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arpz
I'm up for this but ****ed if I'm going all in this time, anyone wanna split this across users of the site?
I must say, I'm not sure I have the same level of faith as with Ham but I hate missing things :)
edit: http://hattrixx.co.uk/vibesnextchapter/ there's a video here, sounds exciting :) I've chucked my email in but like I said, really would need to split this
Dy5oN
Cyrax
nope, i only paid ?25.00 for my Ham album but I knew he'd do good.
Just not feeling this project.
@arpz, what did you think of the track I posted in forthcoming hardcore thread?
djDMS
Oh, they're trying to keep it below 150 quid. Count me in then....
As much as I'd like to think this will be great, I have bigger reservations than the entire native American population.
Hattrixx is a good producer/engineer, that's not in doubt. BUT (bigger but than my wife's) I remember the 'tunes' that Vibes reappeared with in the 2000's which did less for me than my one armed cleaner.
arpz
quote:Originally posted by Cyrax:
nope, i only paid ?25.00 for my Ham album but I knew he'd do good.
Just not feeling this project.
@arpz, what did you think of the track I posted in forthcoming hardcore thread?
It's cool, I loved the Edge 1 nod and the piano & vocal. Less enamoured with the 'funky beats' sample and the synth bit ... What do you say about producing the New Breed Arps album with me, I say if we get a couple of hundred people, we'll charge no more than a hundred quid, that's 20 grand, straight down the middle, using my good name and your considerable engineering skills, I think we're on a winner.
Still no takers on vibes album if we could get it down to ?20 or so?
djDMS
3 ways. Transcend would have to write Will's bits.
Cyrax
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
As much as I'd like to think this will be great, I have bigger reservations than the entire native American population.
bahahaha
quote:Originally posted by arpz:
It's cool, I loved the Edge 1 nod and the piano & vocal. Less enamoured with the 'funky beats' sample and the synth bit ... What do you say about producing the New Breed Arps album with me, I say if we get a couple of hundred people, we'll charge no more than a hundred quid, that's 20 grand, straight down the middle, using my good name and your considerable engineering skills, I think we're on a winner.
10 grand does sound appealing!
Cyrax
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
3 ways. Transcend would have to write Will's bits.
At the beginning it was 20/80 split in talent/engineering
Now I have my own studio it's more 21/79 split in talent engineering
djDMS
Great to see you improving so rapidly.
The new tune is fantastic.
arpz
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
Great to see you improving so rapidly.
The new tune is fantastic.
I hope I didn't list all the bits that Transcend did ;D
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by arpz:
I'm up for this but ****ed if I'm going all in this time, anyone wanna split this across users of the site?
Yes - PM me if you want, get a couple more involved as well. Hopefully no-one will mind, Ham was alright with it. And as far as I know it's still not been leaked.
I'm interested in the project anyway, and it appears all the stems and midis etc will be available too.
I ****ing loved the sound of Vibes in the mid 90s, from what he's said it's going to be more like that sound than the post 2000's stuff, with which I was less endeared. Nothing wrong with it, it just wasn't for me.
The stuff on Asylum and Ravers Choice has been probably the biggest influence to my music lately.
Samination
so, a 10 EP filled with time-stretched songs, with the occasional added bassline just to make sure it wasn't weak?
Where do I (not) sign?
quote:Originally posted by Dy5oN:
Since I learned that Vibes never really made the Wonderland track, I have no real track by him that I like, so compared to the DJ Ham project, I know where my money is going... more porn!
Captain Triceps
My heart did sink a little when I saw he wanted to try to get it under 150 pounds.
It's a lot of money. Even if it is my favourite kind of hardcore. Hopefully it won't be that much.
Owen P
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
As much as I'd like to think this will be great, I have bigger reservations than the entire native American population.
I expected a few might have this kind of reaction. Ham's project had naysayers too. But I can tell you the Vibes & Hattrixx album will be more than great!
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
Hattrixx is a good producer/engineer, that's not in doubt. BUT (bigger but than my wife's) I remember the 'tunes' that Vibes reappeared with in the 2000's which did less for me than my one armed cleaner.
Thanks for the props! ;)
Let me assure anyone reading this of two things:
#1 Forget about 2000-2010
This project has nothing to do with the style of music we made in that era. You'll notice we didn't mention those tracks in the video. If you're hoping for music in that style, you'll be disappointed. If you're hoping for something more along the lines of the early Asylum, VW and Ravers Choice releases, then...
#2 This album is in very capable hands
Shane took on the name DJ Vibes before he ever met Wishdokta, because he's a Roy Ayers fanatic. He always brings that funk/jazz/soul touch where possible. If you speak to Shane he's very modest about the role he plays in the studio, but I can tell you with absolute certainty that he's by far one of the most active, creative, involved artists I've ever worked with. He knows what he wants, he knows how to dig out all the right samples, he's got the knack for exciting arrangements, and he'll hum full riffs/melodies in his own style, in a way that nobody else could. When I listen to the classic-era Vibes tracks - even though he's always needed someone to push buttons - I can always hear his distinct mark. That's why Wishdokta's productions without Vibes never had quite the same style (although of course you can always hear his top notch studio skills!). This is obviously why they did so many tracks together.
As for me, I'm not gonna toot my own horn. But I'll say I'm fully confident in Shane, and he's fully confident in me. This concept was my idea (after seeing what Ham did). We've always wanted to do something more along the lines of the early DJ Vibes releases, but you know... Normally that would be impractical. Assuming we get the backing we need (it's looking good so far), this model makes our dream album a possibility for the first time ever.
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
Yes - PM me if you want, get a couple more involved as well. Hopefully no-one will mind, Ham was alright with it. And as far as I know it's still not been leaked.
We haven't officially said anything about group buys yet, but we still don't have a final price. Just looking at the viability right now. We want this to be as affordable as possible - there will be more than one payment plan option. Stay tuned.
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
I'm interested in the project anyway, and it appears all the stems and midis etc will be available too.
Yep, that's right. More details to follow...
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
I ****ing loved the sound of Vibes in the mid 90s, from what he's said it's going to be more like that sound than the post 2000's stuff, with which I was less endeared. Nothing wrong with it, it just wasn't for me.
The stuff on Asylum and Ravers Choice has been probably the biggest influence to my music lately.
In that case, I can personally guarantee you're gonna be very, very pleased with the album! :)
- Owen (Hattrixx)
P.S.
There's one more bonus coming and it's so frigging exciting I'm wetting myself, but I don't think we'll announce it until it arrives with the album in Christmas.
Also, watch the video:
GrahamC
I'd be up for pooling with a group like I did for the Ham album at around the ?25 mark, there is zilcho chance I am paying 150 bucks for any album on my own!
djDMS
Very nicely explained.
I'm at least 63% more in favour of it now
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by Owen P:
Stuff.
- Owen (Hattrixx)
Cheers for the reply. I'm sure the response will be positive enough to proceed with the project.
Like I said, that era of hardcore is probably my favourite (although it does tend to switch between that and the slightly later stuff!) so no doubt I'll love the music.
Mickey Init
I'd be up for splitting
arpz
Sweet, looks like we're onto one then :)
@Owen, Any chance of some kind of videos during the production? I wanna see Vibes hum ;D
Cyrax
Let's get 150 people to split this! that's one pound each ;)
Guest
**** that, created 2 whole empires, did'nt get shit
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by Cyrax:
Let's get 150 people to split this! that's one pound each ;)
Up for it again mate?
Samination
based on the sound Owen described that they will be producing. I am definitely out. In that scenario, Ham definitely had more varied productions to warrant shelling in
Vladel
I'd be up for splitting with some of you guys
The drunken scotsman
quote:Originally posted by Vladel:
I'd be up for splitting with some of you guys
But, but I thought you were against this model? LOL
I can't wait until someone uploads a 30 minute mix of these tracks when they're released. I will take great pleasure in telling you how shite they are and how glad I am that I didn't part with ?25.
Vladel
You are right to call me on that. I don't like the model but there isn't much I can do to stop it. I'd never pay a silly amount but I did wonder whether it would have been a good idea to go in as a one in ten for the Ham album which is why I was glad the tracks didn't sound too great. If the cost could be brought down to a manageable level then I certainly would consider it and like I say, I hate the model but the choices are either abstain like I did with Ham or partake under favourable terms.
If that seems hypocritical then so be it. I took a risk staying out of it with Ham and I'm not sure I would want to risk it this time.
Elipton
Another tourniquet on Hardcore when it should be doing completely the opposite to this.
Curious to see how many people can shell in to split, because I could be privy to joining you.
Impulse_Response
Not this again. I'll be quite upset if this model gains popularity and spreads.
Owen P
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
Very nicely explained.
I'm at least 63% more in favour of it now
Thanks!
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
Cheers for the reply. I'm sure the response will be positive enough to proceed with the project.
Like I said, that era of hardcore is probably my favourite (although it does tend to switch between that and the slightly later stuff!) so no doubt I'll love the music.
Cheers, no doubt!
quote:Originally posted by arpz:
Sweet, looks like we're onto one then :)
@Owen, Any chance of some kind of videos during the production? I wanna see Vibes hum ;D
Actually, yes. See these bonuses:
Update on bonuses...
There's one more bonus coming and it's so frigging exciting I'm wetting myself, but I don't think we'll announce it until it arrives with the album in Christmas.
Also, watch the video:
DJ_FunDaBounce
wow. Just the bonuses got me tempted. Bring the fee down to half the 150 pounds and I'm in. :)
Samination
oh my, if anything it seems like you're investing more into this than Ham atleast. But still, the sound doesn't entice me
Guest
should make real hardcore, get £10,000 for a single with all the festivals etc around europe every year, you don't get all 900,000 odd people pirating them
Elipton
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
oh my, if anything it seems like you're investing more into this than Ham atleast. But still, the sound doesn't entice me
Where are the clips? I wasn't aware there were any
skarr
oh my actual ****ing god, did nobody learn anything from the ham scam ? if a person truly wanted 2 make an album, they'd make it for the love, and because they have big ideas and burning ambition and a desire to do so, not because again, they've 'got a natural talent of picking the right samples' its going to be 10 generic piano melodies over 10 generic breaks, i predicted exactly what the ham album was gonna be like, and I'm predicting.....this is going to be 10 times worse .
arpz
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
oh my actual ****ing god, did nobody learn anything from the ham scam ? if a person truly wanted 2 make an album, they'd make it for the love, and because they have big ideas and burning ambition and a desire to do so, not because again, they've 'got a natural talent of picking the right samples' its going to be 10 generic piano melodies over 10 generic breaks, i predicted exactly what the ham album was gonna be like, and I'm predicting.....this is going to be 10 times worse .
You didn't predict a thing, you spewed some shit on here and looked like a twat for a bit. Nice to see you back :)
djDMS
quote:Originally posted by Elipton:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
oh my, if anything it seems like you're investing more into this than Ham atleast. But still, the sound doesn't entice me
Where are the clips? I wasn't aware there were any
He means the sound that Vibes produces
Owen P
quote:Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
wow. Just the bonuses got me tempted. Bring the fee down to half the 150 pounds and I'm in. :)
We're not done with the bonuses yet, more to be announced. As for the price - we're looking to get it as low as we can, and there will be multiple payment plan options. This is truly a labour of love and we want it to be affordable.
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
oh my, if anything it seems like you're investing more into this than Ham atleast. But still, the sound doesn't entice me
I think Ham did a fantastic job, I wouldn't wish to downplay the success of his project. Same time, we're not just straight copying Ham's model. We're looking to bring as much value as we possibly can in our own special way. As for your musical tastes - if you prefer the style of Techno Wonderland (which isn't by Vibes) to the '93/'94/'95 releases on Asylum, VW and Ravers Choice, then please don't register.
quote:Originally posted by Guest:
should make real hardcore, get ?10,000 for a single with all the festivals etc around europe every year, you don't get all 900,000 odd people pirating them
?10,000 for a single is **** all really. I've done much better than that making house music. I like Dutch hardcore (I assume that's what you're talking about) but it's not what we want to make right now.
quote:Originally posted by Elipton:
Where are the clips? I wasn't aware there were any
We're pulling out all the stops for this, it won't be a rush job.
For example, we have a fully-expanded Akai S3200XL sampler and the Roland W-30 (the keyboard used to make Obsession/Music's So Wonderful). Also loads of analogue kit (compressors, EQs, etc.) to give it that warm, rich, nostalgic flavour. There will be no corner cutting whatsoever. No filler tracks. Just pure quality.
If you like the classic '93/'94/'95 Vibes stuff, you're gonna be in heaven.
-Hattrixx
Samination
quote:Originally posted by Owen P:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
oh my, if anything it seems like you're investing more into this than Ham atleast. But still, the sound doesn't entice me
I think Ham did a fantastic job, I wouldn't wish to downplay the success of his project. Same time, we're not just straight copying Ham's model. We're looking to bring as much value as we possibly can in our own special way. As for your musical tastes - if you prefer the style of Techno Wonderland (which isn't by Vibes) to the '93/'94/'95 releases on Asylum, VW and Ravers Choice, then please don't register.
Thanks for clarifying it to me. :)
It was much harder to do when it comes came to Ham since his production styles varied alot more than Vibes and/or yours.
Also you should've learned by now that you should just ignore Guest. He thinks big for everyone (he invented Dubstep and "proper" Hardstyle after all!!!!)
Owen P
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
It was much harder to do when it comes came to Ham since his production styles varied alot more than Vibes and/or yours.
LOL! No, I'm not having that! That's a matter of opinion! Fine if it's not your cup of tea, but a lack of variety will certainly not be something we can be accused of.
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
It was much harder to do when it comes came to Ham since his production styles varied alot more than Vibes and/or yours.
LOL! No, I'm not having that! That's a matter of opinion! Fine if it's not your cup of tea, but a lack of variety will certainly not be something we can be accused of.
If yours and Vibes album is going to only sound like those 5 tracks? Then yes, Ham album is definitly still going to be more varied. I might be slightly biased since I have never liked jungle or breakbeats. But still, only british people considered calling jungle for Hardcore mwuahhaha *cough* *gets backstabbed*
Captain Triceps
If they all sound like those clips I'll be happy. If they are *too* varied then I'd likely not be a fan of at least a couple of them.
Samination
To be honest, the tracks I liked the most on Ham's album (Shutdown and the Brisk collab mostly, there might be 1 more track I liked) was almost enough to warrant the 25 quid I put on it. The rest was definitely not my cup of tea.
Owen P
Update on bonuses...
There's one more bonus coming and it's so frigging exciting I'm wetting myself, but I don't think we'll announce it until it arrives with the album in Christmas.
Also, watch the video:
Samination
Who's gonna pay for the meet and greet? :P
scottyd2k9
I'll split costs with a few people if anyone is up for it.. I can send the money over when ever.
I didn't bother with the ham album but I'll give this a bash
djDMS
Doubt you can split a meet n greet 6 ways!
scottyd2k9
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
Doubt you can split a meet n greet 6 ways!
You can have that :d
Vladel
quote:Originally posted by Owen P:
quote:Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
wow. Just the bonuses got me tempted. Bring the fee down to half the 150 pounds and I'm in. :)
We're not done with the bonuses yet, more to be announced. As for the price - we're looking to get it as low as we can, and there will be multiple payment plan options. This is truly a labour of love and we want it to be affordable.
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
oh my, if anything it seems like you're investing more into this than Ham atleast. But still, the sound doesn't entice me
I think Ham did a fantastic job, I wouldn't wish to downplay the success of his project. Same time, we're not just straight copying Ham's model. We're looking to bring as much value as we possibly can in our own special way. As for your musical tastes - if you prefer the style of Techno Wonderland (which isn't by Vibes) to the '93/'94/'95 releases on Asylum, VW and Ravers Choice, then please don't register.
quote:Originally posted by Guest:
should make real hardcore, get ?10,000 for a single with all the festivals etc around europe every year, you don't get all 900,000 odd people pirating them
?10,000 for a single is **** all really. I've done much better than that making house music. I like Dutch hardcore (I assume that's what you're talking about) but it's not what we want to make right now.
quote:Originally posted by Elipton:
Where are the clips? I wasn't aware there were any
We're pulling out all the stops for this, it won't be a rush job.
For example, we have a fully-expanded Akai S3200XL sampler and the Roland W-30 (the keyboard used to make Obsession/Music's So Wonderful). Also loads of analogue kit (compressors, EQs, etc.) to give it that warm, rich, nostalgic flavour. There will be no corner cutting whatsoever. No filler tracks. Just pure quality.
If you like the classic '93/'94/'95 Vibes stuff, you're gonna be in heaven.
-Hattrixx
Not a fan of 93/94/95. Maybe 96/97/98 would have worked. This is not for me.
Owen P
Update on bonuses...
There's one more bonus coming and it's so frigging exciting I'm wetting myself, but I don't think we'll announce it until it arrives with the album in Christmas.
Also, watch the video:
Samination
ffs. If this continues, you're going to spend more time on bonuses than the actual tracks.
Interludes? this is starting to sound more and more like the dutch Happy Hardcore cd's where almost all tracks faded into eachother :P
No, lower the price to 100 and there might be more people interested...
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
ffs. If this continues, you're going to spend more time on bonuses than the actual tracks.
Interludes? this is starting to sound more and more like the dutch Happy Hardcore cd's where almost all tracks faded into eachother :P
No, lower the price to 100 and there might be more people interested...
Fucking hell, I know, too much bonus material for me, I'm backing out.
What a thing to complain about.
trippnface
Hatrixx is ****ing legend; I'm in
skarr
oh my actual ****in god, I actually mean oh my actual ****ing god here, your going to be 'looked after' ?????? this is like a cold calling door 2 door sales pitch ......has nobody learned anything from the ham scam ????? you think vibes is going to be your mate and look after you because you've given him a 1er ??????????? to bang out another 10 tracks of generic shite ?????
skarr
oh sorry I do apologise, he knows how to pick out the right samples, well, here's my ?100.......
skarr
can't wait for the 'exclusive' binga de boing vibesy wibsey crazy daisy updatey waity loony toony videos were gonna exclusively get !!!!!
skarr
'oi oi!! mad cracker vibesy wibsey ere callin out to all you mad nutracka raver wavers, you put 15 grand In my accounty wounty and we'll slam up the jam with some new pianos and that you crazy nutbag ravers you !!!but we need the cashy wasshy upfront you crazy loons so who's on boardy wardy with the crazy wazy nutbaggy vibesy wibsey !!!!'
skarr
' oh my god a meet and greet In a location yet to be confirmed????, take my money !!!!!! , if we work In the old people's home your talking about do we get the meet and greet for free and still get paid our ?8.00 an hour ?
skarr
I remember back in 93 , some guy made a track that I took all the credit for, and then I carried on doing that and somehow got away with it ? and that's exactly what I'm gonna continue to do you crazy zany wavy ravey nutbag ravers you !!!!
skarr
oi oi vibesy wibsey bubble n scribsey ere, only an absolute ****in twat would be stupid enough to hand over they're hard earned for this ...
skarr
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
To be honest, the tracks I liked the most on Ham's album (Shutdown and the Brisk collab mostly, there might be 1 more track I liked) was almost enough to warrant the 25 quid I put on it. The rest was definitely not my cup of tea.
In other words, it was ****ing SHITE !!!!!!!!!!
The drunken scotsman
I think these posts confirm what I said on the other thread. Skarr.. there are better ways of dealing with poor mental health than getting wasted and coming on a forum with about 20 active users at 3am on a Sunday morning to write a load of shite.
skarr
quote:Originally posted by Owen P:
quote:Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
wow. Just the bonuses got me tempted. Bring the fee down to half the 150 pounds and I'm in. :)
We're not done with the bonuses yet, more to be announced. As for the price - we're looking to get it as low as we can, and there will be multiple payment plan options. This is truly a labour of love and we want it to be affordable.
well then don't charge ?100 ****in plus for it then, charge ?2 a tune and make it affordable for everyone and anyone that might wanna buy it, it's not a Labour of love, it's a Labour of a ****in rip off
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
oh my, if anything it seems like you're investing more into this than Ham atleast. But still, the sound doesn't entice me
I think Ham did a fantastic job, I wouldn't wish to downplay the success of his project. Same time, we're not just straight copying Ham's model.
errrrrr yes you are ? that's exactly what your doing ? oh no sorry, your charging slightly more and offering to 'proper look after people', sorry it's completely different, your not copying him at all.
?10,000 for a single is **** all really. I've done much better than that making house music. I like Dutch hardcore (I assume that's what you're talking about) but it's not what we want to make right now.
Let's hear these house tracks then mate
quote:Originally posted by Elipton:
Where are the clips? I wasn't aware there were any
We're pulling out all the stops for this, it won't be a rush job.
no you'll take 6 months to release 10 tracks you knocked up in about 3 weeks, EXACTLY like ham did.
For example, we have a fully-expanded Akai S3200XL sampler and the Roland W-30 (the keyboard used to make Obsession/Music's So Wonderful). Also loads of analogue kit (compressors, EQs, etc.) to give it that warm, rich, nostalgic flavour. There will be no corner cutting whatsoever. No filler tracks. Just pure quality.
**** me that's impressive.
-Hattrixx
skarr
proppa nawty raver nutbags gettin proppa looked after by vibesy wibesy and shattrixx oi oi you buncha loons !! just secured meself top quality dementia care for 2 years you'll all be pleased to know, video from wing 3 will be up soon for all you proppa woppa stupid ****ers, as promised,I'll be explainin 'ow I lost me shoe and thought of a wickedy bo piano n all that !! told ya ya gonna get proppa looked after by ya best mate vibesy wibesy , imagine a meet and greet with me and shattrixx!!!!!as long as I'm not having me pad changed it'll be on !!!!!
,
Owen P
Some of Skarr's ramblings are actually really funny! I also think it's cute that he cares so much.
If you're not into the music or don't like the proposition, then don't take us up on the offer. Ultimately people will vote with their wallets. Just so you know, we've had an overwhelming uptake. And if it's not for you, then that's okay. There's plenty of low budget and free music out there. You don't lose anything by not taking part, silly sausage.
What we're doing is making something tailored to a specific subset of the market that hasn't yet been catered to. And we're doing it at a high price without shame because A) if we weren't doing it this way, we couldn't afford to do it at all, and B) to the right person the whole experience will have been extremely good value for money.
But don't stop for my benefit, Skarr. Do please carry on, it's very entertaining.
- Owen (Hattrixx)
skarr
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
I think these posts confirm what I said on the other thread. Skarr.. there are better ways of dealing with poor mental health than getting wasted and coming on a forum with about 20 active users at 3am on a Sunday morning to write a load of shite.
Mate, we joined this forum at the same time .... ? you have nearly 3 times as many posts as me ?????
skarr
quote:Originally posted by Owen P:
Some of Skarr's ramblings are actually really funny! I also think it's cute that he cares so much.
If you're not into the music or don't like the proposition, then don't take us up on the offer. Ultimately people will vote with their wallets. Just so you know, we've had an overwhelming uptake. And if it's not for you, then that's okay. There's plenty of low budget and free music out there. You don't lose anything by not taking part, silly sausage.
What we're doing is making something tailored to a specific subset of the market that hasn't yet been catered to. And we're doing it at a high price without shame because A) if we weren't doing it this way, we couldn't afford to do it at all, and B) to the right person the whole experience will have been extremely good value for money.
But don't stop for my benefit, Skarr. Do please carry on, it's very entertaining.
- Owen (Hattrixx)
more entertaing than your , sorry I mean vibe's albums gonna be.
The drunken scotsman
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
I think these posts confirm what I said on the other thread. Skarr.. there are better ways of dealing with poor mental health than getting wasted and coming on a forum with about 20 active users at 3am on a Sunday morning to write a load of shite.
Mate, we joined this forum at the same time .... ? you have nearly 3 times as many posts as me ?????
Yes but I don't use this forum as a means of making myself feel better when I'm lonely at 3am on a Sunday morning, by acting like a ****ing idiot.
skarr
' album bonus #256' you get to spend a whole day in crazy zany vibesy wibsey's new dementia unit, and at least 1 of you lucky ****ers will get to wipe his arse with an original copy of 'to the core' , that actually has a picture of your new best mate vibesy on page 37! oi oi nutbags!!!!!
skarr
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
I think these posts confirm what I said on the other thread. Skarr.. there are better ways of dealing with poor mental health than getting wasted and coming on a forum with about 20 active users at 3am on a Sunday morning to write a load of shite.
Mate, we joined this forum at the same time .... ? you have nearly 3 times as many posts as me ?????
Yes but I don't use this forum as a means of making myself feel better when I'm lonely at 3am on a Sunday morning, by acting like a ****ing idiot.
No you do it at 9 36 am by being a ****ing arse kisser, but clearly a LOT more regularly than I do ......
skarr
this forum clearly plays a HUGE part In your life, as if didn't , you wouldn't be on here 3 times as much as I am , yes I come on here at 3 am when I'm drunk, (on the very rare occasion)
it's a bit of fun, but you come here as soon as you wake up ?!?! every ****in day ?!?! I'm sorry I touched a nerve with you as I should have noticed how seriously you take this forum , and how much it affects your day 2 day life , I'm genuinely, genuinely sorry, I'm gonna stop engaging with you now and go back to having a laugh, with those that can cope with it....
The drunken scotsman
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
I think these posts confirm what I said on the other thread. Skarr.. there are better ways of dealing with poor mental health than getting wasted and coming on a forum with about 20 active users at 3am on a Sunday morning to write a load of shite.
Mate, we joined this forum at the same time .... ? you have nearly 3 times as many posts as me ?????
Yes but I don't use this forum as a means of making myself feel better when I'm lonely at 3am on a Sunday morning, by acting like a ****ing idiot.
No you do it at 9 36 am by being a ****ing arse kisser, but clearly a LOT more regularly than I do ......
Yawn, I'd say it's getting boring, but it got boring a long time ago. I'm out.
skarr
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
this forum clearly plays a HUGE part In your life, as if didn't , you wouldn't be on here 3 times as much as I am , yes I come on here at 3 am when I'm drunk, (on the very rare occasion)
it's a bit of fun, but you come here as soon as you wake up ?!?! every ****in day ?!?! I'm sorry I touched a nerve with you as I should have noticed how seriously you take this forum , and how much it affects your day 2 day life , I'm genuinely, genuinely sorry, I'm gonna stop engaging with you now and go back to having a laugh, with those that can cope with it....
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skarr
oi oi !!! you nutbags !!! crazy wazy vibesy wibesy ere with another update special for you loons !!! turns out , cause of me flipping dementia , and the fact I look like a 97 year old anorexic woman, that's just gone through a serious bout of treatment that didn't go too well, I've gone n lost me techno wonderland record !!!!! so, the 1st one if you keeeeerrrrazy nutbags that finds it will get 11 tracks instead of 10 on the new album !!!! told ya vibesy wibsey will proppa look after ya !!!
skarr
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
I think these posts confirm what I said on the other thread. Skarr.. there are better ways of dealing with poor mental health than getting wasted and coming on a forum with about 20 active users at 3am on a Sunday morning to write a load of shite.
Mate, we joined this forum at the same time .... ? you have nearly 3 times as many posts as me ?????
Yes but I don't use this forum as a means of making myself feel better when I'm lonely at 3am on a Sunday morning, by acting like a ****ing idiot.
No you do it at 9 36 am by being a ****ing arse kisser, but clearly a LOT more regularly than I do ......
Yawn, I'd say it's getting boring, but it got boring a long time ago. I'm out.
Drunken Bannatyne.
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
oi oi !!! you nutbags !!! crazy wazy vibesy wibesy ere with another update special for you loons !!! turns out , cause of me flipping dementia , and the fact I look like a 97 year old anorexic woman, that's just gone through a serious bout of treatment that didn't go too well, I've gone n lost me techno wonderland record !!!!! so, the 1st one if you keeeeerrrrazy nutbags that finds it will get 11 tracks instead of 10 on the new album !!!! told ya vibesy wibsey will proppa look after ya !!!
god damnit skarr; are you doing some of that 100% blow floating around the UK?
Mickey Init
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Yes but I don't use this forum as a means of making myself feel better when I'm lonely at 3am on a Sunday morning, by acting like a ****ing idiot.
🤣🤣🤣
Owen P
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
more entertaing than your , sorry I mean vibe's albums gonna be.
How long did it take you to come up with that comic gold?
Owen P
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
' album bonus #256' you get to spend a whole day in crazy zany vibesy wibsey's new dementia unit, and at least 1 of you lucky ****ers will get to wipe his arse with an original copy of 'to the core' , that actually has a picture of your new best mate vibesy on page 37! oi oi nutbags!!!!!
You're wasted on this thread, mate. You should be selling out stadiums with a sense of humour like that.
arpz
Careful with skarr... he's such a badass, literally happy to lay down on actual tramlines
Edit: picture removed due to tantrum
The drunken scotsman
Jeez what an ugly bastard. He actually looks more of a dick in real life than I imagined him to be...if that's possible.
I wonder if he sends seductive pics like that to vibsey wibsey and shattrix when he's desperate for male company at 3am on a Sunday morning.
arpz
Well, I'm assuming that's him anyway, name on here is the same as an FB account who's friends with CDJay et al. Bit ****ing rich considering the shit he gave him over the hardcore heaven album
skarr
well done on hacking into my Facebook account arpz you ****ing ****.
Samination
facebook aint that secure. You can get access to most images as long as you have complete url to it
djDMS
Hardly hacking is it?
arpz
I didn't hack his account, I typed his name into Facebook and took one of his public pictures. He's now gone off at me saying someone logged into his account (I didn't) and that there were no public pictures (there were).
The backlash has been incredible, he's very upset about this whole thing which I find quite amusing given how large he's been giving it on here.
djDMS
Sensitive little soul.
Who'd have thought.
Owen P
Please don't be discouraged, Skarr. I was just getting into your mud slinging. Do carry on!
The drunken scotsman
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
well done on hacking into my Facebook account arpz you ****ing ****.
Looks like you logged on to Happyhardcore.com as soon as you woke up, this site clearly means a lot to you.
skarr
it's all ok , me and arpz are friends now, I'm going to see him in Southampton so he can explain why he hacked into my account, he can fully explain why he felt it necessary to cause me to loose contact with friends/ family ect......really looking forward to seeing him !
djDMS
So not only are you living in some kind of alternate reality, you're making thinly veiled threats to someone online too.
Worse than I thought.
Elipton
The honesty in me feels bad for Arpz at this point. I'll come clean. I hacked your Fecebook.
Vladel
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
it's all ok , me and arpz are friends now, I'm going to see him in Southampton so he can explain why he hacked into my account, he can fully explain why he felt it necessary to cause me to loose contact with friends/ family ect......really looking forward to seeing him !
I'd bet they would have been glad of that.
The drunken scotsman
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
it's all ok , me and arpz are friends now, I'm going to see him in Southampton so he can explain why he hacked into my account, he can fully explain why he felt it necessary to cause me to loose contact with friends/ family ect......really looking forward to seeing him !
LOL 😂
An Internet hard man I see.
Samination
forgetting to lock away your account to only friends is hardly being hacked...
maxgadd
This thread delivers.
skarr
my account on here has also been hacked , profile pick changed to hardcore heaven album ?
arpz
Hahaha whoever did that please own up cause I'm getting shit on Facebook about it
The drunken scotsman
It was me, let's meet in Southampton so I can explain my reasons to you skarry warry.
djDMS
No, it was me. Lets meet In the middle of a road somewhere so I can beg for mercy.
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
my account on here has also been hacked , profile pick changed to hardcore heaven album ?
knew you would come around <3
djDMS
The pic should have said 'Essentially sold out'
I don't believe for one second that he's been hacked here or on Facebook, he's just desperately trying to steer us away from the fact that he's an absolute shitehawk.
Elipton
Not sure why this is a thing, I've already owned up
^ this has a video, says that if we want to do a group buy then we'll have to let them know before hand.
3 Options for straight up orders as a single person, if you pay up front you get it for ?125, you pay ?135 if you pay over 3 months and ?150 if you pay over 5 months.
Can't see them agreeing to shedloads of us going in together and also don't really see why the price changes if you pay over time but it is what it is.
Not sure I can honestly go in on this for any more than about ?50, anyone wanna see if we can do a three way on that basis?
GrahamC
Its cost-prohibitive for me, I would have to go in with a five-some where we paid all in one go (ooo-errr!), ?25 is my limit!
Also, not liking paying the whole thing ahead of it being ready! At least with Ham you paid 25% and the rest when it was ready. Don't feel at all comfortable with paying out the money up front.
djDMS
I'm out.
arpz
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
I'm out.
What flipped it for you? (I did try and find your original stance on it but got bored with scrolling past 100s of skarr posts) I wasn't exactly loving the video, it just felt like an attempt at manipulating me, 'only the REAL hardcore will want this' etc. Like come on...
I do think it'll be good but it feels even more like the money is the 100% most important thing about this, the increasing prices for the payment plans, the repeated reminders that *yes* they will know who have logged into the site and finally, the fact that despite it being 'limited' and 'only the right people' while simultaneously there's absolutely no mention of how limited it will be and in fact everything about it seems to be about getting as many people on board as possible.
It looks like Hattrix has some knowledge of internet/affiliate marketing, the email opt-in's, landing page, enrollment options and just the overall feel of it feels like one of those funnels designed to get your details and ultimately end in a conversion, not that it really matters but it doesn't have that 'in it together' feel I got from dealing with Ham.
The drunken scotsman
Wasn't ever up for this anyway, but I'm team Skarr after watching that 😂
djDMS
quote:Originally posted by arpz:
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
I'm out.
What flipped it for you? (I did try and find your original stance on it but got bored with scrolling past 100s of skarr posts) I wasn't exactly loving the video, it just felt like an attempt at manipulating me, 'only the REAL hardcore will want this' etc. Like come on...
I do think it'll be good but it feels even more like the money is the 100% most important thing about this, the increasing prices for the payment plans, the repeated reminders that *yes* they will know who have logged into the site and finally, the fact that despite it being 'limited' and 'only the right people' while simultaneously there's absolutely no mention of how limited it will be and in fact everything about it seems to be about getting as many people on board as possible.
It looks like Hattrix has some knowledge of internet/affiliate marketing, the email opt-in's, landing page, enrollment options and just the overall feel of it feels like one of those funnels designed to get your details and ultimately end in a conversion, not that it really matters but it doesn't have that 'in it together' feel I got from dealing with Ham.
You've pretty much summed up my thoughts perfectly.
I was originally sceptical but slightly more interested after Hattrixx came and made some good points and explained a few things .
Now, I'm firmly in the 'feeling slightly insulted/money is their motivation' camp.
Owen P
quote:Originally posted by arpz:
I do think it'll be good but it feels even more like the money is the 100% most important thing about this
The quality of the music is the 100% most important thing about this. When all is said and done, we want to be able to look back on this album and feel extremely proud of what we've accomplished. These tracks will be playable for a long long time. Money comes and goes, neither of us are short of finances. He's still playing out every weekend, I'm coming into my 10th year at the studio I'm in, and doing very well.
The reason why we put that video message up is because we have way too many people registered (over 500, we're cutting it off at around 200 depending on which plans people take), and we've had some people send us emails thinking it's a stompy happy hardcore compilation album on vinyl and mad stuff like that.
The money is an important factor in a way, though. Apart from the fact that it's not cheap to make an album the way we're doing it, I think what we're offering is of great value to the right person. We've had lots of very positive feedback on the project (and lots of negative feedback, granted - we knew we were in for a mixed response!). We don't want any disappointed ducks when we drop the music, that would be disastrous, obviously. Hence we've attempted to reach a broad number of people and now we're whittling down to just those who understand what they're gonna get.
Also we don't want big groups to take up seats that could be taken by super enthusiastic individuals. We're not automatically gonna say no to every group application, but we just wanna know who you are and why you're splitting. Hence the disclaimers. We know it'll put a lot of people off, that's the idea.
quote:It looks like Hattrix has some knowledge of internet/affiliate marketing, the email opt-in's, landing page, enrollment options and just the overall feel of it feels like one of those funnels designed to get your details and ultimately end in a conversion, not that it really matters
That's just because we've used a bunch of services (Zapier, Stripe, AWeber, MailChimp, Zippy, LeadPages, Megaphone, Vimeo, etc) as part of delivering a smooth experience. Even with all that tech and automation it's been a LOT of work behind the scenes. It's necessary to deliver this in the way I feel it needs to be done, however. I don't have any interest/background in all that affiliate nonsense. Cheesy as it sounds, I'm here for the music!
I know it's cocky of me to say, but I guarantee you if you're into the early Vibes stuff, you're going to be blown away with what we have in store. We have a trick or two up the sleeve (or under the hat?) that nobody sees coming. You can quote me on that.
arpz
If there's anyone left that'll go in with me then I suppose we'll get our proposed group buy details to you asap but it's not looking very promising... fair enough though, hope it turns out well for you
DJ_FunDaBounce
I'm sorry to have to say "no" to this deal. and I will add that it's a bit worrisome that the more established players have to recurr to this method. For us who do our best "for a couple hours a night" to get ahead in this game, this just took a wrong turn.
The drunken scotsman
Not trying to be funny, but what reasons are you expecting people to give for grouping up, other than the extremely obvious one of not being able to afford ?125 plus? It's like a job interview, testing people's answers to see if they're worthy of joining.
As I've mentioned, I was never up for this as I've never been into this style. I did get the Ham album though and was very happy with it. But that seemed a much better process. He didn't need to advertise all of these additional bonuses - it really was all about the music. This does come across as a little desperate.
Mickey Init
I'm also out. Far more complicated than it needs to be with no definitive outline. This album would be a more a novelty thing for me than a 'OMG I need dis' album.
These projects are a bit like gay dating - you get led along for 6 months and once you've been shafted the messages suddenly stop.
Elipton
This has become very 'Dragon's Den', but I'm also out.
Since you're kindly interacting with us, Owen, could I ask a question?
Do you think this type of mega-money project is good for the Hardcore 'scene' in the long run?
Rodz90
The whole idea is laughable.
As with the Ham project, this just excludes people and doesn't push the music as a whole forward in any way.
The idea that you are going to know where and when people logged in from different places is again laughable. The majority of the time it will work, but i can guarantee you i could pass on an access token or whatever token tech you are using in conjunction with a VPN to spoof my way around what you think is a definite way of checking people are using the site to your terms.
A decent alternative way of setting this up, is to use the Blu the Roof model. You get the interest, you get the funding, and you don't have to keep it exclusive. Even if you don't use one of the many kickstarter site. Keep the splash page you've designed, and think about the distribution differently, with set goals.
I can't see why these projects need to be kept exclusive. If someone can convince me of that, i'm ready to listen.
Samination
quote:Originally posted by Elipton:
This has become very 'Dragon's Den', but I'm also out.
Since you're kindly interacting with us, Owen, could I ask a question?
Do you think this type of mega-money project is good for the Hardcore 'scene' in the long run?
I'd want to know as well. I had a private conversation with Owen for other reason, but he mentioned something of relevance there. If he wont come out about it himself, I will. (I'm not trying to drum up suspense here, but I dont think the answer was good).
Owen P
quote:Originally posted by Mickey Init:
This album would be a more a novelty thing for me than a 'OMG I need dis' album.
Then, with respect, we've successfully screened you out. If you're not on the OMG list then you probably wouldn't be happy with the purchase. It's better for everyone if we only sell to those for who this is a fantastic deal. That's not everyone, we knew that going in.
For those that are 'on the OMG list', we're going to deliver something beyond what I can convey here in words. Shane and I ourselves are 'on the OMG list', and we'll be the hardest bods to satisfy.
Owen P
quote:Originally posted by Elipton:
Since you're kindly interacting with us, Owen, could I ask a question?
Do you think this type of mega-money project is good for the Hardcore 'scene' in the long run?
You can ask me whatever you want, I'm open.
So is it good for the scene?
I could argue yes, but I could also argue no. There are pros and cons, but ultimately time will tell. Let me give you some more detail on my thoughts, though, as this is a very important question.
#1 Despite the fear mongering, I don't think we're gonna see many of these projects in the future. They're not big money spinners, they're difficult to organise, not many artists could draw in enough numbers to make it worthwhile, it puts a lot of pressure on the artist as their whole reputation is at stake.
In DJ Ham's case, he was the pioneer. I can't speak on his behalf, of course, but I get the impression he didn't realise how much work would be involved. It was just something he wanted to try out. I think to a point he was figuring it all out as he went along (in a good way).
I spoke to Ham around the time of his release and I asked him if he knew of other artists who'd follow suit. He told me nobody he knew wanted to do it. It was only after that conversation that it occurred to me that there was an opportunity for me and Shane. But when I say opportunity...... You have to understand I mean in a musical sense. It's not as great a business opportunity as it may appear from the outside.
For this reason, I don't think it'll make much much difference.
#2 The exclusivity changes the rules significantly. Assuming the integrity is there, it means better music. Listening to Ham's album, you can tell a lot of love went into it. Some of those piano lines are absolutely sublime. There's a slower track on there that sounds like it would smash up the airwaves if he'd released it commercially instead of privately. And there are some *ahem* "sound sources" *cough* on there that you'd never get away with going through the normal channels.
This is what really turned me on to the idea, the creative freedom. Shane and I know full well and are open about the fact that his best stuff was with Wishdokta, back when it was predominantly sample-based music. And my proudest tracks are the ones I spent loads of time on. For example, I put a solid month into JUST the drums on the Luna-C Piano Confusion Hattrixx remix. I could actually achieve that kind of thing much quicker now, but my point is: the freedom to spend the necessary time on what's important to me as an artist is a rare luxury. I'm glad I did it that way because 10 years later I still enjoy the remix, but I wish I'd had more opportunities like that in the last 10 years.
In my view, any opportunity for an artist to produce music on their own terms is a great thing. It means the music can be more special. I mean..... If I really wanted to, I could throw an album together in a day. That's if there was no integrity and no quality control. I could even do an average quality album in a month. The reason we're giving ourselves until December to deliver is because we're going all out. We want to produce a master piece. That's why I'm so hypey... We've wanted to do something in this style for 12+ years but not had the opportunity until right now. We've really thought deeply about how it needs to be done to be done right and I've tested some wild writing/production techniques that are unlike anything anyone else can/would offer. The music is going to be inconceivably good (IF you're into that stuff).
#3 The music itself isn't just for the backers, really. If you're more the casual type, then our premium priced offer isn't for you. However, you'll still hear the music on radio shows, in sets, and at raves (as I said, Vibes still plays out every weekend). It's not like you'll never get to hear it. If you're into this stuff, you'll be glad it was made when you hear it even though you've paid nothing towards it. That's definitely a positive that has wider benefits: Vibes will be playing quality new material alongside his classics from the 90s.
#4 What even IS "the scene"? I said to Samination privately that our release has nothing to do with "the scene", because there is no 'scene' for the type of music we're doing. This isn't a UK Hardcore album. This is a classic DJ Vibes '93/'94/'95 style album, predominantly breakbeats, pads, stabs, pianos, huge bass, etc. Samination has said he'd class that as jungle, which is fair. I disagree, but it's a valid point of view.
What we're doing wouldn't have been a contribution to any scene if we were to put it out on general release - and more to the point, that wouldn't have been a viable option in any case. If we were making an album 'for the scene', we'd have to make it fit, to some extent. And we just wouldn't have the freedom/time/budget to go all out in the way that we're doing with this project. This is part of the reason we're providing regular video content as part of the package - you'll be shocked when you see how deep we're going for this. It's not something that would be feasible without a reasonable budget. I don't see a way "the scene" could support that. If someone can show me a way, I'll be on the case immediately...
It's incredibly niche music, let's not pretend to be pop stars. We're not contributing much to the scene by doing this, but we're also certainly not taking anything away from the scene. We're not withholding anything that we'd otherwise give. Musicians don't get into music for the money, that would be stupid. I make quite decent money with my studio business, but as far as being an artist goes, the motivation is always the art itself.
#5 It's up to the backers whether or not the project goes ahead. In this case and in DJ Ham's case there were plenty of people who are up for it. Ultimately, people vote with their wallets. And most of the people we've had write to us have said they're more than happy with the offer. I don't think it's the general populace of 'the scene' that were appealing to. My assumption with the DJ Vibes following is that it's mostly people who are a bit older now, they've settled down, they've bought their house, had their kids. They have no interest whatsoever in the vast majority of modern music, rather they long for something along the lines of what they enjoyed at the big raves back in the day. And they have enough disposable income that the price we're asking is really not that big of a deal. Is it wrong to cater to that crowd? I don't think so. Nobody else is catering to them, and they're happy that we finally are. It's win-win.
I could probably sit here and write for hours but you get the idea. Mostly I think it's positive or insignificant. Perhaps if all the main artists were holding their fresh new music ransom that would be problematic, but that's not the case here. The two projects in question (ours and Ham's) wouldn't have been possible at all without this model. Not as far as I can tell, anyway. I'd love to be proved wrong!
GrahamC
quote:Originally posted by Owen P:
The two projects in question (ours and Ham's) wouldn't have been possible at all without this model. Not as far as I can tell, anyway. I'd love to be proved wrong!
You won't be proved wrong tho as you aren't even trying
Did it ever occur to either of you to have a word with HU? Vibes worked on Happy Hardcore Underground so he has a relationship there. Would it have been feasible to do this project with them therefore opening it up to a bigger audience? If not, if you are able, can you explain why it would not have worked?
Samination
I have to counter #3 for a bit.
My biggest fear with Ham's was that I could be missing out that I might like. Which was just the case with his album. The 2 tracks I really like might not have warrant a full 100 quid pricetag, but I would say it was worth the 25 quid i cut in with. Sure, I could be hearing the tracks being played out by everyone who bought the album, live or in a set. But I'm not just a listeners, I'm a bedroom DJ too. That would mean if I missed out, I would have no (legal) way of getting the tracks, and THAT IS why I feel like these kind of projects hurts (the future listeners/buyers/deejays of) the music(-scene).
I feel just the same way about not re-pressing/re-releasing digitally, much in the case with Thumpa's albums (which I have to say I have given him to much slack for), but they are sold at a managable price and in most cases, with samples before actual release.
quote:Originally posted by GrahamC:
quote:Originally posted by Owen P:
The two projects in question (ours and Ham's) wouldn't have been possible at all without this model. Not as far as I can tell, anyway. I'd love to be proved wrong!
You won't be proved wrong tho as you aren't even trying
Did it ever occur to either of you to have a word with HU? Vibes worked on Happy Hardcore Underground so he has a relationship there. Would it have been feasible to do this project with them therefore opening it up to a bigger audience? If not, if you are able, can you explain why it would not have worked?
I've also wondered about the reasoning behind this. I presume it's about being able to push away any other kinds of work, to work full-time on this project without worrying about income for the months they are working on it.
GrahamC
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
I've also wondered about the reasoning behind this. I presume it's about being able to push away any other kinds of work, to work full-time on this project without worrying about income for the months they are working on it.
I could agree with that but Owen has said they are both flush with cash and also that Vibes is out every weekend DJing so I don't think that's the reason...
Owen P
HU may well have a big audience, but it's not the right audience for the kind of music we're doing. And I very much doubt they have the scale of budgets to cover the basic costs of what we're planning. We'd all be working at a huge loss. Of course we've thought about that. Of course we've spoken to labels. There's nothing in it for them and it puts a load of restrictions on us that would mean watering down the music. Nobody is up for that.
Samination, we haven't taken any music away from you. For goodness sake, it's not even your style. There are plenty of outlets catering to the low priced and free end of the market. What we're doing has literally zero effect on you. And what we're doing isn't feasible without this model. Do you think that just because you can't have something that nobody else should be allowed to have it? Surely you're more mature than that?
There's another point I want to make, actually. I think low priced music is harmful to the scene. I don't think it's a coincidence that the devaluation of music correlates with the decline of "the scene". The less reward there is for the music makers, generally the less resources they're able to devote to their music. Also, eventually niche artists have to give up and move on as there's no infrastructure to support them even at minimum-wage level. This general downward trend ends in a place where most music is hastily-made, low budget, disposable garbage. Of course not all music that's hastily made or low budget is garbage, but I'm talking about an overall trend.
Vibes' back catalogue still stands strong for a lot of people. They say they don't understand why people don't make them like they used to. Our project is for that crowd. They've been left out in the cold for many years, we're doing something about it. It's not for everybody, it's not supposed to be.
Owen P
quote:Originally posted by GrahamC:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
I've also wondered about the reasoning behind this. I presume it's about being able to push away any other kinds of work, to work full-time on this project without worrying about income for the months they are working on it.
I could agree with that but Owen has said they are both flush with cash and also that Vibes is out every weekend DJing so I don't think that's the reason...
Goodness, no. I never said "flush with cash", but we're certainly doing pretty well. The money that I'll get from this project won't even cover my rent, let alone food, travel, and all the expenses associated with the production and delivery of the album. We could of course scale everything down and make the whole thing on a laptop with free software, but that would totally ruin the project and I wouldn't be up for it at all. It's all or nothing, we're not willing to compromise on the quality of the music. The financial reward is meagre, so the artistic reward must be supreme. Them's the rules!
trippnface
everyone buthurtt they not getting cheese stomp; i'm just like BREAKS BREAKS BREAKS!
seriously though; this is not a bad thing or some huge ordeal. atleast they are trying to provide us with real hardcore music that doesnt suck... unlike a vast majoirty of the " hardcore" scene; that do nothing for us and havent for years. I am totally down to throw some money at these guys for QUALITY tracks that just simply do no get produced anymore. the amount of " hardcore" that has nothing to do with hardcore is ****ing embarassing nowadays. cost seems intensive; but I probably spend that driving to a party and ticket and everything else for a night where i am probably going to hear loads of really shitty modern hardcore. rather drop a stack or 2 on this and have tracks that keep me high for another 10 plus years...
Mickey Init
quote:Originally posted by Owen P:
quote:Originally posted by Mickey Init:
This album would be a more a novelty thing for me than a 'OMG I need dis' album.
Then, with respect, we've successfully screened you out. If you're not on the OMG list then you probably wouldn't be happy with the purchase. It's better for everyone if we only sell to those for who this is a fantastic deal. That's not everyone, we knew that going in.
For those that are 'on the OMG list', we're going to deliver something beyond what I can convey here in words. Shane and I ourselves are 'on the OMG list', and we'll be the hardest bods to satisfy.
I'm back in
Mad Max
Thread gold on sooooo many levels.
I would possibly be up for spliting the costs.
Elipton
Thanks for opening up about it all. I respect hearing it from your side
quote:Originally posted by Owen P:
quote:Originally posted by Elipton:
Since you're kindly interacting with us, Owen, could I ask a question?
Do you think this type of mega-money project is good for the Hardcore 'scene' in the long run?
You can ask me whatever you want, I'm open.
So is it good for the scene?
I could argue yes, but I could also argue no. There are pros and cons, but ultimately time will tell. Let me give you some more detail on my thoughts, though, as this is a very important question.
#1 Despite the fear mongering, I don't think we're gonna see many of these projects in the future. They're not big money spinners, they're difficult to organise, not many artists could draw in enough numbers to make it worthwhile, it puts a lot of pressure on the artist as their whole reputation is at stake.
In DJ Ham's case, he was the pioneer. I can't speak on his behalf, of course, but I get the impression he didn't realise how much work would be involved. It was just something he wanted to try out. I think to a point he was figuring it all out as he went along (in a good way).
I spoke to Ham around the time of his release and I asked him if he knew of other artists who'd follow suit. He told me nobody he knew wanted to do it. It was only after that conversation that it occurred to me that there was an opportunity for me and Shane. But when I say opportunity...... You have to understand I mean in a musical sense. It's not as great a business opportunity as it may appear from the outside.
For this reason, I don't think it'll make much much difference.
#2 The exclusivity changes the rules significantly. Assuming the integrity is there, it means better music. Listening to Ham's album, you can tell a lot of love went into it. Some of those piano lines are absolutely sublime. There's a slower track on there that sounds like it would smash up the airwaves if he'd released it commercially instead of privately. And there are some *ahem* "sound sources" *cough* on there that you'd never get away with going through the normal channels.
This is what really turned me on to the idea, the creative freedom. Shane and I know full well and are open about the fact that his best stuff was with Wishdokta, back when it was predominantly sample-based music. And my proudest tracks are the ones I spent loads of time on. For example, I put a solid month into JUST the drums on the Luna-C Piano Confusion Hattrixx remix. I could actually achieve that kind of thing much quicker now, but my point is: the freedom to spend the necessary time on what's important to me as an artist is a rare luxury. I'm glad I did it that way because 10 years later I still enjoy the remix, but I wish I'd had more opportunities like that in the last 10 years.
In my view, any opportunity for an artist to produce music on their own terms is a great thing. It means the music can be more special. I mean..... If I really wanted to, I could throw an album together in a day. That's if there was no integrity and no quality control. I could even do an average quality album in a month. The reason we're giving ourselves until December to deliver is because we're going all out. We want to produce a master piece. That's why I'm so hypey... We've wanted to do something in this style for 12+ years but not had the opportunity until right now. We've really thought deeply about how it needs to be done to be done right and I've tested some wild writing/production techniques that are unlike anything anyone else can/would offer. The music is going to be inconceivably good (IF you're into that stuff).
#3 The music itself isn't just for the backers, really. If you're more the casual type, then our premium priced offer isn't for you. However, you'll still hear the music on radio shows, in sets, and at raves (as I said, Vibes still plays out every weekend). It's not like you'll never get to hear it. If you're into this stuff, you'll be glad it was made when you hear it even though you've paid nothing towards it. That's definitely a positive that has wider benefits: Vibes will be playing quality new material alongside his classics from the 90s.
#4 What even IS "the scene"? I said to Samination privately that our release has nothing to do with "the scene", because there is no 'scene' for the type of music we're doing. This isn't a UK Hardcore album. This is a classic DJ Vibes '93/'94/'95 style album, predominantly breakbeats, pads, stabs, pianos, huge bass, etc. Samination has said he'd class that as jungle, which is fair. I disagree, but it's a valid point of view.
What we're doing wouldn't have been a contribution to any scene if we were to put it out on general release - and more to the point, that wouldn't have been a viable option in any case. If we were making an album 'for the scene', we'd have to make it fit, to some extent. And we just wouldn't have the freedom/time/budget to go all out in the way that we're doing with this project. This is part of the reason we're providing regular video content as part of the package - you'll be shocked when you see how deep we're going for this. It's not something that would be feasible without a reasonable budget. I don't see a way "the scene" could support that. If someone can show me a way, I'll be on the case immediately...
It's incredibly niche music, let's not pretend to be pop stars. We're not contributing much to the scene by doing this, but we're also certainly not taking anything away from the scene. We're not withholding anything that we'd otherwise give. Musicians don't get into music for the money, that would be stupid. I make quite decent money with my studio business, but as far as being an artist goes, the motivation is always the art itself.
#5 It's up to the backers whether or not the project goes ahead. In this case and in DJ Ham's case there were plenty of people who are up for it. Ultimately, people vote with their wallets. And most of the people we've had write to us have said they're more than happy with the offer. I don't think it's the general populace of 'the scene' that were appealing to. My assumption with the DJ Vibes following is that it's mostly people who are a bit older now, they've settled down, they've bought their house, had their kids. They have no interest whatsoever in the vast majority of modern music, rather they long for something along the lines of what they enjoyed at the big raves back in the day. And they have enough disposable income that the price we're asking is really not that big of a deal. Is it wrong to cater to that crowd? I don't think so. Nobody else is catering to them, and they're happy that we finally are. It's win-win.
I could probably sit here and write for hours but you get the idea. Mostly I think it's positive or insignificant. Perhaps if all the main artists were holding their fresh new music ransom that would be problematic, but that's not the case here. The two projects in question (ours and Ham's) wouldn't have been possible at all without this model. Not as far as I can tell, anyway. I'd love to be proved wrong!
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why have my previous posts been edited ?,
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Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
why have my previous posts been edited ?,
Who said he doesn't know how way round the studio?
arpz
Just wanted to talk about this a bit again... There was a special VIP track released to backers that sounds wicked, just got home to listen on proper speakers and it's good really deep sounding production.
There's been quite a few different videos posted via Vibes' facebook and I can say that my initial concerns have all but disappeared, they really do seem to have their hearts and souls in it. I can't wait :)
Vladel
If their heart and soul was in it, a normal release would suffice,
Samination
quote:Originally posted by Vladel:
If their heart and soul was in it, a normal release would suffice,
but that would rape them :(
Skidzorz
DELETED: forum refuses to delete my doubled reply -___-
Skidzorz
Haven't finished reading this entire thread yet (made it to page 4) but god damn it has skarr ever lost the plot.
If you don't like the idea you don't like the idea but that's not the way to express it. It could be the absolute worst way to release an album ever and your posts would still make what you're saying seem ridiculous. Get off the drugs, calm the **** down, and get over yourself. If you don't like the idea don't pay for it - I didn't pay for Ham's (though that was more due to funds at the time) and I won't be paying for this (if there was a physical release for either project I probably would've convinced myself to do so, but I refuse to buy PS4 games digitally so paying $200 for something digital is out of the question) - but it's far from a scam. You don't need to pay for it. You don't need to be involved. And they're telling you EXACTLY what you're paying for and getting.
The tactic and wording may seem a bit upfront for you but they aren't lying about anything, they aren't misleading you, and they aren't trying to make your final purchase appear to be Somethig it's not.
Owen even responded to a poster saying "if you're more a fan of *insert track name & years* then this isn't for you". I don't know about you but that's the exact opposite of a scam.
This may not be you [you plural - this is to the entire post] but if that's the case you're not being lied to about the contents and you're not beig pushed and pushed into buying it. They've got strong advertising but that's it. I probably would to if it was something of this magnitude. But scam? Sorry, no.
And back to skarr - maybe he has produced music. Maybe they're like Hixxy and they've been producing music this entire time. And maybe he's not the biggest fan of how much people just steal and download music these days and he justifiably wanted to get paid for his work. I know quite a few producers who only DJ now because of that. They'll produce but won't release shit because they feel ripped off. So maybe he's just tring to see the willingness of fans to actually pay for the music he has/will make. I probably would rethink about releasing my music in a normal manner given the environment these days. It's not the making the album that's costing 100$ .. It's the releasing it. You can't make the claim that it's solely a money grab to produce this shit when you have no prior knowledge of whether he has still been doing so this entire time. How much a viable audience do you think there is for this kind of music nowadays? How long do you think it would take before someone just uploaded it and no one else bought in? The experience with Ham's release has shown that people are much less likely to leak something they paid $200 for.
OR, maybe he hasn't produced music. I don't know what Vibes does nowadays but I get the feeling that his career has nothing to do wit producing hardcore, and despite what some producers may make you believe making music doesn't take two hours. Making quality music doesn't just take an afternoon. And if you're any older than 25 then you'd know that even if you have your weekends off, sometimes work is just that tiring, that exhausting, that even hobbies or things you enjoy get pushed to the side and you just watch TV or relax, working on ANYTHJNG seeming like a horrendous concept. I don't k ow about you but tacks don't just come fully
Formed in my head, there's a lot of tweaking and experimenting and countless other shit that goes into producing a track. The point being that maybe they just flat out don't have the time to produce a quality album such as thousand are tring to find a way to do so. I know someone who was in the studio for a couple days while Vince Staples was working on Big Fish Theory and knowing what that process was like it doesn't surprise me in the slightest Owen's explanations here, and though I can understand people not buying in despite his explanations I think he's done and posted enough here to prove to you he's not scaming anybody or pulling ge wool over our eyes. Heavy marketing? Yes. Scam? **** no.
You don't know anything about this and your posts look insane because of this.
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This was written after reading up to page 4 so maybe he's apologized since or taken a step back and realized how nutty he's sounding but I needed to post this - even if it was a drunken, forgotten in the morning, rant.
No ones scamming anybody. Slow your roll, sir.
EDIT (after reading rest of the thread): I have to co-sign Owen's statement about devaluing of music. It happens with everything. Once you start giving people shit for free they no longer feel like they have to pay for it. Spotify charges and people are okay with it but when YouTube and Soundcloud tried charging for their services after being free for so long everyone sounded off wth a very emphatic **** NO. He's absolutely right in that giving away so much music for free or charging so little for it makes people much less inclined to actually pay for it when they do try and get some money out of us. This is very prevelant in rap - because most of the newer artists aren't really selling their music (Chance hasn't erased an official album that's sold in stores/online yet and he has at least $10,000,000) a lot of the releases by older acts (and most of the newer ones) are of much lower quality production/mixing/ mastering wise because they just flat out don't have the money behind it to do it professionally, and newer acts don't even think about it because it's all coming out for free. This can and will happen in the HC scene if people aren't willing to pay Ppdocusra what the music is worth. I paid $20 for the Entity-Material CD. That gave me at least 15 full tracks and a mix CD .. In 1997 you'd get 2 full tracks for a $10 vinyl. Trying to charge $10 for two songs nowadays and you'll get laughed out the room. That ony took $20 years. Even paying $20 for a CD these days seems blasphemous to some kids/people. That only took 10 years. Owen's not wrong in wanting to try and put a stop to that.
Skidzorz
Also @ Owen - I support this idea and though I understand people's skepticism and passing on the project (as I admittedly would) I don't really have much negative to say about it, however come on man ... Trying to use Piano Confusion as an example of how long tracks can take to make is a bit misleading; the drums on that chOOn are absolutely insane and sound about as close to perfect as breaks can sound these days .. You know what you're doing by mentioning that xD
Skidzorz
HOWEVER, if there is one negative about this release it would have to be this: HC has a lot of lost tracks. Whether it be because the DAT's were destroyed or because it was only a small vinyl release HC has a lot
Of music that's completely disappeared. ****, even CDJ said that the Eyeopner files were almost completely lost until recently. And that's a large released tune.
My biggest worry is eventually these tracks will be lost forever. This feeing isn't just about this project - I felt this way about HAM's and have about many vinyl only releases (Hixxy being the most egregious here) , let alone all the rap, punk and metal that has disappeared aftwr never having been released or because it was on some weird obscure label.
I know this may go against their original plans but after a certain amount of time I am 100% behind people
leaking this shit. After 2-3 years no one will really care about playing them out (not that they won't, but it won't be like they're taking away from the people who DID pay originally) so it won't really have any effect on the purchasers, but it's limited digital releases like this that eventually disappear for good.
There's a whole bunch of people talking about how they can no longer get songs they had previously purchased because they're no longer avilable online in theVinylgroover thread. Now, it's not so likely that this will happen but what if everyone who has the digital copie has there computers wiped or needs to reinstall Windows or what have you?
There was a HC artist whose hard drive died a few years back (might've even been Vinylgroover) and he lost yeeeeears of music, some of which he can ever get back because of limited releases.
If the original producer can't get their own music back the. It's entirely possible that if only 50 people buy a track that 10 will eventually lose it while changing computer, 20 will have to wipe their computer at one point and then the other 20 forget .. Songs can get lost and as much as an artist may not want some of their music released widely this is one for he few items where I would go against he artist's wishes and after a few years release the tracks. I'm all about archiving and preserving shit I enjoy and were already losing most of those original Jordan's because of the glue drying up and we've already lost a bunch of 90's rap because of shitty preservation tactics, I do not want that to happen to HC that only has a fan base of about 10,000 willing to actually support the scene fully and buy compilations. We are not a big scene and it's way too simple to have stuff disappear forever.
Everytime I see a thread or post by a producer on here saying that they've lost such and such track foreve because of whatever reason it saddens me.
Samination
quote:Originally posted by Skidzorz:
There was a HC artist whose hard drive died a few years back (might've even been Vinylgroover) and he lost yeeeeears of music, some of which he can ever get back because of limited releases.
That would be DJ UFO actually. And Hixxy too (but I have a feeling he might've had his stuff on UFO's drives :P)
Owen P
Oh this thread! :D
I'm a little too busy to be digging deep into every little comment at the moment, but I promise I'll be back to respond to certain points, and I'll come with exciting new info as well.
<3
Owen P
quote:Originally posted by arpz:
Just wanted to talk about this a bit again... There was a special VIP track released to backers that sounds wicked, just got home to listen on proper speakers and it's good really deep sounding production.
There's been quite a few different videos posted via Vibes' facebook and I can say that my initial concerns have all but disappeared, they really do seem to have their hearts and souls in it. I can't wait :)
Many thanks by the way, you won't be disappointed. Promise. :)
Sulphurik
Any updates on the album?
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by Sulphurik:
Any updates on the album?
last thing they sent out was in oct i think. you can scope vibes fb page for more info; looks like they were in the studio making a a track with dougal last :)
so hyped for this still!!. also swooped that last package from kniteforce with that future primitive vinyl/ cd. right up this alley no doubt . woulda swooped the paul bradley one too but it sold out :(
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by trippnface:
quote:Originally posted by Sulphurik:
Any updates on the album?
woulda swooped the paul bradley one too but it sold out :(
The vinyl is still available mate :) The CDs were a limited thing, if you ask Luna-C he might or might not have left overs (I genuinely don't know if there are spares).
trippnface
that tiny little sample they showed us on vibes fb sounded so ****** legit. This is gunna be killer, cannot wait.
looks like kniteforce has some banger shit coming out too,so impressed.
Will def swoop captn triceps vinyl if still there next time, and whatever new comes next package. I dont even spin and am going to have a nice collection of modern old skool breakbeat hardcore on vinyl haha.
Captain Triceps
My new EP will be available Monday, 5 track CD, all old skool hardcore style, pianos and breakbeats :)
I'll link here when it's available!
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
My new EP will be available Monday, 5 track CD, all old skool hardcore style, pianos and breakbeats :)
I'll link here when it's available!
down. how do we know if something gets added to the next bundle or if we gotta buy it seperately?
i dont wana miss out by chancing stuff selling out but def want to bundle as much as possible lol.
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by trippnface:
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
My new EP will be available Monday, 5 track CD, all old skool hardcore style, pianos and breakbeats :)
I'll link here when it's available!
down. how do we know if something gets added to the next bundle or if we gotta buy it seperately?
i dont wana miss out by chancing stuff selling out but def want to bundle as much as possible lol.
Ok I?m not reading through every comment. Does anyone want to split the costs?
trippnface
mmmmmmm so close
vibes project > ham project
;)
trippnface
anybody friends with hattrixx on fb? wondering what the deal is :P
skarr
oi bloomin bloody oi, it's crazy wazy mad cracker vibesy wibsey ere, basically I've been walking round taking pictures of shit cars, whilst me ode mate 'attrixx as been making tunes, so please bare with us.
skarr
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trippnface
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
vibes and hattrix, what you're doing is a ****ing disgrace, it's as simple as that.
bruh
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djgimp
Hi all, this has been asked a few times already but has anyone heard anything about this? It's really frustrating as there's been no update whatsoever after new year. Most of us have been patient enough but as time ticks by and March is on the horizon, I for one would like to know what's happening at least. I know great man Vibes was in hospital which is fair enough but there's still zero action. I'm a massive Vibes, Hattrix and overall Happy Hardcore fan, as you can tell from my Soundcloud page and enjoy getting involved in these projects. I backed the Ham project, the Sharkey completionist edition, MPS's crowdfunded Fast Floor reissue (plus many more on the site) and obviously this Vibes & Hattrix album. Most of these have had problems and deadlines missed but this is the one that I was looking forward to the most to be honest. As this is the most expensive of those mentioned and we were originally promised this as a Christmas present, I'm just a tad disappointed. Anyone else feel the same?
trippnface
I messaged Hattrixx and he said things are done, he is completing mixdowns and such, and that is all his department, so it is just hattrixx on the job now. I think he really wants it to be absolutely perfect, and I don't blame him with all the time and effort he has put into it.
I do agree though, some more communication could not have hurt.
really looking forward to this project
trippnface
Vibes could definitely stop ignoring/ deleting the multiple comments left on his db page asking what the deal is though.
Pretty ******** as he clearly says something everyday, unrelated to the 2 month late project.
Not even the extra months, it's how he can't seem to give us an update...
arpz
Read the first two lines of the first image of this thread
:D
Samination
I still feel offended that I'm not "deep" enough part of the Hardcore family because I didn't get this. And they call Gammer & CO elitists? :P
Hard2Get
It's because you're Danish.
skarr
I reckon they've tried to avoid paying tax on the money they took off everyone and now shits hit the fan, or something like that, either way your all going to get ripped off, at least you felt like you were one of the boys for a bit though.
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
I reckon they've tried to avoid paying tax on the money they took off everyone and now shits hit the fan, or something like that, either way your all going to get ripped off, at least you felt like you were one of the boys for a bit though.
How would that stop them from releasing the music?
skarr
I don't know, I'm no law expert, I'm just saying what I think might have happened, when this was 1st announced vibes said everyone that gave him money would be his best mate and 'proper looked after ' , but now he's ignoring people and deleting comments.
Captain Triceps
Are you sure? Both him and Hattrixx have replied to my comments, both on their FB wall and via chat.
skarr
oh right what did they say ? apologies if I'm incorrect.
djgimp
Owen has posted a new video update on the course page explaining all.
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
oh right what did they say ? apologies if I'm incorrect.
Explained the situation, apologised, nothing concrete other than the tracks are done and need mixing down which is Hattrixx's department. I'm disappointed it is so late, but it is what it is.
For what it is worth, I didn't go in alone - obviously it's still a fair bit of money for 11 tracks, but there have been bonus VIP tracks, and all the samples and more, and of course the vinyl. For what I paid, it's not bad value at all.
The only gripe is the lateness. As I am highly confident they won't just take the money and run, I can wait a little longer.
If they DO take the money and disappear, I will eat every member of this forums hats.
trippnface
i aint trippn
vibes has some ... interesting vibes lol, but full faith in hattrixx. dude has his heart in it 100%
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
oh right what did they say ? apologies if I'm incorrect.
Explained the situation, apologised, nothing concrete other than the tracks are done and need mixing down which is Hattrixx's department. I'm disappointed it is so late, but it is what it is.
For what it is worth, I didn't go in alone - obviously it's still a fair bit of money for 11 tracks, but there have been bonus VIP tracks, and all the samples and more, and of course the vinyl. For what I paid, it's not bad value at all.
The only gripe is the lateness. As I am highly confident they won't just take the money and run, I can wait a little longer.
If they DO take the money and disappear, I will eat every member of this forums hats.
and whats up with that hattrixx remix of a dj demo track at the end of that last update.. sounds sick!
The drunken scotsman
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
oh right what did they say ? apologies if I'm incorrect.
They said Skarr is a fanny and he should ram his apology up his arse. Or so I heard.
Owen P
Only just come back to this thread for a while. Last time I saw, everyone was talking about Kniteforce and then I forgot to check back. Been busy! ;)
quote:Originally posted by djgimp:
Hi all, this has been asked a few times already but has anyone heard anything about this? It's really frustrating as there's been no update whatsoever after new year. Most of us have been patient enough but as time ticks by and March is on the horizon, I for one would like to know what's happening at least. I know great man Vibes was in hospital which is fair enough but there's still zero action. I'm a massive Vibes, Hattrix and overall Happy Hardcore fan, as you can tell from my Soundcloud page and enjoy getting involved in these projects. I backed the Ham project, the Sharkey completionist edition, MPS's crowdfunded Fast Floor reissue (plus many more on the site) and obviously this Vibes & Hattrix album. Most of these have had problems and deadlines missed but this is the one that I was looking forward to the most to be honest. As this is the most expensive of those mentioned and we were originally promised this as a Christmas present, I'm just a tad disappointed. Anyone else feel the same?
Mate, first of all MASSIVE RESPECT. I've been on a strict diet of '92-'95 breakbeat/happy music for the past couple of months, and I've become a huge fan of your SoundCloud project. Not trying to sweeten you up, just really gassed to find out that you're the one behind it!
Anyways, apologies for the wait, it's not for nothing. You'll forgive me when you have the music, I promise. You'll understand why it took longer than anticipated. The lateness has nothing to do with Shane being in hospital briefly, and everything to do with our commitment to deliver something truly spectacular. I feel I've really got the best out of Shane on this venture, and he's held me to my highest standards too. I wouldn't be hyping it up if I feared it might not go down well. You're exactly the kind of hardcore heavyweight character we had in mind when we set out to do this project, you'll see...
Owen P
quote:Originally posted by trippnface:
Vibes could definitely stop ignoring/ deleting the multiple comments left on his db page asking what the deal is though.
Pretty ******** as he clearly says something everyday, unrelated to the 2 month late project.
Not even the extra months, it's how he can't seem to give us an update...
I didn't know there were deleted comments. I personally deleted one (after speaking to the author on the phone and getting his blessing to delete the comment), I'd be very surprised if Shane intentionally deleted any others.
As for ignoring comments, I think he's been messaging people privately as much as possible, but he does get overloaded with people sending him tunes and asking questions and so on. Also he's not exactly "hifi" on the tech scene. He only got a smartphone for the first time very recently, then damaged the screen so he couldn't use it. :D I'm sure if you were to phone him or text him (the old fashioned) way he'd be more than happy to answer ? his number is on the first video as you come into the user area. Nobody's intentionally ducking questions anyway.
Sorry for the lack of video diary updates ? addressing that now. That was literally because I was prioritising putting time into the music, rushing to get it finished off ASAP. It's a tough gig, but I chose to do it and I'm more than happy I did.
Owen P
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
I still feel offended that I'm not "deep" enough part of the Hardcore family because I didn't get this. And they call Gammer & CO elitists? :P
FFS man, I gave you SO much stuff to be offended about, and that's the best you can come up with???
This project isn't for you. You are a vegan complaining about a butcher's menu.
Actually that's a bad analogy.............. Actually it's a good analogy.
Owen P
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
I reckon they've tried to avoid paying tax on the money they took off everyone and now shits hit the fan, or something like that, either way your all going to get ripped off, at least you felt like you were one of the boys for a bit though.
I must say, I'm proud of you, Skarr. You've come a long way since the start of this thread. Decided to knock the comedy on the head in favour of becoming a private investigator? Good on you. Inspector Gadget better watch his back. It's quite interesting, because avoiding tax is actually legal. I wouldn't expect you to know that in your infinite wisdom, though.
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by Owen P:
quote:Originally posted by trippnface:
Vibes could definitely stop ignoring/ deleting the multiple comments left on his db page asking what the deal is though.
Pretty ******** as he clearly says something everyday, unrelated to the 2 month late project.
Not even the extra months, it's how he can't seem to give us an update...
I didn't know there were deleted comments. I personally deleted one (after speaking to the author on the phone and getting his blessing to delete the comment), I'd be very surprised if Shane intentionally deleted any others.
As for ignoring comments, I think he's been messaging people privately as much as possible, but he does get overloaded with people sending him tunes and asking questions and so on. Also he's not exactly "hifi" on the tech scene. He only got a smartphone for the first time very recently, then damaged the screen so he couldn't use it. :D I'm sure if you were to phone him or text him (the old fashioned) way he'd be more than happy to answer ? his number is on the first video as you come into the user area. Nobody's intentionally ducking questions anyway.
Sorry for the lack of video diary updates ? addressing that now. That was literally because I was prioritising putting time into the music, rushing to get it finished off ASAP. It's a tough gig, but I chose to do it and I'm more than happy I did.
well I saw 1 pretty nasty comment that deserved to be deleted, but i could have sworn i saw 1 or 2 more dissapear, possible i looked in wrong spot.
I get he is not the techy - ist guy, but he was posting a good amount of videos or atleast mini updates on facebook, but it has been silent for a good while, though he still posts quite alot of other stuff ( so my butt hurt self felt like he could atleast update us lol) but you got back to us anyway, so no harm.
Six months is def a rough deadline, i am not suprised it took longer.
Samination
quote:Originally posted by Owen P:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
I still feel offended that I'm not "deep" enough part of the Hardcore family because I didn't get this. And they call Gammer & CO elitists? :P
FFS man, I gave you SO much stuff to be offended about, and that's the best you can come up with???
This project isn't for you. You are a vegan complaining about a butcher's menu.
Actually that's a bad analogy.............. Actually it's a good analogy.
"They're only for you, the real deep hardcore family". That's clearly telling me that I'm not deep, or part of the hardcore family at all. So unless you're consider bacon to be a vegan dish, then your analogy is very wrong.
I've already conceded that this project wasn't for me, but I wont let it slide that I don't involve myself in the Hardcore scene "because I didn't support this project".
You're whinging for the sake whinging. It's like complaining about an event or album marketing itself only for "the real ravers", "the true hardcore" or whatever, that features nothing but generic same-sounding modern hardcore. Forget the gash music, they said I'm not really hardcore!
Owen P
quote:Originally posted by trippnface:
well I saw 1 pretty nasty comment that deserved to be deleted,
Pretty sure that was the only one, but I take your point.
quote:I get he is not the techy - ist guy, but he was posting a good amount of videos or atleast mini updates on facebook, but it has been silent for a good while, though he still posts quite alot of other stuff ( so my butt hurt self felt like he could atleast update us lol) but you got back to us anyway, so no harm.
Those public mini video updates were while we were still in the creative stage, which ended in November. There's just not much point in doing those now because we can't really show much without giving too much away. There's a nice big video update coming to the private user area right now, anyway. It's around 45 minutes long and it'll be up this evening. :)
Si Thompson
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
quote:Originally posted by Owen P:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
I still feel offended that I'm not "deep" enough part of the Hardcore family because I didn't get this. And they call Gammer & CO elitists? :P
FFS man, I gave you SO much stuff to be offended about, and that's the best you can come up with???
This project isn't for you. You are a vegan complaining about a butcher's menu.
Actually that's a bad analogy.............. Actually it's a good analogy.
"They're only for you, the real deep hardcore family". That's clearly telling me that I'm not deep, or part of the hardcore family at all. So unless you're consider bacon to be a vegan dish, then your analogy is very wrong.
I've already conceded that this project wasn't for me, but I wont let it slide that I don't involve myself in the Hardcore scene "because I didn't support this project".
Casual.
arpz
I really enjoyed the update, one thing I've moaned about before is a bit of a lack of people talking about the old days.
I phoned Vibes the other night and he chatted at me (it's as difficult to get a word in as you'd probably imagine) for ten minutes or so and while it's correct to say there's been a lack of updates I get the feeling that when he/they say 'Call me anytime' they genuinely would answer the calls and have a chat.
Want the delay to be over but it is what it is, have faith that it's gonna be good :D
djgimp
A great update with Bunter and Vibes reminiscing. Thanks Owen.
skarr
What's the latest on this then ?
djDMS
Vibes is waiting for your approval before he carries on with it.
trippnface
Starting to get twitchier than a crack addict
I am 100% convinced the quality is going to be superb, def get those perfectionist vibes from hattrixx lol. 6 months was obviously a very modest estimate for this amount of effort
skarr
quote:Originally posted by Owen P:
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
I reckon they've tried to avoid paying tax on the money they took off everyone and now shits hit the fan, or something like that, either way your all going to get ripped off, at least you felt like you were one of the boys for a bit though.
I must say, I'm proud of you, Skarr. You've come a long way since the start of this thread. Decided to knock the comedy on the head in favour of becoming a private investigator? Good on you. Inspector Gadget better watch his back. It's quite interesting, because avoiding tax is actually legal. I wouldn't expect you to know that in your infinite wisdom, though.
Yep , avoiding tax is DEFINITELY legal, let's hear some tunes then hattytricky ? Or at least some clips Mr trixx.
skarr
It doesn't take 5 months to master an album, ask Ham , you've all been RIPPED OFF ,
arpz
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
It doesn't take 5 months to master an album, ask Ham , you've all been RIPPED OFF ,
Piss off you boring ****
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
It doesn't take 5 months to master an album, ask Ham , you've all been RIPPED OFF ,
bro, you so jelly im gettin those 93/94/95 vibes.
trippnface
anybody get another update chunk but no update?
Captain Triceps
Yeah, it says 88% but all the updates are 100%?
I left Hattrixx a 'ahem' on his Facebook - we are (still) nearly there.
I'll miss all this once it's done.
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
Yeah, it says 88% but all the updates are 100%?
I left Hattrixx a 'ahem' on his Facebook - we are (still) nearly there.
I'll miss all this once it's done.
lol
trippnface
1 year project :p
GrahamC
Glad I didn't get in on this in the end, I would be really nervous, it's over 6 months late now :(
Si Thompson
quote:Originally posted by GrahamC:
Glad I didn't get in on this in the end
You may well regret that.
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
quote:Originally posted by GrahamC:
Glad I didn't get in on this in the end
You may well regret that.
if it ever gets released. This is pretty ridiculous.
Not sure how long something can be absolutely, nearly, seriously almost finished!
GrahamC
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
quote:Originally posted by GrahamC:
Glad I didn't get in on this in the end
You may well regret that.
I'll never know as I won't ever hear them...
skarr
I'm such a boring tit, anyone ready to admit they have been ****ed over yet? I hate to say it, I really do, but, I. Told....you......so.........
skarr
quote:Originally posted by arpz:
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
It doesn't take 5 months to master an album, ask Ham , you've all been RIPPED OFF ,
Piss off you boring ****
You got conned, same as everyone else did......
skarr
But at least your were 'part of the firm ' for a bit though.
skarr
And you all got 'proper looked after ' , what the **** is actually wrong with you people??......
arpz
It's a pisstake but I don't believe it's a con, it's delayed but it's happening.
You're a fucking sad cunt aren't you? I don't think I've seen you post anything of any value in any thread and I don't think anyone has been amused by any of your low-tier trolling. By all means keep doing it but don't forget about how much of a tantrum you threw once your identity was outed lol
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by arpz:
It's a pisstake but I don't believe it's a con, it's delayed but it's happening.
You're a fucking sad cunt aren't you?
once your identity was outed lol
Wha? Anyone of note?
arpz
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
quote:Originally posted by arpz:
It's a pisstake but I don't believe it's a con, it's delayed but it's happening.
You're a fucking sad cunt aren't you?
once your identity was outed lol
Wha? Anyone of note?
Not in the slightest. Found his FB, posted a picture on here and then there was a lot of crying over me supposedly 'hacking' his facebook.
Captain Triceps
Ah that does ring a bell, must have missed the big reveal though.
djDMS
Poor lad.
Skarred him for life.
skarr
Ok all that aside, are you being proppa looked after by vibes n 'attrix ?and are you still part of the firm?
djDMS
Yeah, I've been proppa looked after.
I didn't even buy in but they came round to my house to cook me some tea and I even got a foot massage after.
Top lads!
skarr
Are you part of the firm though ?
djDMS
I AM the firm, son.
skarr
Did you pay your ?150 to 'get involved ' though? Because if you didn't, you are not one of the firm .
skarr
quote:Originally posted by arpz:
It's a pisstake but I don't believe it's a con, it's delayed but it's happening.
You're a fucking sad cunt aren't you? I don't think I've seen you post anything of any value in any thread and I don't think anyone has been amused by any of your low-tier trolling. By all means keep doing it but don't forget about how much of a tantrum you threw once your identity was outed lol
Arpz you're a good man and actually really funny, but 'attrix talked you into sending him onefiddy, for an album that doesn't exist, just think about it mate......
skarr
But you were part of the firm for a bit though and you was proppa mates with vibes n 'attrix, so even if the album doesn't come out (which it won't) at least you're one of the firm.
skarr
Is there any official word from 'attrix or that crazy wazy loony toony vibesy wibesy? Are you mad cracker jackers being kept in the loop ? You absolute NUTBAGS!
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
But you were part of the firm for a bit though and you was proppa mates with vibes n 'attrix, so even if the album doesn't come out (which it won't) at least you're one of the firm.
lol. between you, guest, & kotu, half this forum has collectively went kookoo!
skarr
Collectively 'gone'
skarr
I'm the crazy one ? I'm the lunatic? I'm not the one that handed over 150 for something that doesn't exist.....
skarr
I'm definitely 'koo koo ' because I didn't 'get involved ' with the album that came out last Christmas.... .. sorry I mean the album that has taken 8 months to master , and is deffo weffo without a doubty woubty %98 done.
arpz
Have you even got 150 quid mate?
skarr
No, but 'attrix has.
arpz
I don't understand why it bothers you so much?
skarr
Because I don't like to see people being lied to and ripped off.
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
Because I don't like to see people being lied to and ripped off.
you were bitching before the project even started lol.
skarr
Do you feel like you 'got involved ' with the album arpz,? I've just listened to one of your mixes, it was very good, really tight and well put together, how you got talked into handing over 150 of you're hard earned I'll never know .......maybe 'attrix or vibesy messaged you personally and talked you into it ?
skarr
quote:Originally posted by trippnface:
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
Because I don't like to see people being lied to and ripped off.
you were bitching before the project even started lol.
Because I knew it was a rip off, same as the ham scam, the ham album was awful, really really awful , but nobody that paid for it will admit it because they don't want to admit they got f u c k e d over, same as what's happening with this ' album '
skarr
Especially when ham posted the link to the download for the album that 'somebody ' had uploaded lol, he charged everyone a ton and then made out somebody had uploaded the album and then posted a link to how to download it lol .
Samination
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
quote:Originally posted by trippnface:
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
Because I don't like to see people being lied to and ripped off.
you were bitching before the project even started lol.
Because I knew it was a rip off, same as the ham scam, the ham album was awful, really really awful , but nobody that paid for it will admit it because they don't want to admit they got f u c k e d over, same as what's happening with this ' album '
Admittingly, I only paided 25% of the full price, but I guess you've missed out on me saying that I didn't like most of the tracks? You're as blind as a bat, which, in a Political Correct world would be saying that your eyesight is actually much better than a human, but I'm not a Political Correct person, so just go F yourself
skarr
Well then at least you only got %25 ripped off.
skarr
I wish I would have paid 150 to be on the firm ......
skarr
I reckon maybe 200 people have been talked into this, which is around ?30,000 , for what? A few videos of 'attrix sat in front of a shit computer and good 'ode vibesy wibesy waffling absolute bollocks for 10 minutes.
djDMS
Right now, I'd pay 150 quid for you to do nothing.
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
I wish I would have paid 150 to be on the firm ......
If you bark like hillary clinton, I may allow you to hear a few seconds of choon
skarr
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
Right now, I'd pay 150 quid for you to do nothing.
Which is exactly what you did If you brought into vibesy wibesy n attrix's 'album '
skarr
According to arpz the album came out last week ?
skarr
He said it was really really bad.
Captain Triceps
It just sounds like some sort of electro/D&B hybrid, like Prodigy crossed with Pendulum or something. Barely any vocals. Only 9 tracks as well.
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
It just sounds like some sort of electro/D&B hybrid, like Prodigy crossed with Pendulum or something. Barely any vocals. Only 9 tracks as well.
yea.. and no dougal or bunter collab.. wtf!?
Captain Triceps
I'd forgotten about that. They will be the two missing ones :(
arpz
quote:Originally posted by trippnface:
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
It just sounds like some sort of electro/D&B hybrid, like Prodigy crossed with Pendulum or something. Barely any vocals. Only 9 tracks as well.
yea.. and no dougal or bunter collab.. wtf!?
It's so weird, like having dougal in the studio for that video etc... Still, they delivered an album so at least that's something. To be honest, what Ian is saying is true - I did say it was ****ing awful but really only in terms of how it met the brief - I actually like the style that he went with just not sure it's what we were promised..
I reckon 3rd track has echoes of this in it, what you think?
edit: by Ian I mean skarr btw
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by arpz:
quote:Originally posted by trippnface:
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
It just sounds like some sort of electro/D&B hybrid, like Prodigy crossed with Pendulum or something. Barely any vocals. Only 9 tracks as well.
yea.. and no dougal or bunter collab.. wtf!?
It's so weird, like having dougal in the studio for that video etc... Still, they delivered an album so at least that's something. To be honest, what Ian is saying is true - I did say it was ****ing awful but really only in terms of how it met the brief - I actually like the style that he went with just not sure it's what we were promised..
I reckon 3rd track has echoes of this in it, what you think?
edit: by Ian I mean skarr btw
I mean... objectively, pretty disastrous. Subjectively, it sounds not half bad.
I guess we all owe Ian an apology
djDMS
Oh no way!
That just makes it all the better that I didn't go for it.
Captain Triceps
The real kicker is the vinyl won't be happening anymore. That was one of the main selling points.
Not that I would care for 4 tracks from this on vinyl, I'll play it again a few times but this isn't the old skool I had in mind.
djDMS
Obviously I haven't heard any of it but I totally respect you guys opinion so I'll happily take that at face value.
Can't agree with the 'apologise to Skarr' idea though!
Samination
So, how true was it that more people actually bought this over the Ham one? I've barely seen any discussion of this compared to the Ham one (other than here).
arpz
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
So, how true was it that more people actually bought this over the Ham one? I've barely seen any discussion of this compared to the Ham one (other than here).
No idea on figures. hasn't been mentioned afaik
skarr
There was around 200, they had dougal in the studio because he's friends with them, how can you not see all this?
Because that was beautiful. I would have gone in on it if I'd had the money if they were all like that...
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
There was around 200, they had dougal in the studio because he's friends with them, how can you not see all this?
I asked last week how many were in, he said between 25-30 (not including groups, of course). Not nearly as many as first thought.
Samination
So, +500 registered, but less than 10% actually ended up shelling out?
But in the end, they still did the tracks, even if it was without ALL those bonuses they promised. (see, my rant about too much is too much might've scared people off!). I'm sure Ham would've called it off if he never got around 90 of the 100 people he asked for, depending on how much of those 10,000 quid he really required.
Captain Triceps
I didn't care, I just wanted the tracks.
I'm warming somewhat to HV#3, the one with the long garage breakdown you can scratch over. The rest haven't really grown in me.
Samination
Will someone do a mix like arpz did with the tracks so we can get a better picture of the tracks?
Captain Triceps
We sort of made an unofficial agreement not to include the tracks in any mixes for at least six months. Maybe someone else will, I dunno.
djgimp
Are people joking here? Not had anything yet.
skarr
Arpz said it was 'Fuc king awful ' then panicked at the fact I might say something and tried to say he actually quite liked it as he was worried he'd get kicked off the firm and then started shouting my name about in the hope i would shut up lol
djgimp
Makes sense
skarr
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
We sort of made an unofficial agreement not to include the tracks in any mixes for at least six months. Maybe someone else will, I dunno.
Did vibezy wibesy n attracix stick to their agrements. ?
skarr
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
I didn't care, I just wanted the tracks.
I'm warming somewhat to HV#3, the one with the long garage breakdown you can scratch over. The rest haven't really grown in me.
Are the tracks just called hv and then a number? This just gets more hillarious by the minute, and the reason there are no vocals is cause attrix hasnt got a microphone.
Captain Triceps
Yeah but that was official. This is unofficial. Completely different.
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
I didn't care, I just wanted the tracks.
I'm warming somewhat to HV#3, the one with the long garage breakdown you can scratch over. The rest haven't really grown in me.
Are the tracks just called hv and then a number? This just gets more hillarious by the minute, and the reason there are no vocals is cause attrix hasnt got a microphone.
Well, two of them are VH rather than HV but yeah.
skarr
Fuc king hell man they have really taken the pi.ss out of everyone. Even I'm surprised .
Captain Triceps
Piss takers everywhere mate.
skarr
They will be saving the colabs with bunter and dougal for another rip off
skarr
At the end of the day it's hardcore djs were talking about here, not exactly the most reputable bunch to say the least.
Si Thompson
quote:Originally posted by djgimp:
Are people joking here? Not had anything yet.
Nothing has been released yet.
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
quote:Originally posted by djgimp:
Are people joking here? Not had anything yet.
Nothing has been released yet.
Thanks a lot, Si :(
The drunken scotsman
quote:Originally posted by skarr:
Fuc king hell man they have really taken the pi.ss out of everyone. Even I'm surprised .
Just you by the look of it 😂😂😂
Samination
your doin me a big confuse... you rascal :P
arpz
It all fell into place organically (initially at least) beautiful work everyone
Captain Triceps
FOOLS!!!!
Captain Triceps
And before anyone says it, I'm aware of the irony of calling anyone else fools.
djgimp
I woke from nights and saw this. My head was gone!
Samination
Not sure if it was meant to catch just skarr, but it did fool me until Si gaveruined it :P
trippnface
;P
Captain Triceps
Had to lighten the mood around here somehow.
Si Thompson
The album has landed. If you are involved with this project then go and check the user area now.
Captain Triceps
Yep, it genuinely has arrived this time! More to follow!
arpz
So here's my mini mix, picked out a few of the tracks to show you what it's about
It's 2018 but it's like Vibes & Hattrixx got the Delorean out of the garage and loaded up the boot with a bunch of RAM expansions for an AKAI Sampler and headed straight back to '94. It really was worth the wait, I can honestly say that there isn't a track that I don't like. I don't know a massive amount about production but there's no way you could've heard this back in the day, at the same time, if you were to hear it back then, it wouldn't be out of place at all.
There's a lot of variety here but without sacrificing a cohesive sound that follows through the whole album. You're not going to hear the interludes in any mix but they work nicely to reprise the previous track and help tie things together. They've not been sparing with the vocals either, plenty of soulful lyrics spread across all of the tunes complimented by awesome piano riffs and all the good stuff you'd associate with hardcore from the 93-95 era.
They've absolutely fulfilled what they promised, it fits the bill to a tee and both Shane & Owen should be proud of what they've delivered. Check out the mini mix and look out for other inclusions in future mixes from me :)
The Rave Generation
Completely agree with the above - an absolute blinder of an album. It delivers on everything promised and the interludes elevate it beyond a mere collection of tunes and into a "proper" album. Well worth the wait IMO 👍
arpz
You'll have to take my word for it for the time being, had a call to take it down ;)
sam_b
Brilliant album, well done guys. 'Favourite DJ' and 'Avinit' are fantastic. I love the interludes and the mixture of breaks and 4/4.
Captain Triceps
Really, really good album. Totally captures the sound as intended. More than happy.
djgimp
Incredible album. Really happy how it's turned out.
The drunken scotsman
I will reserve judgement until Skarr gives his opinion of it.
djDMS
Skarr is going to smash the shit out of his keyboard when he sees this.
lainnix
Is there a title/tracklist/cover/etc available somewhere to see?
Si Thompson
quote:Originally posted by lainnix:
Is there a title/tracklist/cover/etc available somewhere to see?
No.
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
quote:Originally posted by lainnix:
Is there a title/tracklist/cover/etc available somewhere to see?
No.
Maybe someone should post it on one of the old skool hardcore FB groups ;)
Si Thompson
I shall be featuring some of the tracks in one of my mixes soon.
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
I shall be featuring some of the tracks in one of my mixes soon.
Given it multiple listens today and have come to the conclusion that it reeks of quality 😄 It's a coherent album with its own feel and sound - the scene needs more of this 👍
Samination
Unless someone puts up a mix first, I'll have to tune into Cap's show.
Although I can see that there is a slight novelty in releasing stuff like this. It will never be good in the long run
Si Thompson
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Unless someone puts up a mix first, I'll have to tune into Cap's show.
Although I can see that there is a slight novelty in releasing stuff like this. It will never be good in the long run
You don't half talk some shite on here. I swear you post for the sake of posting. Why are you still in this thread? You've made it quite clear that anything before 1996 is beyond your comprehension, and that it isn't to your taste either. So your opinion on this isn't credible.
I think you'll find that 1991-1995 stuff is actually really popular at the moment. Plenty of Old Skool pages out there on Facebook, and there are sites like MPS, 7th Storey Projects and Ninety Two Retro that are selling out of new and old stuff on vinyl. Producers are still ****in' with breakbeats. It's all good IMO. You can never have enough good music out there.
Triquatra
I don't think he was talking about the genre...I think he was talking about the selling model.
I could be wrong though.
I had a listen when it was played on lazorfm, it sounded absolutely awesome, very cool for those who could afford it!
Samination
Well, I mostly wanted to just reply at what The Rave Generation said, depending on if he ment the album itself, or the sales model.
And I genially want to hear how the final product ended up.
I won't say that I haven't acted like a douche in the thread, because I have. But I still believe this model wont be much better than Gammer slagging everyone off
trippnface
it's pretty damn good, really really enjoy atleast half the tracks, the other half are good but don't quite nail me like I want. It's def a trip to see the difference between what I was expecting vs what we got. Not a bad thing but I was certainly off. Really mellow jazzy rnb kind of vibes over harder/wacky happy piano sounds.
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by Triquatra:
I don't think he was talking about the genre...I think he was talking about the selling model.
I could be wrong though.
I had a listen when it was played on lazorfm, it sounded absolutely awesome, very cool for those who could afford it!
You should have grouped in with people man!
It is brilliant collection, exactly the style I love.
Triquatra
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
You should have grouped in with people man!
It is brilliant collection, exactly the style I love.
Wasn't aware that was an option/I didn't realise they were cool with people doing that. lol
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by Triquatra:
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
You should have grouped in with people man!
It is brilliant collection, exactly the style I love.
Wasn't aware that was an option/I didn't realise they were cool with people doing that. lol
Yeah totally, I mean it beats illegally filesharing it anyway.
Triquatra
Hmmm. How exactly does that beat illegal file sharing it? The artist still only gets sales from 1 copy, but he/she has given it out to more than one person. The only person who profits from it is the original buyer.
The Rave Generation
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Well, I mostly wanted to just reply at what The Rave Generation said, depending on if he ment the album itself, or the sales model.
Ah, I was referring to the notion of original artists and producers putting out credible albums of new music. What I really like about this is how it feels like a proper album and not just a mish mash of different tunes thrown together.
That said, I don't have a problem with the business model either, although I can understand that the price is a barrier to many people. The way I can see it justified is that we're interested in a very niche style of music and therefore selling it at usual album price isn't financially viable. If they were going to sell 5000 copies then fair enough, but as they're only looking to sell 200 it has to come at a price. It's clear a lot of studio time has been spent getting this just right and it's the time that's being paid for.
That said I think it's a shame that it's only limited to 200 copies as its an album that deserves a wider audience. I paid full price but wouldn't have a problem if it was made available to more than 200 customers or even at a lower price. Plus there were enough extras to increase the value.
GrahamC
I was never going to spend ?150 on one album but I would have gone splitsies. Sadly, didn't know anybody else who was game :( Plus, you had to justify why you were splitting the cost which I thought was a bit off.
Plus by about March I would have been very panicky about where it was!
Never mind, people seem happier with this than the Ham album which is nice for them.
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by Triquatra:
Hmmm. How exactly does that beat illegal file sharing it? The artist still only gets sales from 1 copy, but he/she has given it out to more than one person. The only person who profits from it is the original buyer.
Yeah, but I mean, it's still better than illegal filesharing.
The drunken scotsman
Does anyone think we will see this kind of release again? I didnt back this one as its not my style but, despite the positive reviews the music has received on here, the project itself looks to have been a shambles.
Looking back to the start of this thread, they were promising a release before Christmas 2017 and payment was also upfront. What were the reasons for the lengthy delay?
Craig Cairney
Would love to have purchased it, but I couldn't afford it this time around. Have spent a lot of money recently on music. What with the Sharkey album (complete collection) and the forthcoming complete collection of TNC. Plus at the time, I was just coming off spending a hundred quid on the Ham one.
I definitely know I'd enjoy the music though!
Samination
If this was a more traditional kickstarter project, then I would wholeheartedly stand behind it. Or at least I wouldn't be as negative as I was on both this and Ham's project
shades316
quote:Originally posted by Craig Cairney:
Would love to have purchased it, but I couldn't afford it this time around. Have spent a lot of money recently on music. What with the Sharkey album (complete collection) and the forthcoming complete collection of TNC. Plus at the time, I was just coming off spending a hundred quid on the Ham one.
I definitely know I'd enjoy the music though!
There are limited spaces left, I believe. Just message Hattrixx on FB.
Samination
quote:Originally posted by shades316:
There are limited spaces left, I believe. Just message Hattrixx on FB.
Wait what? Are they breaking their own rules by allowing people to buy in afterwards?
shades316
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
quote:Originally posted by shades316:
There are limited spaces left, I believe. Just message Hattrixx on FB.
Wait what? Are they breaking their own rules by allowing people to buy in afterwards?
No that is not the case. There are very limited spaces left as some people signed up and never followed through with payments.
Triquatra
quote:Originally posted by shades316:
quote:Originally posted by Craig Cairney:
Would love to have purchased it, but I couldn't afford it this time around. Have spent a lot of money recently on music. What with the Sharkey album (complete collection) and the forthcoming complete collection of TNC. Plus at the time, I was just coming off spending a hundred quid on the Ham one.
I definitely know I'd enjoy the music though!
There are limited spaces left, I believe. Just message Hattrixx on FB.
Spaces being avialable doesn't put ?150 in my bank account to afford it lol :P
Captain Triceps
That's why you get some trusted pals to club together ;)
Triquatra
I'd rather my money went to the artist tbh, specially in this case where they've put so much work in!
djDMS
The money does go to the artist.
3 people who can afford 50 quid each - artist gets the money.
Same 3 people can't afford 150 quid each - artist gets nothing.
Triquatra
I can't afford 50 quid
3 people paying 50, when they should be paying 150 each is loss of 300 to the artist, but like cyrax suggested earlier, why stop there when 150 people could get it for a pound.
Doesn't seem fair to Vibes or Hatrix, or the people who payed full price; though I guess if one person effectively becoming a reseller is okay then there's nothing to stop them selling their copys on for ?10 a piece until they get their money back.
djDMS
That's just you being cynical though.
People sharing the cost is different to someone selling it on - and I doubt that most involved in this are that way inclined.
Captain Triceps
Correct. They specifically said you can group together. And there are incentives that are there for as long as the music goes unpirated. Free music and other fun stuff will be uploaded to the user area periodically until the day some arsehole uploads them.
Triquatra
I don't deny it's me being cynical and that's because I couldn't afford to get it, and it sounds great! You gotta let me vent on behalf of us paupers and lower class council house dwellers of the UK :P
djDMS
You've just described me....
Triquatra
That's why I said us ;) *takes sip from wineglass of white lightning*
The Rave Generation
I've listened to the album a lot since it's release and written a full track-by-track review.
Here are my thoughts in more detail:
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
Brilliant review mate
Thanks fella 🙂👍
trippnface
while definitely impressed, I was expecting tracks with sound more like Passion, gunna be alright, want your love.
For example, take " want your love " . the piano but from 25 - 1:35 is pretty solid, and a good representation of what we got on most of these new tracks, but I really really like the sound used from 1:35 to 2: 10.
That/those kind of weird noises were what I was really looking for, and honestly gotta be real is kind of the only track that uses that vibe...
Guess i shoulda payed more attention, looks like I am primarily a 95/96 guy :p.
The Rave Generation
quote:Originally posted by trippnface:
while definitely impressed, I was expecting tracks with sound more like Passion, gunna be alright, want your love.
For example, take " want your love " . the piano but from 25 - 1:35 is pretty solid, and a good representation of what we got on most of these new tracks, but I really really like the sound used from 1:35 to 2: 10.
That/those kind of weird noises were what I was really looking for, and honestly gotta be real is kind of the only track that uses that vibe...
Guess i shoulda payed more attention, looks like I am primarily a 95/96 guy :p.
Love that sound 😀 That's why I preferred "Gotta Be Real" over "Still Believe" (I'm only comparing the two as they have similarities in terms of era/style IMO). That said, I wasn't expecting those kind of stabs at all given the albums initial pitch - it was a pleasant surprise for me. I also love the stabs used in Dougal's collab. I imagine you might have liked "Avinit" too?
lainnix
No leak of the wavs yet? I'm surprised. (Maybe I just haven't seen it yet.)
They have no plans of selling the album "normally" anywhere as far as I can tell, so for a lot of people who couldn't get it (or weren't even aware of it) up until now, that might be the only option.
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by The Rave Generation:
quote:Originally posted by trippnface:
while definitely impressed, I was expecting tracks with sound more like Passion, gunna be alright, want your love.
For example, take " want your love " . the piano but from 25 - 1:35 is pretty solid, and a good representation of what we got on most of these new tracks, but I really really like the sound used from 1:35 to 2: 10.
That/those kind of weird noises were what I was really looking for, and honestly gotta be real is kind of the only track that uses that vibe...
Guess i shoulda payed more attention, looks like I am primarily a 95/96 guy :p.
Love that sound 😀 That's why I preferred "Gotta Be Real" over "Still Believe" (I'm only comparing the two as they have similarities in terms of era/style IMO). That said, I wasn't expecting those kind of stabs at all given the albums initial pitch - it was a pleasant surprise for me. I also love the stabs used in Dougal's collab. I imagine you might have liked "Avinit" too?
Gotta be real is def my favorite.
definitely followed by the dougal collab. a superb track, but the bit that comes in around 2:10 absolutely makes it for me. I guess " Stab" must be the term I like so much. That/ those kinda sounds gave( for this, gives) the breakbeat of the era the cheesy/upbeat feeling i associate with hhc without the stomp that came next. I don't think they abused it enough lol. The pianos are on point across the board for sure though.
Not too big on the avnit breakdown personally , my next 2 after would be it's about time & the wish .
now we all get to argue about what gets pressed to vinyl :D
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trippnface
quote:Originally posted by lainnix:
No leak of the wavs yet? I'm surprised. (Maybe I just haven't seen it yet.)
They have no plans of selling the album "normally" anywhere as far as I can tell, so for a lot of people who couldn't get it (or weren't even aware of it) up until now, that might be the only option.
Just come hang out and give it a listen yo.
Captain Triceps
I loved Avinit. I played it on my show tonight and mixed in Feels So Good, as it was an obvious inspiration, especially with the intros.
I hope it doesn't leak, and I wouldn't be opposed to them making it available to more people.
It's too good an album to remain totally exclusive. It's difficult to explain why to anyone who didn't get involved, as it is essentially 1994 style breakbeat hardcore, but the work that was put in really does show. I thought the interludes would ruin the album but quite the opposite is true.
trippnface
I wouldn't be opposed to seein it go out either, they deserve more widespread appreciation for their hard work.
Vladel
For me too many producers have entered c**t mode. I.e pay me ?100 a year for my music because I?m not releasing it or these ?100 an album. It?s much worse or the scene than gammers delusions.
Si Thompson
quote:Originally posted by trippnface: looks like I am primarily a 95/96 guy :p.
Casual.
timmybdj
So i just signed up after reading this entire thread haha! Wheres that Skar kid at now?!
I was scouring the internet to find a mix or snippets of the album, as a potential backer that didn't follow through I have a serious case of the regrets now, but so glad they nailed it and everyones enjoying it so much!
The drunken scotsman
Skarr pops up every now and then... usually at 3am on a Sunday morning when hes out his face on class a drugs and sitting alone in a dark dingy room, bored of wanking himself off to gay porn. He will come on here and continue to act like the complete bellend that he is before vanishing again for several months. Boring and repetitive much like his patter.
djDMS
Now it's time for The Drunken Scotsman's member of the day...
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Skarr pops up every now and then... usually at 3am on a Sunday morning when hes out his face on class a drugs and sitting alone in a dark dingy room, bored of wanking himself off to gay porn. He will come on here and continue to act like the complete bellend that he is before vanishing again for several months. Boring and repetitive much like his patter.
The drunken scotsman
I?d like to hear your thoughts on Smoogie.
The Rave Generation
quote:Originally posted by timmybdj:
So i just signed up after reading this entire thread haha! Wheres that Skar kid at now?!
I was scouring the internet to find a mix or snippets of the album, as a potential backer that didn't follow through I have a serious case of the regrets now, but so glad they nailed it and everyones enjoying it so much!
I don't think it's too late to get a copy. The instrumentals are also now available and the sample packs were released last week :-)
Craigavon raver
quote:Originally posted by The Rave Generation:
I've listened to the album a lot since it's release and written a full track-by-track review.
Here are my thoughts in more detail:
Nice 1! i'll give it a read when i get a chance to :)
soni123
I understand he is not a techie, but he used to post a lot of videos or at least little updates on Facebook, but it has been quiet for a long, though he still posts a lot of other things research paper writer ( so my butt hurt self felt like he could atleast update us lol) But you contacted us anyhow, so no harm done.
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