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| Matty K |
Im a raver whos been raving since 94/5. I missed out raving from 1999 to late 2000 due to the lack of events available to go to.
Now Im well back into it, and have alot of time for FD etc etc.
BUT, can somebody tell me what all this freeform malarky is all about??
What is this a spin off from. What does it sound like. Tempo. etc etc.
Chances are I have danced my nuts off to it already without realising.
But just for the record, if you havent understood my question WTF is Freeform??????
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| Oli G |
If youve danced your ass off to sharkey energy k komplex or posibly kaos... you will have heard freeform
Its abou tth esame tempo as hardcore... posibbly 5bpm slower.. rangin around 175 (not when i play it mind)... its more techy.. more flowing... in fact
http://www.ghalebi.co.uk/oli/files/general.ram
Try that for size :)
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| Matty K |
Cheers OliGhalebi, as it turns out, I did know what it's all about but obviously didn't realise it. Yes I have danced to Sharkey, Energy etc... But when I was in my peak of raving (97) this was intoduced to us as "Trancecore", with Billy "Daniel" Bunter leading the break-off, closley followed by Sharkey's debut as a DJ. Anyone know why the name change. Or was it just to confuse me.
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| Oli G |
Yeah i have no idea why it changed.. or weather it did change.. or generaly "what the ****"... but its no known as freeform as far as i know
and i love it
:)
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| Lixx |
It's called freeform because trancecore spawns images of cheesy club trance sped up to hardcore speed, and it isn't anything like that. Plus it incorporates a very wide range of influences from goa to techstep so freeform kinda shows that there's no one definition of how it's supposed to sound. It's annoying how many people call the trance rips on blatant beats and raver baby trancecore, yet another reason to differentiate between the genres.
-Lixx
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| Dj Tripnosis |
wait a minute, i always thought Freeform was Scott Brown kinda style, Dj Kaos does Freeform?
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| Lixx |
Scott Brown isn't freeform technically, just trancy, though some of his stuff does work well in a freeform set. Kaos's Go Mental Dark stuff can be considered freeform
-Lixx
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| Dj Tripnosis |
ah, i see...hmmm so wait, what other songs might you consider to be freeform so i can get a well rounded idea so to say ?
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| Oli G |
Anything on Nu Energy
The newest Bonkers series
take a listen to soundthingys on www.nuenergy.co.uk
Tilz... sharkey. k komplex. kevin energy... helix just some freeform produceeeers
:D
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| Lixx |
Well lets see. Everything on the Nu Energy label, everything on Go Mental Dark, everything on the DATA label. I guess 5-11 on the old Bonkers label. Everything on the new Bonkerz label. Everything on Digital Beats. Around release 12 through the latest (33) on Stompin Choonz. Everything on Romantek and Madness & Mayhem. Much of the stuff on FBI and FEDS is freeform as well but I'm not too familiar with those labels. The A side on Faze Freak 2. The B-side on Ultra Violet 3. The B-sides on JAL Premium 3 and 7. The Sharkey Hardlife LP (React LP 131). I guess all the releases on XY2 and FDN can work with freeform, they're just a bit slower than most. The majority of stuff on GBT and RSR is also freeform, though much of it is on the happier, bouncier tip. That should be plenty to give you an idea. Just head of to www.nuenergy.co.uk and check out the samples. Freeform isn't gonna sound plain trancy like Binary Finary rips or stuff like that, it's got a definite darker, more experimental edge to it and once you start really getting into it you'll understand what I'm saying.
-Lixx
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| Oli G |
The above is an indication of why i should spend more time writing my messages :D
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| DJ-SK8 |
Ok just to clear a couple thing's up, free form is actually Trancecore, it's what newbies call it. I hate the name free form i don't realy know y thoe. So for my sake on this board let's just call it Trancecore, besides it makes more sence that way caus it's Trance & hardcore in 1.
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| Lixx |
Dag nammit, that's my point. It isn't trance and hardcore. That's what the Raver Baby and Blatant Beats stuff is, that's why if trancecore didn't already refer to freeform, it would make sense to call that stuff trancecore. But a lot of freeform is not trancy at all that's why trancecore is an inaccurate or misleading term to describe the entire genre. Trancecore really causes nothing but confusion, so it would make sense for everyone to call it freeform, or just damn good hardcore ;)
-Lixx
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| strychnine |
I think the problem is that "freeform" just sounds like one of those bulls**t prefixes that producers put on their work to make out as if it's some groundbreaking new genre, like "nu-", "tech-", "neo-", et al. When people ask, "WTF is freeform?" and someone plays them a sample, odds are they'll get the impression of it being "trancecore", since many of the sounds employed in freeform were borrowed from trance, and when someone refers to it as "trancecore" it'll sorta make sense.
Also, no one genre has undisputed claim to the unadorned "hardcore" tag. HHC, freeform, gabber all have close ties to that word, such that no genre can be simply called "hardcore". I've noticed that some of you UK peoples refer to HHC as such, but that won't work in other areas because of the popularity of the other hardcore genres (of the gabber family).
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| Tyrant |
i usually call it freeform because a lot of the stuff i play doesn't have the typical trancey sounds... i can see why people might not like the term 'freeform' though. some of the earlier stuff could properly be called Trancecore... (Terranova, Back to the Top, etc...) but then there's tracks like The Bastard which take the hardcore sound in a whole new direction.
anyways its just a name i suppose. the music isn't in the notes
:)
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| strychnine |
Yeah the early stuff is kinda trancey, but I'm glad that it became harder and more experimental as Lixx described it. It's nice to have the variety in the kinds of sounds and samples used, and I love it when a DJ uses it all in his/her set, playing with the different moods and themes and really using them to work the crowd. Makes a nice switch from the constant upliftingness that you sometimes get with HHC.
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| DJ-SK8 |
Ummmm ok howbout we just call it what all the UK producers call it...HARDCORE.
and for the record trancecore is it's origonal name, not free form.
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| Lixx |
Trancecore was the original name but freeform is now the proper one. Yes, it's all just hardcore (<- great track btw) but if we're gonna pigeonhole sounds we might as well do it right.
-Lixx
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| strychnine |
Here in Oz (well, Sydney anyways) it's hard to just say 'hardcore' and expect people to know what you mean. Some people use it to refer to HHC, some take is as meaning both of the non-gabber hardcore genres, and yet for others it is synonymous with gabber and only gabber. It's just practical that we do as Lixx says and pigeonhole the styles properly.
- speccedninja
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| Lusive |
I dont find anything wrong with the name freeform. Problem with freeform is you cant give it a name like hard house or trancecore cause nothing can pidgeon hole it. trancecore is the wrong name for it indeed, now that toytrance has ruined the "trance" name anyways.
if i had to suggest a different name than freeform i'd go with something like chaoscore ("chaotic/end of the world" being the feeling most freeform tends to give me)
yes i know its pretty lame but yeah erm,.....
um.. *looks around* ...
heh... bye
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| happykandykid |
i love freeform. i t's someting that you just dont see everyday.... and it's an awesome break from the "typical" types of music... you can do whatever you want with it. my friend just mixed an awesome set and it's sooooo awesome...
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| Dj Tripnosis |
i still think it's wierd that Kaos did freeform .
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| DJ-SK8 |
Ok Go Mental Dark is not Trancecore, is a slitly updated version of Oldskool Rotterdamn!!! Ppl Just think it's Trancecore caus it's a part of the Nu Energy colective. Kaos and Dj Energy just thought they should get into a different kinduv hardcore. Thats y GMRD2 is an Omen track. Caus The Omen is an Oldskool rotterdam producer/dj.
And Blaten Beets isn't Trancecore Either, it cheescore. I'meen c'mon everybody know's that, just look at "flowers need the rain", and "see me climb", they were both reliesed on Blaten beet's.
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| Tyrant |
kaos has been doing freeform for a while under the Jonny 'go go' alias.
sk8 : just cuz a label's a part of the Nu Energy collective, it doesn't mean that label produces freeform. Whether or not YOU would consider Go Mental Dark to be a freeform label, it *is* a label that will catch freeform djs' attention. And i can certainly think of tracks on labels like Stompin Choonz which sound LESS like trancecore than the Omen rip of Tubular Bells on Go Mental Dark 02. (Tekno Chant, for example)
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| Lixx |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ-SK8:
Ok Go Mental Dark is not Trancecore, is a slitly updated version of Oldskool Rotterdamn!!! Ppl Just think it's Trancecore caus it's a part of the Nu Energy colective. Kaos and Dj Energy just thought they should get into a different kinduv hardcore. Thats y GMRD2 is an Omen track. Caus The Omen is an Oldskool rotterdam producer/dj.
You're right that Go Mental Dark isn't really freeform, more just like dark hardcore, but I find it works better in a freeform set rather than a cheesy or trancier set. The Omen is not the same guy as the dutch producer, cause Bust It on GMRD2 is just a faster mix of the Bust It Like This on Wax Trax done by Jonny Blaze (I'm guessing Kaos) and Jon Doe that came out a month back.
-Lixx
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| Tyrant |
Lixx : from what i've heard, it's unlikely that Jon Doe was involved in Go Mental Dark 02... apparently he was knocking hardcore on USH a while back. But it WOULD be interesting if it was in fact him that teamed up with Kaos to do that Wax Traxx one
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| Lixx |
Well my main point was that The Omen wasn't the same guy as the dutch producer of the same / similar name, but I guess it wouldn't be too hard to just ask around. Does anyone have that record yet? Because sometimes they'll put the artist's real name on it or something like "T. Smith" and it's easy enough to figure out who made the track. Probably don't have it on the promos though. Damnit, enough contradicting myself I'll just email Kaos myself.
-Lixx
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| Oli G |
I have it.. it is Kaos.. :D
surley you could tell by the evil dark n hard bside
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| DJ-SK8 |
quote:
Originally posted by Tyrant:
kaos has been doing freeform for a while under the Jonny 'go go' alias.
sk8 : just cuz a label's a part of the Nu Energy collective, it doesn't mean that label produces freeform. Whether or not YOU would consider Go Mental Dark to be a freeform label, it *is* a label that will catch freeform djs' attention. And i can certainly think of tracks on labels like Stompin Choonz which sound LESS like trancecore than the Omen rip of Tubular Bells on Go Mental Dark 02. (Tekno Chant, for example)
Ok that was my hole point is that just because it's part of the nu energy colective doesn't mean it's Trancecore.
Ppl just think it is because Nu Energy is a Trancecore label, so acording to ppl who don't know shit, the hole colective must be trancecore.
P.S. Hey anybody els notice the amount of aguments that have been started over this thred???
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| Dj Tripnosis |
actually i have noticed and have decided to stay out of it. I say we all just leave it at : Freeform is different to everybody. Sound good?????
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| Lixx |
quote:
Originally posted by DJ-SK8:
P.S. Hey anybody els notice the amount of aguments that have been started over this thred???
None. We've had some informative discussions though
-Lixx
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| Tyrant |
let's all hold hands
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| Oli G |
ok, tyrant... you have now scared me
/me walks orf with ass to the wall
:D
*joke*
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| M.C Menace |
Yeh bums against the walls tyrants on the prawl. lol :]
only joking
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| Tyrant |
bwahahaha
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