you are clearly trying to kill the scene. I want the scene to be full of cool people so when people go up to me in public and ask 'so, what sort of music do you like?' and you go 'hardcore' they aren't all like 'ooohwerrrr, chavvy music then?'

****in pricks

and by the way, why would I give a flying **** about opinions? what I told ya weren't even an opinion it was a fact. I've been into rave music since i was 14 so I think i know what i'm ****ing talking about. I KNOW when somthing or some type of social group could kill a scene.

I think hixxy is a bellend now, I remember talking to him at a rave about bonkers1&2 and how they could never be defeated, and he just starred at me... I couldn't beleive it. a few other bellends in the scene are darren styles who makes 'softcore' and is claiming it's hardcore and he's real 'hardcore to the bone' etc. what a ****ing joke. it's fools like him that loose respect after doing somthing fantastic ('force and styles' anyone?)

the whole scene is a JOKE now, it HAS to be, mc storm just goes on any forum slaggin peoples opinions off, ush.net do way to much 'freeform' arse licking, AND i'm probably the only real raver left on planet earth listening to hardcore that has the hardcore sound of 91-94 because that actually IS hardcore. and I'm talking UK there.
jenks
quote:
Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:

the whole scene is a JOKE now, it HAS to be, mc storm just goes on any forum slaggin peoples opinions off,



Ha ha what a ****ing joker you must be, you do realise that YOU do this all the time? Infact every single comment you post seems to be shite like that.

You've been into hardcore since you were 14? About 1999 then. Everyone who actually raved back then says that there have always been chavs in the scene (or the equivelent of), but you wouldn't know would you? Because you weren't there although you seem to like to pretend you were.

Don't you get bored spouting the same crap over and over again?

Xenochrome
quote:
Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
I've been into rave music since i was 14 so I think i know what i'm ****ing talking about.



I don't think that you have a ****ing clue what you are talking about.

Shut the **** up already.

Idiot.

95_was_the_time so because i was into hardcore at 14 yeah? why were you into hardcore when you werre 0? you ****ing prick.

oh and don't tell me to shut up, shut the **** up your self.
Charco **Grabs a chair and sits by the wall - out of the way....watching patiently**

- - - Popcorn? Anyone?
Brian K
quote:
Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
chavs and hardcore-comercialism = death to teh scene.



so if we add commercialism to chavs and hardcore we can still save the scene, awesome!

quote:

where in my post did I mention 'hardcore breaks'?


quote:

real rave music is being made on labels like...........well, you know that 'hardcore projectz' online vinyl shop?



you apparently didn't get the memo:

hardcore projectz = hardcore breakz

if you hate new hardcore then why do you even bother posting here anymore? do you enjoy the attention, or do you just think you're elite because you listen to music that several people on here listen to?

I thought you were going to b2vos? haven't seen you on there =P
Brian K
quote:
Originally posted by Charco:
- - - Popcorn? Anyone?



got any twizlers?

Xenochrome
quote:
Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
so because i was into hardcore at 14 yeah?



You were 14 in what? 1999? By that time I had already been DJ'ing and promoting for several years, so forgive me if I don't consider you the utmost authority on "real rave music".

Besides that, there is the simple fact that you still feel the need to act like an ignorant cock on here whenever you post. We've had 13 year olds on here that were able to communicate and express their opinions with more intelligence than you seem to be able to.

With that being said...Shut the **** up already, dick smudge.

Taiko 95 does appear to be a few clowns short of a circus.

To borrow a line from a stand-up comedy show, then badly mutate it to fit the current topic and persons: "Xenochrome started DJing/promoting because he thought it'd be a pussy magnet. He never thought he'd end up with ****s like 95."
katrinar50
quote:
Originally posted by XenatR:
jakazid - sunrise is a fakkin choon!



where can I listen to a sample of this?
katrinar50
quote:
Originally posted by Brian K:
you didn't predict anything, this has happened before and I'm sure it will happen again



Quoted for truth!!

Has been happening since the beginning and will continue as people step in and out of the 'scene' and it happens in all the other music genres too!
bulby_g Maybe you should start listening to UK Garage mr '95... Everyone who listens to that is really "cool".

SunnyUp huh... guys i just wanna problem rising popularity of hardcore in my ****ing country... huh ^_^
Samination http://www.trackitdown.net/genre/hardcore/track/244745.html

tell me this is a joke? they are slagging of Nukleuz for making money on watered down hardcore, and they upload this track to TrackItDown and it sells at full price? =P
Underloop
quote:
Originally posted by DjSamination:
http://www.trackitdown.net/genre/hardcore/track/244745.html

tell me this is a joke? they are slagging of Nukleuz for making money on watered down hardcore, and they upload this track to TrackItDown and it sells at full price? =P



I think the word yourlooking for is irony
DJ-Pure Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
chavs and hardcore-comercialism = death to teh scene.


Well you are understandably the biggest prick i know.. whey every ones a winner


Sorry that was in no was constructive to the little ass whipping session every one gave him but, hes probly been listening to hardcore for about 14days and noth botherd once thinking or even checking in to the scene.
latininxtc u know it's good 2 know that commercialization can't kill the hardcore scene here in the states cuz it doesn't exist. at least not in Houston, TX. ppl don't know what hardcore is and when i let them listen 2 it, their head feels like it's gonna explode cuz it's too fast 4 them. i do agree that there have been many things that have influenced the scene to change dramatically and it's gonna keep happenin'.
jenks Keep an eye out for the latest Burger King adverts ;)
MegaJynx
quote:
Originally posted by jenks:
Keep an eye out for the latest Burger King adverts ;)



Yea I wanna see the King chillin with The Acolyte :p I still think that hardcore getting attention can't scar it... at least badly.
Xenochrome
quote:
Originally posted by Taiko:
"Xenochrome started DJing/promoting because he thought it'd be a pussy magnet. He never thought he'd end up with ****s like 95."



clarke101
quote:
Originally posted by Xenochrome:
quote:
Originally posted by Taiko:
"Xenochrome started DJing/promoting because he thought it'd be a pussy magnet. He never thought he'd end up with ****s like 95."







Pity it turned you into a willy magnet :p
Xenochrome
quote:
Originally posted by clarke101:
Pity it turned you into a willy magnet :p



I know. I'm just too sexy for my own good.
XenatR
quote:
Originally posted by katrinar50:
quote:
Originally posted by XenatR:
jakazid - sunrise is a fakkin choon!



where can I listen to a sample of this?




http://downloads.imorecords.com/track/?id=3792&gname=Hardcore&gid=5&aname=Anon&tname=Sunrise

there you go
clarke101
quote:
Originally posted by Xenochrome:
quote:
Originally posted by clarke101:
Pity it turned you into a willy magnet :p



I know. I'm just too sexy for my own good.



At least you know you have options
Xenochrome
quote:
Originally posted by clarke101:
At least you know you have options



You trying to chat me up, then?
clarke101
quote:
Originally posted by Xenochrome:
quote:
Originally posted by clarke101:
At least you know you have options



You trying to chat me up, then?



*Waves*

Hi sweetie
Xenochrome Unfortunately, I'm already spoken for.

You should talk to 95_was_the_time
Fish Knight On topic, didn't jakazid make that cilit bang song a long time ago? Everything suggests that he didn't make this just to "cash in". Kinda harsh that he gets shit on for it...
Frieza JAKAZiD really wants to get his 'proper' stuff out there more than anything, but these days nobody pays attention to 'new' artists unless they do something rather off-the-wall, they're too busy listening to Darren Styles or Scott Brown.

Jon Doe isn't really trying to knock the 'ZiD but more the big shot commercial labels that are only interested in finding gimmicky tunes. Lets see the UK History of #1's around XMas and New Year... we have Crazy Frog (shudder) and Mr Blobby! (screams), and this year potentially whatever X-Factor crap that is the 'best of the best' from a huge commercially backed TV Talent Show/Marketing Ploy.

I'm sure if JAKAZiD didn't make this track his music would still fall on largely deaf ears, it's a shame that many do think that Cillit Bang = JAKAZiD fullstop, they're the type of people who just don't explore the scene hard enough and don't know ANY of the more... interesting artists.

But certainly, new artists being 'discovered' from their gimmicky songs. Lets not forget that even big artists make gimmicky songs, hell this thread is about one. Fortuanately, he doesn't have to sell it to a big big label to get noticed.

Flame Flame Argue Argue Flame Flame Argue Argue... And the thread is gone!
Simon Robbie Williams - Angels CLSM remix, all Jon Doe's efforts to get hardcore on Radio 1, John Peel Is Not Enough......Gotta love all the work CLSM have done to throw hardcore into the mainstream
DJ-Pure
quote:
Originally posted by Xenochrome:
Unfortunately, I'm already spoken for.

You should talk to 95_was_the_time



Unfortunatly last thing i saw of 95_was_the_time, was him crawling out of a buffalows ass, hes been in to buffalow bum for 14years.
Dj Esi lol loveing it :D
Compulsion poor ned :(
Rambot Very nice, I liked it.
The inclusion of the queen and monkey are very funny.
Doc_Oxygen Wow, there are a lot of negative vibes kicking around in this thread. I realise I've already given my 2 cents on this topic, but i can't help diving into this again. This makes for my second post in like 2 years!

I don't consider myself an authority on rave, i've only been on the scene for 3-4 years, but i can safely say that i do LOVE hardcore. If people want to make tracks like "cillit bang" its really no problem to me, as a consumer i'm never going to buy the tune and as a dj im never going to play it. To tell the truth i dont think hardcore is commercially viable, i understand that companies are probably going to try and cash in on it but i have faith that scene is obscure enough for it to remain underground.

In Canada at least, hardcore is percieved as just so off the wall that most people don't give it a second thought, and thats the way i like it. After pondering this issue for a bit i changed my mind about what i had said earlier in this post, commercialization of hardcore is really not important, because hardcore (and all the associated subgenres) are generally too ****ed up (by mainstream music conventions) to ever be really taken seriously by anyone other than even the most dedicated of supporters (IE: us on this forum).

But for arguments sake lets say theres a hypothetical doomsday scenario; hardcore is on every channel of FM radio, it gets played at high school dances, you can hear hardcore choonage in the elevator and on car commercials. In short all uniqueness and innovation has been replaced with the same over-produced garbage we see in the mainstream music of today.

What do I do in this situation? Well i would probably get up and go and sit in a dark room with the boys from CLSM, because they'll always be true to the underground.

Peace
Doc Oxygen
Jimmygoat There is no disrespecting Jakazid for Cillit Bang- it was funny and thats what it ws meant to be. This message is about putting money over music ('money over music and the scene is gone' may have given you a clue).

The radio1 thing is a bit deeper than getting mainstream popularity- its about fairness. Radio1 has a thing called a royal charter which basically says 'play stuff that represent the current trends'. One current trend since 99' has been hard dance (which hrdcore is part of). first there was hard house, then hard trance as large genres which has crossfaded over to hardcore- however during this time radio 1 has never had a weekly show to represent any of this despite having around 29 hours of dance music every week for everything else. Its not tht it should be demanded by the ravers themselves, but looking at the bigger picture... when house and trance have their bad years there is the support of radio stations across the nation- so when the music is good again it just takes off (house is a good example in the recent 18 months)- whereas hardcore and hard dance have to struggle for ages to get little or no coverage- commercially this can be answered by stations like kiss who have to sell ads to keep going but not by radio1.

In short-yes hardcore is more commercial now but everything goes in waves, all that needs to happen is some bad selling compilations and the majors wont do them, the vinyl scene is supported by that to some extent and that's when you need things like radio1 there to keep the music out there- just as it is for the other genres.

Back on topic- i paid for my own train fares up to radio1, i took my own time to promote and campain for them to put a show on- none of this was to cash in and if i was t be involved in a gimmik (like cash money) i would make it clear "get your money out your pocket get your wallet out your bag- give me cash cash money i'm a cheap whore slag".

Further to this I feel there is 'good money' (which pushes the scene forward0 and 'bad money' which takes its toll on the scene. Read Hixxy's comments in the next ravin eye. Its not bad to make money out of music but it can be fatal to put the money first (pop music has suffered from this for ages- ticking the right boxes to sell the quantity).
Lunisneko First of all, I agree with the attitude within this video completely. It's true that commercialism has really watered down Hardcore music. But it's not just commercialism to blame. Anyone who thinks there is a "scene" is as much the problem, just like the people who decide that liking Hardcore is what they'll do because that's what's cool. But the one single thing that is "killing" Hardcore the most is the "racism" within hardcore. Everyone believes that Hardcore is one type of music with one specific beat, and a very specific set of synthesizers. This restriction and segregation is what is hurting the Hardcore that you and I love so much most. If I asked each and every one of you to define Hardcore I would not likely find even two people who agreed on one specific definition. Some say Neophyte and the likes are what Hardcore is really about. Others say the hard trance style that Hixxy is so fond of is what Hardcore really is. Yet others say that only the Underground Hardcore DJs are deserving of the "Hardcore" style. But is that really what Hardcore is about? Is that really the "scene" that John Peel, may he rest in peace, took a chance promoting so long ago? What makes someone or something more Hardcore than the next? Hardcore is not so much a music but a group of styles. Styles backed by DJs willing to take a chance on music that they felt many people would likely reject. Do you think that when Gabber or Hardtrance were first starting out that the DJs behind those genres felt that they should produce that type of music because that's what people liked? No. They did it because it's what they liked, it's the music that resounded within them somehow. Just because someone likes an artist you don't like, does that make them less "scene" than you? Where do you think Hardcore would be if "true Hardcore loyals" dropped the slag terms, stayed faithful to Hardcore that's done for the music, buy the good CDs to keep the DJs fed, and went on about their business?
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This has gotten to be a rather long-winded rant, and for that I apologize. The point is, commercialism will always exist. And the point is, there are other things within this "scene" that people should probably worry about more than commercialism.

::EDIT::
quote:
- - - Popcorn? Anyone?

Most certainly :)

::EDIT2::
Well, I admit that I posted this before I finished reading the full thread. Now that I've read it I have to rant once more. I'm tired, so very very tired, of a couple specific things. 1) Girls in Hardcore. Why is it that everything has to fall back to sex for selling? I hate having to look at the cover to Clubland X-treme Hardcore because of the content. What does this half-naked woman have to do with the music within? Nothing. She's just there to get people to buy the CD without knowing what it is. It's a hook. A sharp sharp hook made purely of money(which is why I've ripped my CDs and put them on my MP3 player. No more senseless sexuality.) 2) The idea of a "hardcore scene." It makes me sick to think that the people talking about how much X is "killing the scene" are really as much the culprit because they have to create a "scene" around Hardcore. It's like Emo all over again. 3) I'm so God damned tired of people labelling certain DJs or sets of DJs as less Hardcore then the ones that said people like. I'm tired of people making derogatory comments against gabbers, hard-trancers, darkcore'ers, etc. because they don't like that kind of Hardcore. What makes the Raver Baby crew any less genuine Hardcore than any other? Stop pretending that your definition of Hardcore is the right one just because it's what you like.

"...if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror."
-V
Pope C XXIII
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Originally posted by Lunisneko:
1) Girls in Hardcore. Why is it that everything has to fall back to sex for selling? I hate having to look at the cover to Clubland X-treme Hardcore because of the content. What does this half-naked woman have to do with the music within? Nothing. She's just there to get people to buy the CD without knowing what it is. It's a hook. A sharp sharp hook made purely of money(which is why I've ripped my CDs and put them on my MP3 player. No more senseless sexuality.)


As a stupid, horny teenager who socializes with many more stupider, hornier teenagers, I have no problem with half naked chicks on the covers of albums. Really, so long as the music within is allright, I've got no problem with any of the senseless attempts at getting people to buy the albums. Admittedly, the music inside is a little soft and over polished for my tastes (not to mention unoriginal) in most of those albums, but it's not necessarily bad ('cept all the Hixxy tunes). Any attempt to move people into a cool genre of music is fine by me.

And let's face it, the only EDM genre that's ever been pure is the original Goa style. And it's dead.

Mortis I'm not going to be like everyone else and jump on the "Hardcore High Horse" (mainly for fears that I may fall off, and have you ever stood next to a horse? They're big you know, and made up of mostly muscle. Scarry)

As far as I'm concerned it's a funny video, and well a thought out track. I for one don't care what other people think about the whole "commercialisation = Rankin clones" argument. I like the music, and I will never listen to anything I don't like, full stop. Fact is everything media wise has a commercialisation type sub genre, weither you like it or not. I don't care for the "Chavs in the street listening to Rankin, and not knowing real hardcore if it hit them in the bling bling" argument either.

There will always be people who listen to that kind of music, if you don't like it then you will look else where for a style that suits you, and most of the time the hardcore scene has it. Artists will always find a way to get music out there regardless of some of the greedy small label squashing types.

At the end of the day I still love hardcore music, and I'm sure it will continue to thrive regardless of the "commercialisation".

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