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Ive gladly unfollowed or unfriended so many people who either went, or 100% support these protests and have no real clue what is behind it all.

My facebook never been so quiet, should have done it sooner.

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Ive gladly unfollowed or unfriended so many people who either went, or 100% support these protests and have no real clue what is behind it all.

My facebook never been so quiet, should have done it sooner.

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Ive gladly unfollowed or unfriended so many people who either went, or 100% support these protests and have no real clue what is behind it all.

My facebook never been so quiet, should have done it sooner.

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I bet they were the same people demanding that Cummings was sacked?

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Ive gladly unfollowed or unfriended so many people who either went, or 100% support these protests and have no real clue what is behind it all.

My facebook never been so quiet, should have done it sooner.

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I bet they were the same people demanding that Cummings was sacked?

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Cummings should have been sacked, obviously.

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Cummings should have been sacked, obviously.

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No that was a plot to oust him. Boris refused to give into media pressure. He might take a bit of a hit in opinion polls but he has a few years before a GE so I doubt he is too bothered by that

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Cummings should have been sacked, obviously.

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No that was a plot to oust him. Boris refused to give into media pressure. He might take a bit of a hit in opinion polls but he has a few years before a GE so I doubt he is too bothered by that

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No, he's a hypocrit that broke the rules. He should have been sacked. Nothing to do with media, he admitted doing it so therefore he should've resigned, or been sacked. Boris looks like total shit, it's good, but it's not enough, our government are a total joke and it's plain for all to see. 4 more years of this, keep smiling :)

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And what about the fking labour ******* MP's like Kinnock who did it way before Cummings, once we were locked down he decided to leave london, and visit his parents in Wales for his fathers birthday, there were pictures, where was your outrage then eh ? The fking hypocrisy is laughable of left wingers.

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And what about the fking labour ******* MP's like Kinnock who did it way before Cummings, once we were locked down he decided to leave london, and visit his parents in Wales for his fathers birthday, there were pictures, where was your outrage then eh ? The fking hypocrisy is laughable of left wingers.

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The Labour supporters have been doing my head in a lot lately. One rule for them and a different one for everyone else. No wonder they keep losing elections!

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The outrage was present, it was widely reported and denounced. The difference is, Labour people haven't been actually riddled with the virus while taking their jaunts around the country.

The hypocrisy goes up a notch when you're the person that actually came up with the rules and slogans.

Honestly, if lefty is supposed to be an insult then I'll take it. Having compassion for other people isn't a negative trait in my eyes.

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And what about the fking labour ******* MP's like Kinnock who did it way before Cummings, once we were locked down he decided to leave london, and visit his parents in Wales for his fathers birthday, there were pictures, where was your outrage then eh ? The fking hypocrisy is laughable of left wingers.

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The Labour supporters have been doing my head in a lot lately. One rule for them and a different one for everyone else. No wonder they keep losing elections!

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They are absolute idiots, they deny everything, and just point the finger at others. Its a dangerous time tbh because they are the core of organisations like Antifa. Thankfully now people are waking up to them, after the last lot of riots, and seeing their are hijacking the whole thing for their own end, which is pretty much Anarchy, tearing down all monuments, labelling everyone that doesnt agree with them as a racist. Shows how stupid they are when they deface Churchills monument as a racist, but it was the guy he won a war against was the real racist, but I guess racism against Jewish people doesn't count in their book. Shows how stupid they are tbh.

Starmer is even worse than Corbyn from what I can see. Absolutely clueless. Especially when I see MP's like Dawn Butler attacking the likes of Priti Patel saying she doesnt understand racism, LMFAO Please, that was pure comedy in the HoC.

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And what about the fking labour ******* MP's like Kinnock who did it way before Cummings, once we were locked down he decided to leave london, and visit his parents in Wales for his fathers birthday, there were pictures, where was your outrage then eh ? The fking hypocrisy is laughable of left wingers.

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The Labour supporters have been doing my head in a lot lately. One rule for them and a different one for everyone else. No wonder they keep losing elections!

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They are absolute idiots, they deny everything, and just point the finger at others. Its a dangerous time tbh because they are the core of organisations like Antifa. Thankfully now people are waking up to them, after the last lot of riots, and seeing their are hijacking the whole thing for their own end, which is pretty much Anarchy, tearing down all monuments, labelling everyone that doesnt agree with them as a racist. Shows how stupid they are when they deface Churchills monument as a racist, but it was the guy he won a war against was the real racist, but I guess racism against Jewish people doesn't count in their book. Shows how stupid they are tbh.

Starmer is even worse than Corbyn from what I can see. Absolutely clueless. Especially when I see MP's like Dawn Butler attacking the likes of Priti Patel saying she doesnt understand racism, LMFAO Please, that was pure comedy in the HoC.

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I saw that Priti Patel video. Did you see the BBC version compared to the full video? They cut most of it out.

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Yeah they would do, because it showed the labour MP as an absolute idiot. A black woman suggesting Priti Patel has no idea about racism. Its sad but I think everyone of colour has probably experienced racism at some point. And this has to stop. But unfortunately BLM is being hijacked by the left, and used as a means to push left wing agenda's.

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If you think the BBC is left-biased then you're ****ing deluded.

Imagine thinking being anti-facist is a problem.

You can claim Kinnock is worse than cummings if you want, or say that what cummings did was OK, the fact is, Kinnock wasn't involved in writing the rules, Kinnock wasn't riddled with the virus, Kinnock didn't put his family in his car to 'test his eyes'. Cummings is the hypocrit here, not me.

Absolutely delighted to hear of Farages sacking yesterday, bet that's got you all a bit worked up :D At least you've still got Turbogammon Ferrari on there, **** knows why they're still willing to put up with that.

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The bias at at the BBC is out of control.

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These protestsers wanting statues removed are ****ing idiots.

Especially the Winston Churchill one, these people need to remember that people like churchill and all the others sacrificed themselves to give us our freedom that we have today and that needs to be honored and respected.

They boarded up his statue and the cenotaph , ****ing shocking it came to that. These people should be ashamed.

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Originally posted by arpz:
If you think the BBC is left-biased then you're ****ing deluded.

Imagine thinking being anti-facist is a problem.

You can claim Kinnock is worse than cummings if you want, or say that what cummings did was OK, the fact is, Kinnock wasn't involved in writing the rules, Kinnock wasn't riddled with the virus, Kinnock didn't put his family in his car to 'test his eyes'. Cummings is the hypocrit here, not me.

Absolutely delighted to hear of Farages sacking yesterday, bet that's got you all a bit worked up :D At least you've still got Turbogammon Ferrari on there, **** knows why they're still willing to put up with that.

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These protestsers wanting statues removed are ****ing idiots.

Especially the Winston Churchill one, these people need to remember that people like churchill and all the others sacrificed themselves to give us our freedom that we have today and that needs to be honored and respected.

They boarded up his statue and the cenotaph , ****ing shocking it came to that. These people should be ashamed.

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Exactly. Like it or not, the whole country was built on slave trade. We cant rewrite history. Where do we stop with this shite? Do we just nuke Africa seeing as the entire human race can be traced back to Africa? Shameful stuff.

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Originally posted by arpz:
If you think the BBC is left-biased then you're ****ing deluded.

Imagine thinking being anti-facist is a problem.

You can claim Kinnock is worse than cummings if you want, or say that what cummings did was OK, the fact is, Kinnock wasn't involved in writing the rules, Kinnock wasn't riddled with the virus, Kinnock didn't put his family in his car to 'test his eyes'. Cummings is the hypocrit here, not me.

Absolutely delighted to hear of Farages sacking yesterday, bet that's got you all a bit worked up :D At least you've still got Turbogammon Ferrari on there, **** knows why they're still willing to put up with that.

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This is an example of the left wing delusion that we see now on a daily basis. Total denial anything their lot do is wrong, but blaming everyone else. What a snowflake. Kinnock is as bad as Cummings, they both broke the rules, but the hysteria was over Cummings and Kinnock was never mentioned, and that was the BBC. Did they BBC condemn him ? No, they started a witch hunt against Boris for not sacking him. The BBC are so far left now they are beyond help, and the fact you think thats a delusion is beyond me, the snowflakes ive seen denying the riots in London were bad, in fact blaming a poorly trained officer for lefty asshats throwing bikes at them.

And as for Farage, LBC have become the more and more left wing, and i've never paid any attention to LBC anyway, or Farage on there. The Brexit Party stopped having meaning after we finally got out of the EU. So no, I wasn't bothered at all, but we still left didn't we. What a result for common sense. I bet that still stings like a bitch to you retarded lefties.

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Originally posted by Anon.:
These protestsers wanting statues removed are ****ing idiots.

Especially the Winston Churchill one, these people need to remember that people like churchill and all the others sacrificed themselves to give us our freedom that we have today and that needs to be honored and respected.

They boarded up his statue and the cenotaph , ****ing shocking it came to that. These people should be ashamed.

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Exactly. Like it or not, the whole country was built on slave trade. We cant rewrite history. Where do we stop with this shite? Do we just nuke Africa seeing as the entire human race can be traced back to Africa? Shameful stuff.

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No one is trying to rewrite history. People wanted a plaque to say that Colston wasn't just straight up wonderful, that's all, couldn't get it, no one wanted to do that. So instead, black people were forced to walk past a celebration of a slave trader. I don't know how you can justify it

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If you think the BBC is left-biased then you're ****ing deluded.

Imagine thinking being anti-facist is a problem.

You can claim Kinnock is worse than cummings if you want, or say that what cummings did was OK, the fact is, Kinnock wasn't involved in writing the rules, Kinnock wasn't riddled with the virus, Kinnock didn't put his family in his car to 'test his eyes'. Cummings is the hypocrit here, not me.

Absolutely delighted to hear of Farages sacking yesterday, bet that's got you all a bit worked up :D At least you've still got Turbogammon Ferrari on there, **** knows why they're still willing to put up with that.

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This is an example of the left wing delusion that we see now on a daily basis. Total denial anything their lot do is wrong, but blaming everyone else. What a snowflake. Kinnock is as bad as Cummings, they both broke the rules, but the hysteria was over Cummings and Kinnock was never mentioned, and that was the BBC. Did they BBC condemn him ? No, they started a witch hunt against Boris for not sacking him. The BBC are so far left now they are beyond help, and the fact you think thats a delusion is beyond me, the snowflakes ive seen denying the riots in London were bad, in fact blaming a poorly trained officer for lefty asshats throwing bikes at them.

And as for Farage, LBC have become the more and more left wing, and i've never paid any attention to LBC anyway, or Farage on there. The Brexit Party stopped having meaning after we finally got out of the EU. So no, I wasn't bothered at all, but we still left didn't we. What a result for common sense. I bet that still stings like a bitch to you retarded lefties.

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I didn't deny it. Cummings is a hypocrit, Kinnock is not. If you are in charge of making the rules, and then don't abide by them, you're worse than someone who just broke the rules.

How can you refute that?

Oh yes, we've well and truly left the EU haven't we, and Boris' oven-ready deal is SO READY TO GO!... Oh wait, no it isn't. It's 'unfair' according to the man himself. The laughable thing is, the swathes of idiots that voted for brexit are likely to be the ones hurt by it the most. I don't suppose it'll affect me very much, but it'll affect the poorer. What a retard I am to be thinking of them.

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If you think the BBC is left-biased then you're ****ing deluded.

Imagine thinking being anti-facist is a problem.

You can claim Kinnock is worse than cummings if you want, or say that what cummings did was OK, the fact is, Kinnock wasn't involved in writing the rules, Kinnock wasn't riddled with the virus, Kinnock didn't put his family in his car to 'test his eyes'. Cummings is the hypocrit here, not me.

Absolutely delighted to hear of Farages sacking yesterday, bet that's got you all a bit worked up :D At least you've still got Turbogammon Ferrari on there, **** knows why they're still willing to put up with that.

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This is an example of the left wing delusion that we see now on a daily basis. Total denial anything their lot do is wrong, but blaming everyone else. What a snowflake. Kinnock is as bad as Cummings, they both broke the rules, but the hysteria was over Cummings and Kinnock was never mentioned, and that was the BBC. Did they BBC condemn him ? No, they started a witch hunt against Boris for not sacking him. The BBC are so far left now they are beyond help, and the fact you think thats a delusion is beyond me, the snowflakes ive seen denying the riots in London were bad, in fact blaming a poorly trained officer for lefty asshats throwing bikes at them.

And as for Farage, LBC have become the more and more left wing, and i've never paid any attention to LBC anyway, or Farage on there. The Brexit Party stopped having meaning after we finally got out of the EU. So no, I wasn't bothered at all, but we still left didn't we. What a result for common sense. I bet that still stings like a bitch to you retarded lefties.

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I didn't deny it. Cummings is a hypocrit, Kinnock is not. If you are in charge of making the rules, and then don't abide by them, you're worse than someone who just broke the rules.

How can you refute that?

Oh yes, we've well and truly left the EU haven't we, and Boris' oven-ready deal is SO READY TO GO!... Oh wait, no it isn't. It's 'unfair' according to the man himself. The laughable thing is, the swathes of idiots that voted for brexit are likely to be the ones hurt by it the most. I don't suppose it'll affect me very much, but it'll affect the poorer. What a retard I am to be thinking of them.

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Thats delusion, because you are finding order in people breaking rules. Cummings broke the rules, as did Kinnock, as did Tahir Ali, MP from Labour who went to a funeral. In fact a lot broke the rules, so why were there no massive cries all over the media to sack Kinnock ??????? Simple question, why was there no massive media attention to them? Media bias. Simple answer.

I don't refute any of it, Cummings was an idiot, as was Kinnock and Ali, and they either all keep their jobs or they all lose them.

Are are a retard, because your hypocrasy is laughable, people are idiots for voting for brexit yet you are concerned about them. The fk you are, you are just praying for things to get bad for them, that's the truth of left wing attitudes. You WANT people so suffer because of their beliefs just to prove your point. And if they did, you'd actually not care 2 sh!ts, and be like "Well you reap what you sow" So don't try to pretend you care anything about them, you don't.

Whole reason there was a witch hunt on Cummings was because he was behind the sucessful Brexit campaign, and they haven't forgotten.

Oh and by the way, the fact you mention Laura Kuenssberg , to me, shows where you're at. She is the most biased , and quite frankly terrible corespondent on the BBC. If you think she's good, you need looking at

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Originally posted by Anon.:
These protestsers wanting statues removed are ****ing idiots.

Especially the Winston Churchill one, these people need to remember that people like churchill and all the others sacrificed themselves to give us our freedom that we have today and that needs to be honored and respected.

They boarded up his statue and the cenotaph , ****ing shocking it came to that. These people should be ashamed.

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Exactly. Like it or not, the whole country was built on slave trade. We cant rewrite history. Where do we stop with this shite? Do we just nuke Africa seeing as the entire human race can be traced back to Africa? Shameful stuff.

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No one is trying to rewrite history. People wanted a plaque to say that Colston wasn't just straight up wonderful, that's all, couldn't get it, no one wanted to do that. So instead, black people were forced to walk past a celebration of a slave trader. I don't know how you can justify it

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Thats ********. They wanted a plaque and didnt get one so decided to tear it down? These arseholes would have taken it down regardless of whether it had a plaque or not. If the plaque was such an issue why wait until protests/riots following the murder of someone in another country, before they tear it down? They are opportunists and its disgraceful.

As I said, the whole country was built on slave trade. People cant just tear statues down because hundreds of years later things have changed. It is vandalism pure and simple - where does it end? If anything it should be a positive reminder that the human race has evolved from the days of slavery.

The same applies for taking down tv shows like Little Britain and the many others that were taken down. That is a dangerous game imo. Not that I was a fan of them or anything but we cant just delete historical programmes because it doesnt fit with modern thinking. Again, where does it stop?

Unfortunately, it is engrained in human nature to have biases such as racism. Black people also have biases. Until we evolve again it will never go away. Its like protesting against ourselves. At least in the U.K. we are miles ahead of other counties. London is one of the most multi-cultural cities on the planet.

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Originally posted by Anon.:
These protestsers wanting statues removed are ****ing idiots.

Especially the Winston Churchill one, these people need to remember that people like churchill and all the others sacrificed themselves to give us our freedom that we have today and that needs to be honored and respected.

They boarded up his statue and the cenotaph , ****ing shocking it came to that. These people should be ashamed.

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Exactly. Like it or not, the whole country was built on slave trade. We cant rewrite history. Where do we stop with this shite? Do we just nuke Africa seeing as the entire human race can be traced back to Africa? Shameful stuff.

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No one is trying to rewrite history. People wanted a plaque to say that Colston wasn't just straight up wonderful, that's all, couldn't get it, no one wanted to do that. So instead, black people were forced to walk past a celebration of a slave trader. I don't know how you can justify it

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Thats ********. They wanted a plaque and didnt get one so decided to tear it down? These arseholes would have taken it down regardless of whether it had a plaque or not. If the plaque was such an issue why wait until protests/riots following the murder of someone in another country, before they tear it down? They are opportunists and its disgraceful.

As I said, the whole country was built on slave trade. People cant just tear statues down because hundreds of years later things have changed. It is vandalism pure and simple - where does it end? If anything it should be a positive reminder that the human race has evolved from the days of slavery.

The same applies for taking down tv shows like Little Britain and the many others that were taken down. That is a dangerous game imo. Not that I was a fan of them or anything but we cant just delete historical programmes because it doesnt fit with modern thinking. Again, where does it stop?

Unfortunately, it is engrained in human nature to have biases such as racism. Black people also have biases. Until we evolve again it will never go away. Its like protesting against ourselves. At least in the U.K. we are miles ahead of other counties. London is one of the most multi-cultural cities on the planet.

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You don't know what they would've done. Why couldn't they add a plaque? Like I said, add context. like they intend to with the TV shows etc.

All of that shit is definitely a distraction though, I'll agree on that point. The statues, the TV stuff, I think are all valid arguments to be having but throwing it in with the BLM movement just dilutes the message.

Children aren't racist. So I think that's total bollocks. And we're not that far ahead. Black people are forty times more likely to be stop and searched, five times more likely to have force used against them, twice as likely to be detained under the mental health act, to name just a few stats that I can remember without Googling. It's a ****ing good job our police don't have guns.

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No, I'm not 'finding order', I'm stating that being a hypocrit and a rule breaker is worse than just being a rule breaker. It's two things, instead of one. Two. Get it? Two things.... I could understand the trouble if we were talking about double digits or more but this is literally the difference between one and two, keep up.

If you're going to call someone a retard, try to make sure that you spell all the words correctly in the very sentence making the claim. Having said that, hypocrisy is a bit of a theme here.

Yeah, a vast majority are idiots, they're voting for a dream that they can't define. Nothing tangible. Sucked in by the promise that they'd be sticking it to the elite and ?350 million a week to the NHS. I'm not praying for things to get worse but I can see why you'd think that might be the case - you're framing it up in the way that you personally see things, and how you'd respond. That's exactly what I'd expect from a single issue voter. It is possible to feel compassion for other people, not everything has to be a football match.

The vast majority of the media were in support of brexit. Larua Kuenssberg is not good, no, she shows insane bias towards the tories. Going as far as to break electoral law on election day by talking about how things weren't 'looking good' for labour based on postal votes. It's quite amusing really, both sides seem to always say that the BBC is biased for the other team.

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No, I'm not 'finding order', I'm stating that being a hypocrit and a rule breaker is worse than just being a rule breaker. It's two things, instead of one. Two. Get it? Two things.... I could understand the trouble if we were talking about double digits or more but this is literally the difference between one and two, keep up.

If you're going to call someone a retard, try to make sure that you spell all the words correctly in the very sentence making the claim. Having said that, hypocrisy is a bit of a theme here.

Yeah, a vast majority are idiots, they're voting for a dream that they can't define. Nothing tangible. Sucked in by the promise that they'd be sticking it to the elite and ?350 million a week to the NHS. I'm not praying for things to get worse but I can see why you'd think that might be the case - you're framing it up in the way that you personally see things, and how you'd respond. That's exactly what I'd expect from a single issue voter. It is possible to feel compassion for other people, not everything has to be a football match.

The vast majority of the media were in support of brexit. Larua Kuenssberg is not good, no, she shows insane bias towards the tories. Going as far as to break electoral law on election day by talking about how things weren't 'looking good' for labour based on postal votes. It's quite amusing really, both sides seem to always say that the BBC is biased for the other team.

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You really aren't that bright are you.

a) So basically because Cummings orchestrated Brexit, the left are still enraged. I'm afraid you are going to have to suck that up and move on you little retard, because you lost, and trying anything to get the man sacked, is petty, and pathetic. Typical of any modern lefty.

b) If you are going to use the word hypocrite, at least spell it correctly, I mean really !!!

c) Unfortunately brexit voters can envisage the dream after we leave, and it's already starting to take shape. Changes have been made already that are positive. Covid has stalled all that, but we will pick up. Thankfully Boris has stuck to his word and not granted an extension.

d) The vast majority of media WERE NOT in favour of Brexit, neither were the HoC, or many CEO's of companies, including the bank of England. So how you can claim the opposite is really quite worrying, simply because you believe what you say. As i've said before, delusion is a common trait in the modern brainwashed idiot lefty. A simple google search on Laura Kuenssberg shows her bias against the right, even more so now. The media is in question for bias to the left then and now, with the BBC at the top of the pile for that, but also fake news. BBC reporting on election day, stating that things weren't looking good for Labour isn't bias, its fact. Labour, under Corbyn, lost a landslide, and under Starmer, will do again, the fact they employ racists like Lammy and Butler to prominent positions makes me laugh, it makes sure Labour are completely un-electable for the next decade. Now the government needs to get in the schools and universities and remove the teachers / lecturers preaching and brainwashing the students to "the ways of the left" because that's where it all happens which is why here in Wales , they dropped the voting age to 16 in a vein attempt to buy votes from the youth, who quite frankly are clueless at 16 to politics.

So your claim to have compassion for people yet you condemn a man for caring about his child. You are claiming Cummings was on a jolly up, and that his kid had no baring on that. Makes me wonder who the real hypocrite is here.

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I am not here to talk politics.

I hate politics now and want nothing to do with them.

Please don?t use the word retard.

As a disabled person I have had that term used against me all my life. It isn?t a nice word to use. As for someone who claims to be compassionate for others maybe you need to think a little more about what you say before criticising others.

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Arpz you are the perfect stereotype of the typical lefty idiot that is causing a lot of problems in the UK right now. And if you don't think Lammy and Butler are racists, shows the denial most left wing voters are in. I guess you'd say Jeremy Corbyn wasn't an antisemetic.

Your detraction from the "bleeding obvious" is how lefties think and act.

So glad your labour party are completely un-electable.

Completely Brainwashed... Its sad to see.

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Well, you voted for the ones who are least likely to help people in your situation.

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I am not here to talk politics.

I hate politics now and want nothing to do with them.

Please don?t use the word retard.

As a disabled person I have had that term used against me all my life. It isn?t a nice word to use. As for someone who claims to be compassionate for others maybe you need to think a little more about what you say before criticising others.

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I'm using his words.

edit: I'm assuming you're talking to me because I'm the one claiming to have compassion?

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I am not here to talk politics.

I hate politics now and want nothing to do with them.

Please don?t use the word retard.

As a disabled person I have had that term used against me all my life. It isn?t a nice word to use. As for someone who claims to be compassionate for others maybe you need to think a little more about what you say before criticising others.

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I'm using his words.

edit: I'm assuming you're talking to me because I'm the one claiming to have compassion?

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It?s to all of who used the word. I should of put a gap to make it clear I was addressing you separately. Sorry.

You are using his words. If someone uses the n word does that mean you would use it?

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I am not here to talk politics.

I hate politics now and want nothing to do with them.

Please don?t use the word retard.

As a disabled person I have had that term used against me all my life. It isn?t a nice word to use. As for someone who claims to be compassionate for others maybe you need to think a little more about what you say before criticising others.

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I'm using his words.

edit: I'm assuming you're talking to me because I'm the one claiming to have compassion?

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It?s to all of who used the word. I should of put a gap to make it clear I was addressing you separately. Sorry.

You are using his words. If someone uses the n word does that mean you would use it?

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No, but in order for me to respond to his claims, I need to explain what I'm referring to. It wouldn't have come into it if he wasn't chucking the word round like candy

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What a retard I am to be thinking of them.

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Originally posted by MusicILove:
I am not here to talk politics.

I hate politics now and want nothing to do with them.

Please don?t use the word retard.

As a disabled person I have had that term used against me all my life. It isn?t a nice word to use. As for someone who claims to be compassionate for others maybe you need to think a little more about what you say before criticising others.

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I'm using his words.

edit: I'm assuming you're talking to me because I'm the one claiming to have compassion?

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It?s to all of who used the word. I should of put a gap to make it clear I was addressing you separately. Sorry.

You are using his words. If someone uses the n word does that mean you would use it?

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No, but in order for me to respond to his claims, I need to explain what I'm referring to. It wouldn't have come into it if he wasn't chucking the word round like candy

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What a retard I am to be thinking of them.

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No need for it. You didn?t need to add that on the end. But if you were in the same situation with the N word you wouldn?t use it still so why should a word that offends disabled be treated differently.

What you said about the people voting for Brexit being the most affected. Yep that?s me. I voted again under the influence of my family. I thought things would be better. But now I know more I realise how bad things are going to be. :(

I am not like my family. I never want to be like them. They have said some truly disgraceful things through all of this.

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Blaming the government for the death toll is not helpful in any way. This is nature taking its course and its the first time the world has collectively tried to fight nature.

Mistakes have been made but to blame the death of 42000 people on the government is just ridiculous. If you want to blame anything look at the root cause of the pandemic and the attempted coverup and delay in reporting it from the Chinese government. But even then, this isnt the first and it wont be the last deadly virus the world has to deal with.

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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Blaming the government for the death toll is not helpful in any way. This is nature taking its course and its the first time the world has collectively tried to fight nature.

Mistakes have been made but to blame the death of 42000 people on the government is just ridiculous. If you want to blame anything look at the root cause of the pandemic and the attempted coverup and delay in reporting it from the Chinese government. But even then, this isnt the first and it wont be the last deadly virus the world has to deal with.

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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Blaming the government for the death toll is not helpful in any way. This is nature taking its course and its the first time the world has collectively tried to fight nature.

Mistakes have been made but to blame the death of 42000 people on the government is just ridiculous. If you want to blame anything look at the root cause of the pandemic and the attempted coverup and delay in reporting it from the Chinese government. But even then, this isnt the first and it wont be the last deadly virus the world has to deal with.

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Sources claim that a lot of UK deaths are given Covid19 on death certificates even if that was not the actual cause. It might be easier for post mortems to save a build up of cases but our national broadcaster seems to overlook this fact though.

BBC = Boris Bashing Corporation

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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Blaming the government for the death toll is not helpful in any way. This is nature taking its course and its the first time the world has collectively tried to fight nature.

Mistakes have been made but to blame the death of 42000 people on the government is just ridiculous. If you want to blame anything look at the root cause of the pandemic and the attempted coverup and delay in reporting it from the Chinese government. But even then, this isnt the first and it wont be the last deadly virus the world has to deal with.

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It's not helpful after the fact, no, the deaths have happened but there are shitloads of experts standing up to say that many of the extra deaths are down to the government. We had time to react, we had time to deal with it but we did nothing. We went against what nearly every other country did in the pursuit of herd immunity because Boris/Cummings thought that their gamble would pay off for the economy. As it happens, the deaths have been completely for nothing, because the economy is also ****ed.

You can see a timeline of government failings here, It's just a list of events, with multiple sources cited, http://appeasement.org/

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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Blaming the government for the death toll is not helpful in any way. This is nature taking its course and its the first time the world has collectively tried to fight nature.

Mistakes have been made but to blame the death of 42000 people on the government is just ridiculous. If you want to blame anything look at the root cause of the pandemic and the attempted coverup and delay in reporting it from the Chinese government. But even then, this isnt the first and it wont be the last deadly virus the world has to deal with.

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It's not helpful after the fact, no, the deaths have happened but there are shitloads of experts standing up to say that many of the extra deaths are down to the government. We had time to react, we had time to deal with it but we did nothing. We went against what nearly every other country did in the pursuit of herd immunity because Boris/Cummings thought that their gamble would pay off for the economy. As it happens, the deaths have been completely for nothing, because the economy is also ****ed.

You can see a timeline of government failings here, It's just a list of events, with multiple sources cited, http://appeasement.org/

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Shitloads of experts = a bunch of people on social media with an agenda, who know **** all about anything, but appeal to people like you who are looking for blame as you have an issue with the government.

Look at the bigger picture and stop trying to pick holes in everything that has happened. I hate the term unprecedented but it really is and mistakes are going to be made. Pretty much all countries have made mistakes. You cant fight nature.

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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Blaming the government for the death toll is not helpful in any way. This is nature taking its course and its the first time the world has collectively tried to fight nature.

Mistakes have been made but to blame the death of 42000 people on the government is just ridiculous. If you want to blame anything look at the root cause of the pandemic and the attempted coverup and delay in reporting it from the Chinese government. But even then, this isnt the first and it wont be the last deadly virus the world has to deal with.

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It's not helpful after the fact, no, the deaths have happened but there are shitloads of experts standing up to say that many of the extra deaths are down to the government. We had time to react, we had time to deal with it but we did nothing. We went against what nearly every other country did in the pursuit of herd immunity because Boris/Cummings thought that their gamble would pay off for the economy. As it happens, the deaths have been completely for nothing, because the economy is also ****ed.

You can see a timeline of government failings here, It's just a list of events, with multiple sources cited, http://appeasement.org/

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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:

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Originally posted by arpz:

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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Blaming the government for the death toll is not helpful in any way. This is nature taking its course and its the first time the world has collectively tried to fight nature.

Mistakes have been made but to blame the death of 42000 people on the government is just ridiculous. If you want to blame anything look at the root cause of the pandemic and the attempted coverup and delay in reporting it from the Chinese government. But even then, this isnt the first and it wont be the last deadly virus the world has to deal with.

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It's not helpful after the fact, no, the deaths have happened but there are shitloads of experts standing up to say that many of the extra deaths are down to the government. We had time to react, we had time to deal with it but we did nothing. We went against what nearly every other country did in the pursuit of herd immunity because Boris/Cummings thought that their gamble would pay off for the economy. As it happens, the deaths have been completely for nothing, because the economy is also ****ed.

You can see a timeline of government failings here, It's just a list of events, with multiple sources cited, http://appeasement.org/

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Shitloads of experts = a bunch of people on social media with an agenda, who know **** all about anything, but appeal to people like you who are looking for blame as you have an issue with the government.

Look at the bigger picture and stop trying to pick holes in everything that has happened. I hate the term unprecedented but it really is and mistakes are going to be made. Pretty much all countries have made mistakes. You cant fight nature.

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No, not people on social media with an agenda, actual experts.

I'm not trying to pick holes, the holes are there to see, the link I provided shows you the holes. Each claim is sourced and actually happened.

Other countries have made mistakes, we've made more. That's why we've performed so badly. No one in their right mind can say that this has been handled well by the government, and there's no one else to blame - there didn't need to be this many deaths.

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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Blaming the government for the death toll is not helpful in any way. This is nature taking its course and its the first time the world has collectively tried to fight nature.

Mistakes have been made but to blame the death of 42000 people on the government is just ridiculous. If you want to blame anything look at the root cause of the pandemic and the attempted coverup and delay in reporting it from the Chinese government. But even then, this isnt the first and it wont be the last deadly virus the world has to deal with.

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It's not helpful after the fact, no, the deaths have happened but there are shitloads of experts standing up to say that many of the extra deaths are down to the government. We had time to react, we had time to deal with it but we did nothing. We went against what nearly every other country did in the pursuit of herd immunity because Boris/Cummings thought that their gamble would pay off for the economy. As it happens, the deaths have been completely for nothing, because the economy is also ****ed.

You can see a timeline of government failings here, It's just a list of events, with multiple sources cited, http://appeasement.org/

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Shitloads of experts = a bunch of people on social media with an agenda, who know **** all about anything, but appeal to people like you who are looking for blame as you have an issue with the government.

Look at the bigger picture and stop trying to pick holes in everything that has happened. I hate the term unprecedented but it really is and mistakes are going to be made. Pretty much all countries have made mistakes. You cant fight nature.

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Originally posted by arpz:

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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:

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Originally posted by arpz:

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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
Blaming the government for the death toll is not helpful in any way. This is nature taking its course and its the first time the world has collectively tried to fight nature.

Mistakes have been made but to blame the death of 42000 people on the government is just ridiculous. If you want to blame anything look at the root cause of the pandemic and the attempted coverup and delay in reporting it from the Chinese government. But even then, this isnt the first and it wont be the last deadly virus the world has to deal with.

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It's not helpful after the fact, no, the deaths have happened but there are shitloads of experts standing up to say that many of the extra deaths are down to the government. We had time to react, we had time to deal with it but we did nothing. We went against what nearly every other country did in the pursuit of herd immunity because Boris/Cummings thought that their gamble would pay off for the economy. As it happens, the deaths have been completely for nothing, because the economy is also ****ed.

You can see a timeline of government failings here, It's just a list of events, with multiple sources cited, http://appeasement.org/

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Shitloads of experts = a bunch of people on social media with an agenda, who know **** all about anything, but appeal to people like you who are looking for blame as you have an issue with the government.

Look at the bigger picture and stop trying to pick holes in everything that has happened. I hate the term unprecedented but it really is and mistakes are going to be made. Pretty much all countries have made mistakes. You cant fight nature.

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No, not people on social media with an agenda, actual experts.

I'm not trying to pick holes, the holes are there to see, the link I provided shows you the holes. Each claim is sourced and actually happened.

Other countries have made mistakes, we've made more. That's why we've performed so badly. No one in their right mind can say that this has been handled well by the government, and there's no one else to blame - there didn't need to be this many deaths.

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Lol actual experts at what? Having an opinion?

You obviously know a lot about how other countries have dealt with the virus so enlighten me - how have we made more mistakes? And I didnt say it had been handled well I just said its not helpful to blame them - what does it achieve?

Theres no one else to blame? Do you not think that the Chinese government have any part to play in this? Forgetting their awful laws which encourage these wet markets, animal cruelty and awful hygiene practices, how helpful was the coverup and delay in reporting of the outbreak. That alone led to more deaths worldwide than any decisions made by individual governements.

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We are coming from different viewpoints. There is no point in going round in circles. I am looking at the bigger picture whereas you just want to pin the blame on the U.K. government for past mistakes, pointing to ?experts? and ?look at what other countries did?.

None of this helps. Lockdown itself is killing people and the focus should be on how we emerge from this as strongly as possible. Holding government to account is not achieving anything, it is better if people and politicians are pulling together in the same direction rather than arguing about what happened in the past.

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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
We are coming from different viewpoints. There is no point in going round in circles. I am looking at the bigger picture whereas you just want to pin the blame on the U.K. government for past mistakes, pointing to ?experts? and ?look at what other countries did?.

None of this helps. Lockdown itself is killing people and the focus should be on how we emerge from this as strongly as possible. Holding government to account is not achieving anything, it is better if people and politicians are pulling together in the same direction rather than arguing about what happened in the past.

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As long as that direction is the one set by Boris & Cummings, right?

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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
We are coming from different viewpoints. There is no point in going round in circles. I am looking at the bigger picture whereas you just want to pin the blame on the U.K. government for past mistakes, pointing to ?experts? and ?look at what other countries did?.

None of this helps. Lockdown itself is killing people and the focus should be on how we emerge from this as strongly as possible. Holding government to account is not achieving anything, it is better if people and politicians are pulling together in the same direction rather than arguing about what happened in the past.

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As long as that direction is the one set by Boris & Cummings, right?

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Yeah because thats who is in charge. You and all of the other compassionate people in the UK couldnt vote in another government so were stuck with Boris and co for the next 4 and a half years at least.

This is all getting a bit boring anyway. Ive said my bit and you have said yours. Doubt you would be saying it if, in a parallel universe, labour had been voted in last December though, whereas my viewpoint would be the same regardless.

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Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
We are coming from different viewpoints. There is no point in going round in circles. I am looking at the bigger picture whereas you just want to pin the blame on the U.K. government for past mistakes, pointing to ?experts? and ?look at what other countries did?.

None of this helps. Lockdown itself is killing people and the focus should be on how we emerge from this as strongly as possible. Holding government to account is not achieving anything, it is better if people and politicians are pulling together in the same direction rather than arguing about what happened in the past.

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As long as that direction is the one set by Boris & Cummings, right?

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Yeah because thats who is in charge. You and all of the other compassionate people in the UK couldnt vote in another government so were stuck with Boris and co for the next 4 and a half years at least.

This is all getting a bit boring anyway. Ive said my bit and you have said yours. Doubt you would be saying it if, in a parallel universe, labour had been voted in last December though, whereas my viewpoint would be the same regardless.

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So you think we vote for a dictatorship then? Oh right.

If labour had been voted in, I might be saying it, I might not be, it would really depend on whether or not they were causing shitloads of deaths wouldn't it? We'll never know, it's hard to imagine anyone making a worse job of it than we've got now, though

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Arpz you truly are just like the sheeple that vote labour, you all sound the same, same arguments, same rhetoric. Refute your brexit claims, you've made none. Where is the damaging impact of Brexit ? There is none. We are negotiating the trade deals, and we are getting annoucements from Number 10 , most recent I saw was a free trade deal with Australia. Which we couldnt have done in the EU.

America next, trade deal will happen with the EU, because business IN the EU will never be told to ignore the UK. We are too valuable.

Oh no !!! NOT AMERICA !!! All the left wing rubbish about dealing with america, lower standards LMFAO never heard such rubbish.

Ive had this discussion so many times, there is no winning with a brainwashed lefty. They are just pathetic individuals who are on the brink of communism and think its a good idea !!!!!!!!!

@MusicILove I apologise if you were offended by the use of the R word, I do use it too flippantly and I won't again.

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Arpz you truly are just like the sheeple that vote labour, you all sound the same, same arguments, same rhetoric. Refute your brexit claims, you've made none. Where is the damaging impact of Brexit ? There is none. We are negotiating the trade deals, and we are getting annoucements from Number 10 , most recent I saw was a free trade deal with Australia. Which we couldnt have done in the EU.

America next, trade deal will happen with the EU, because business IN the EU will never be told to ignore the UK. We are too valuable.

Oh no !!! NOT AMERICA !!! All the left wing rubbish about dealing with america, lower standards LMFAO never heard such rubbish.

Ive had this discussion so many times, there is no winning with a brainwashed lefty. They are just pathetic individuals who are on the brink of communism and think its a good idea !!!!!!!!!

@MusicILove I apologise if you were offended by the use of the R word, I do use it too flippantly and I won't again.

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The arguments are going to be the same because the problems are the same. The best thing Boris could come up with about the Austrlian trade deal is us swapping Penguins and ****ing Tim Tams.

It's not rubbish, American food standards are trash compared to ours, is it really good that we should take chlorinated chicken? No, it's not the chlorine that's the problem, it's the fact that the standards are so low that it's even required. "Don't buy it then" I hear you cry. But no, the US wants to ban the labelling to let people make informed choices about it. We were lied to about that, by the way, they said 'No way is that gonna happen'. Total bollocks.

There's no winning with me, no, you haven't raised any valid points, you've just used a bunch of ad-hom attacks.

I'm not going to bother with any more of it though. You've had chances to actually give some tangible benefits of brexit (if they actually exist) but haven't done it so far. I'll leave you to it.

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LOL says the brainwashed lefty idiotically quoting the left wing media without any proof.

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You keep calling him lefty, while you keep providing to his point that you don't post any proof yourself.

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LOL says the brainwashed lefty idiotically quoting the left wing media without any proof.

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Here in the US we grapple with this same disease of people blaming the government every time something happens and saying "everything would be ok if only the government had done more." We shut down travel from China while the WHO was saying it wasn't necessary, and we were called racist for it! There may be particular failings, such as not having sufficient stocks of medical supplies, but I don't buy the argument that government is so special that it could have stopped this from spreading. There's also more to it than shutting everything down and stealing people's income away every time a new disease appears.

I expect better arguments than hindsight and "look how many deaths there are now" for people to start assigning blame. China and WHO deserve the blame, especially with the WHO praising China months back even while they knew China was providing inaccurate information. What the hell were we giving them $400 million a year for?

As long as we're talking about experts, let's consider the open letter written in the US about the BLM protests. These medical experts said it was ok for people to go protest, even if it spreads the coronavirus, becuase this cause is just that important. But only if it's for BLM! You aren't allowed to go out for anything else or you're a selfish, racist while nationalist!

I personally don't think the virus cares about social agendas, political biases, lockdowns, or any of that stuff. It just wants to spread.

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Samination is correct. If you can't take the Loughborough University as a valid source for information I can't reason with you.

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Laugh away, I provided a fully sourced list of failings (that you probably didn't bother to look at)

It's not even with the benefit of hindsight, we knew about all of this stuff, regardless of WHO/China delays.

I'll drop the link again, just in case https://appeasement.org/

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I'm the blind one, yet you're the one refusing to look at the information.

OK.

I'm out, again.

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Samination is correct. If you can't take the Loughborough University as a valid source for information I can't reason with you.

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Samination is correct. If you can't take the Loughborough University as a valid source for information I can't reason with you.

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Yeah because a left wing institution cannot fabricate anything.

Do me a favour. You ever been to loughborough ? I was there last year at an open day, and saw the typical state of universities in general. Brainwashed lefties everywhere. This is something that needs addressing. Teachers in 2ndary school and 6th form then uni lecturers need to be less biased and stop pushing their own beliefs on the students. I've heard a lot from my step son about his teachers constantly Boris bashing, and pushing the left wing agenda. It's fking disgusting. THe left have no morals, no sense of decency and use youngsters to push their message.

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So you're old enough to have sucked on Thatcher's teats then?

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Samination is correct. If you can't take the Loughborough University as a valid source for information I can't reason with you.

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Yeah because a left wing institution cannot fabricate anything.

Do me a favour. You ever been to loughborough ? I was there last year at an open day, and saw the typical state of universities in general. Brainwashed lefties everywhere. This is something that needs addressing. Teachers in 2ndary school and 6th form then uni lecturers need to be less biased and stop pushing their own beliefs on the students. I've heard a lot from my step son about his teachers constantly Boris bashing, and pushing the left wing agenda. It's fking disgusting. THe left have no morals, no sense of decency and use youngsters to push their message.

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The two Universities in Bournemouth gained a slight left wing slant in 2017. I should know as I worked with students who registered to vote for Labour for one reason and one reason only. Corbyn had promised to wipe their debts and activists had been relaying information to them.

I know this because they actually told me. Being a decade older than them I was seen as a 'boomer' because I was 'out of touch' but they would have not even started secondary school; when Blair was in power. I find not many people born in the 80s to perhaps early 90s are large scale Labour supporters. It seems to be the late 90s onwards where Labour tried to push their way in.

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