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rafferty
The more I see what the Netherlands is doing with their Hardcore/Hardstyle scene, the more I realise it is the direction the UK Hardcore scene should keep taking and aspiring towards like it did at it's peak in the mid 90's.
Their whole scene is well marketed and very slick.
While the whole candy thing was very detrimental to the image of UK Hardcore in the end.. It should be left as far away as possible now. It made our scene an embarrassment in the 2000s & early 2010s.
Image and marketing is everything in music these days. With candy and anime never being taken seriously and completly mocked by most.
One reason Candy never existed in the Netherlands Hard music scenes.
Some Hardstyle Producers even seem to be making more and more tracks at faster 170 + tempos all the time. With great examples of what UK Hardcore productions can become.
REBELION - NEVER
The Dutch are even putting on Quarentin festivals with epic professionalism.
One of the best sets I have ever heard from Headhunterz. If he did UK Hardcore. He would rule the scene with his productions. Reminds me a lot of Hardcore.
Update.. Thought I'd add this track too.
Brilliant. Proppa fast Hardcore
Impulse_Response
I'm all for ditching candy, but I'll never accept those disgusting distorted kicks.
LeVzi
The Hardcore scene in Europe is banging tbh and a wicked vibe to it, so it seems.
I am not a fan of hardstyle tbh. But its massively popular. If the scene here went down that road, Da Tweekaz kinda thing, its good and bad.
LeVzi
quote:Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
I'm all for ditching candy, but I'll never accept those disgusting distorted kicks.
Hard to dance to them in your fluffy boots is it ?
Impulse_Response
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
quote:Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
I'm all for ditching candy, but I'll never accept those disgusting distorted kicks.
Hard to dance to them in your fluffy boots is it ?
This is only my personal definition and highly simplified, but for me the kick the is the biggest factor that differentiates UK hardcore from gabber. Add in a gabber kick for the whole song and it's no longer UK hardcore.
Samination
quote:Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
quote:Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
I'm all for ditching candy, but I'll never accept those disgusting distorted kicks.
Hard to dance to them in your fluffy boots is it ?
This is only my personal definition and highly simplified, but for me the kick the is the biggest factor that differentiates UK hardcore from gabber. Add in a gabber kick for the whole song and it's no longer UK hardcore.
No, that would make it to a mid to late 90's Happy Hardcore
LeVzi
quote:Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
quote:Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
I'm all for ditching candy, but I'll never accept those disgusting distorted kicks.
Hard to dance to them in your fluffy boots is it ?
This is only my personal definition and highly simplified, but for me the kick the is the biggest factor that differentiates UK hardcore from gabber. Add in a gabber kick for the whole song and it's no longer UK hardcore.
tbh no, I'd say Frenchcore is closer to UK Hardcore, kick off beat bass. Just the pace of it.
Maybe why the likes of Sefa are so popular because he's bringing in the HHC likers among the hardcore heads. Bit like Elstak did back in the day.
Coolgamer
Oy, don't you disrespect me and the candy crew like this.
Impulse_Response
quote:Originally posted by Coolgamer:
Oy, don't you disrespect me and the candy crew like this.
I was still with my ex when S3RL played a set in Houston. She said a bunch of hot rave girls in the bathroom were complaining about all the "normal" looking people like me (shorts and T-shirt).
Samination
Haha
"how the turntables"
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
and anime never being taken seriously and completly mocked by most.
anime is more popular than ever. It's taken very seriously, by multiple cultures, and is really only mocked by neck beards that never watched dragon ball z.
Embarrassing. Dragon ball z is a male youth right of passage.
Samination
quote:Originally posted by trippnface:
Embarrassing. Dragon ball z is a male youth right of passage.
No, you're pathetic. everyone knows Bible Black and La Blue Girl are the rite of passage.
Impulse_Response
I agree, anime is more popular than ever. It's an essential medium for people who like animated works because most of the western stuff (that I'm aware of) is either kids' shows or garbage (think Family Guy). Though certain groups like Funimation trash it with censorship and changes to the script.
My experience is the people who mock anime are the people who have never seen any.
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
quote:Originally posted by trippnface:
Embarrassing. Dragon ball z is a male youth right of passage.
No, you're pathetic. everyone knows Bible Black and La Blue Girl are the rite of passage.
HERETIC!
jenks
The only anime I've been able to enjoy as an adult is Attack on Titan.
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by jenks:
The only anime I've been able to enjoy as an adult is Attack on Titan.
Attack on Titan is so good. Can't wait for the end of it .
Check out Tower Of God. and One Punch Man. and Demon Slayer. and Akame Ga Kill. and Black Clover.
I can't get enough, I nerd out hard.
shit, When i saw Spor In LA, he was using scenes from Akira for screen projections, people went wild.
same with a big dnb act at one of the big insomniac festivals in CA. It was either drumsound & bassline smith, or maybe DC breaks B2B Loadstar, but they were playing neon genesis evangelion on the screen. hype.
Samination
I dont know if it's softie, but I dont like Akami ga Kill. They just go around kill main characters :P
Also, how can anyone watch Black Clover? the main characters voice is ear-bleedingly bad. I tried 6 episodes and gave up
Impulse_Response
lol NGE
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
I dont know if it's softie, but I dont like Akami ga Kill. They just go around kill main characters :P
Also, how can anyone watch Black Clover? the main characters voice is ear-bleedingly bad. I tried 6 episodes and gave up
that's why akame was so good, too many shows have overpowered MC's that never take a beating, sometimes , the main chump just needs to get their head ripped clean off.
and ya haha, it's a popular complaint with black clover.
i watch dub, but if you consider sub, mostly ever Japanese voice actor ever is cringy, overly loud, and bad.
I never found a problem with Asta, you should try to give it another go. black clover is top of the game right now.
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
lol NGE
quote:Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
I'm all for ditching candy, but I'll never accept those disgusting distorted kicks.
Haha hardcore has always had distorted kicks being a huge part of the scene.
rafferty
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
quote:Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
quote:Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
I'm all for ditching candy, but I'll never accept those disgusting distorted kicks.
Hard to dance to them in your fluffy boots is it ?
This is only my personal definition and highly simplified, but for me the kick the is the biggest factor that differentiates UK hardcore from gabber. Add in a gabber kick for the whole song and it's no longer UK hardcore.
No, that would make it to a mid to late 90's Happy Hardcore
Darwin and Entity are producing a lot of Uptempo lately on Brutal Kuts. Their productions are very Dutch influenced but with more of an uplifting vibe.
Actually I think it is only a matter of time till they get noticed in the Netherlands with their productions if they keep making uptempo.
LeVzi
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
quote:Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
quote:Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
I'm all for ditching candy, but I'll never accept those disgusting distorted kicks.
Hard to dance to them in your fluffy boots is it ?
This is only my personal definition and highly simplified, but for me the kick the is the biggest factor that differentiates UK hardcore from gabber. Add in a gabber kick for the whole song and it's no longer UK hardcore.
No, that would make it to a mid to late 90's Happy Hardcore
Darwin and Entity are producing a lot of Uptempo lately on Brutal Kuts. Their productions are very Dutch influenced but with more of an uplifting vibe.
Actually I think it is only a matter of time till they get noticed in the Netherlands with their productions if they keep making uptempo.
I can't find anything of theirs (I didn't check much though) of uptempo. But I did find an Entity track that was a "Frenchcore mix" which was not remotely like frenchcore, so I don't hold out much hope for their uptempo.
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
Man I like this clip. Is what the real rave style should be about.
No Candy Shite anywhere. Just people wearing all street wear going crazy to fast beats.
Fark Candy at raves!!! Respect to people keeping it real instead of looking like baby in preschool with a dummy and colourful beads.
Liking the sound of the Vertex track, was better than what I was expecting to hear.
Sulphurik
Bulletproof & Paul Elstak & Boogshe - We Live Forever, a Paul Elstak mix of this would be good. Not so keen when the track progresses into the uptempo style.
Audio X
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Also, how can anyone watch Black Clover? the main characters voice is ear-bleedingly bad. I tried 6 episodes and gave up
Watch the dub. It's way less screechy than the original Japanese.
trippnface
quote:Originally posted by Audio X:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Also, how can anyone watch Black Clover? the main characters voice is ear-bleedingly bad. I tried 6 episodes and gave up
Watch the dub. It's way less screechy than the original Japanese.
my boy <3
dude, while you here, fukn love your remix of stargazer & disturbance from hyper on.
if you ever wanna make a track with some black clover dub in it. i'll be waiting ;)
Sulphurik
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
The more I see what the Netherlands is doing with their Hardcore/Hardstyle scene, the more I realise it is the direction the UK Hardcore scene should keep taking and aspiring towards like it did at it's peak in the mid 90's.
Their whole scene is well marketed and very slick.
While the whole candy thing was very detrimental to the image of UK Hardcore in the end.. It should be left as far away as possible now. It made our scene an embarrassment in the 2000s & early 2010s.
Image and marketing is everything in music these days. With candy and anime never being taken seriously and completly mocked by most.
One reason Candy never existed in the Netherlands Hard music scenes.
Some Hardstyle Producers even seem to be making more and more tracks at faster 170 + tempos all the time. With great examples of what UK Hardcore productions can become.
There were some good examples of marketing in UK Hardcore in 2000s, which worked well for sales of some of the Bonkers albums in 2000s eg. album artwork Bonkers X, Bonkers XI, Bonkers 14 and 15?
Perhaps there could have been less of the candy artwork used such as on the Clubland Xtreme hardcore cover artwork but that was no different to other Clubland albums.
Album artwork for Dutch Hardcore does match with the style of the music, similar style of artwork for UK Hardcore wouldn't work in my opinion.
jenks
I didn't realise candy was ever much of a thing in the UK.
Then again I haven't been to a rave in years.
Samination
On all the raves i've been (about 18 over the past 9 years), only a handful of ravers have been people who dressed in candy, and they just basically stay in the front and dance. rafferty always acts like these few people have steered the show...
LeVzi
The thing about the 90's scene that made it so good, was that is was a complete mess.
No one gave a shit about who was wearing what, and by the end of the night, everyone was a sweaty stinking mess anyway.
It was all about the vibe, the music, and the fact no one was sober, everyone was mashed.
hevan
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
On all the raves i've been (about 18 over the past 9 years), only a handful of ravers have been people who dressed in candy, and they just basically stay in the front and dance. rafferty always acts like these few people have steered the show...
A lot of people are really into it in North America, but people here can just be pretty extra about the way that they dress at music events as is. The most people I've seen dressed in candy is at trance shows, but its reputation seems to be doing just fine. Either way I'm not super concerned about whether people make judgement calls on an entire genre based on how people dress LOL.
Icewind
Rafferty back again with the old candy sucks, street wear is better, hardstyle is better thread. At this point, candy has been part of the scene (north american mostly) for quite some time. It isn't going away any time soon.
A real rave is where nobody gives a **** about what you wear, it's all about the music at the end of the day anyways.
warped_candykid
well well well!
we candy kids are here to stay, and Happy Hardcore will always be the music we flock to. I don't know why you're so worried about what people are wearing...are you not dancing and supporting the DJ by being in the front and off your phone?
Also, we candy kids played a big role in spreading Happy Hardcore throughout the States. You have to remember, we only had ONE actual mixed series released over here (Happy2bHardcore), and the DJ behind the mixing threw the Hullabaloo events, which was pretty much candy kid mecca, so the candy kids dominated the genre, and other hard dance genres.
Is today's rave scene anything like that past era, absolutely not. Are today's candy kids anything like the originals? Absolutely not. In fact, I find it a shame how far from the "2000s candy kids" these ravers are today. It wasn't about dressing in as little clothes as possible and walking around looking, for lack of a better word, a slutty Hello Kitty and sitting against the wall talking all night. Candy kids actually dressed like overgrown kids, which was what made the fashion fun. Oversized pants, oversized overalls with cartoon prints, crazy hair colors and styles, stuffed animal backpacks, stickers, glitter, friendship cards to hand out throughout the night, gum, and of course, tons of candy on your arms and around your neck. We were front and center and ready to dance. And it was NEVER about "I'll trade you this cuff for 10 singles.", no one made cuffs, and if you did, you didn't put value on it when trading with other candy kids throughout the night...the point was to LEAVE with all the candy you made gone. Period. It wasn't about value of your candy. Your goal was to make someone else's night bright.
You may not see the importance in us, but we shaped the Hardcore scene Stateside. We led many to the names of artists and sent them on their merry way to internationally order the Bonkers albums.
Also, When was Hardcore EVER about "Looking cool"? If I remember right, literally most Happy Hardcore albums in the 90s were covered in Cartoon covers...Have you seen the vinyl sleeve for Rainbow Islands?
dannyboy uk
I wholly agree with this. I went off hardcore a lot cos I get sick of the UK scene and the direction raves were taking. Far too many Adidas manbags and crackheads were going. The scene just ended up feeling like a speed up Scouse house/bounce scene. So I just stopped going to raves. The standard MC's like MC storm and that just waffling over everything. All the mid 50 year olds taking speed in their race gear looking a atate. God.. it was awful.
Fast forward now, I feel the hardstyle scene really are giving it a new lease of life, Tweekacore are doing some great things for the scene, Darren Styles has brought in some more hardstyle pioneers doing tracks with them. The Electric Fox label have released some great stuff.
OneSeventy have been releasing some really top notch productions too, it feels like the scene if finally starting to catch up to modern times and I hope if gets more exposure, even Steve aoki has dipped his toes in and I'm liking the fact that it doesn't feel like some dirty secret that people like it anymore. I see hope. Especially if Q Dance get more involded.
This set is a great example
dannyboy uk
quote:Originally posted by dannyboy uk:
I wholly agree with this. I went off hardcore a lot cos I get sick of the UK scene and the direction raves were taking. Far too many Adidas manbags and crackheads were going. The scene just ended up feeling like a speed up Scouse house/bounce scene. So I just stopped going to raves. The standard MC's like MC storm and that just waffling over everything. All the mid 50 year olds taking speed in their race gear looking a atate. God.. it was awful.
Fast forward now, I feel the hardstyle scene really are giving it a new lease of life, Tweekacore are doing some great things for the scene, Darren Styles has brought in some more hardstyle pioneers doing tracks with them. The Electric Fox label have released some great stuff.
OneSeventy have been releasing some really top notch productions too, it feels like the scene if finally starting to catch up to modern times and I hope if gets more exposure, even Steve aoki has dipped his toes in and I'm liking the fact that it doesn't feel like some dirty secret that people like it anymore. I see hope. Especially if Q Dance get more involded.
This set is a great example
warped_candykid
quote:Originally posted by dannyboy uk:
Fast forward now, I feel the hardstyle scene really are giving it a new lease of life, Tweekacore are doing some great things for the scene, Darren Styles has brought in some more hardstyle pioneers doing tracks with them. The Electric Fox label have released some great stuff.
OneSeventy have been releasing some really top notch productions too,
Both of those labels hardly offer tracks at 170 bpm+. Most tracks are in the 160s, so it's not like you can play them in a higher BPM set, and I don't think slowing down the genre is a step to go towards.
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