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warped_candykid
Where's 2023 gonna take our little genre?
Gazza1712
Still waiting for that useless ****er Hixxy to get the back catalogue of raver baby and his newer tracks released
Smoogie
More of the same. In other words the same as the past ten years. There will be some good Old Skool styled tracks released from some specialists and the odd belter or two but you won't heard much from the mainstream. I will be mostly tuning in listening to some Hard House. The only new Hardcore I will listen to will be some breakbeat now and then
Samination
The Force & Styles album was supposed to be out last year (2020-21), so good luck getting Hixxy to release anything in time.
Winterlake
I certainly plan to continue to release fresh, original Hardcore throughout 2023 :)
Gazza1712
The force and styles album has been worked on and artwork and track list completed and I believe that the hold up is the pressing plant for the vinyl. 3 month minimum wait for vinyl to be pressed and sent back,
So typical of Hixxy though that getting the digitals out of the force & styles stuff is held up due to wanting the get the vinyl releases pressed. So can see it being quite expensive with one big package of 12 or so vinyl releases and maybe a usb stick with all the digitals on.
Alex Threat
has the album been made available to order or anything?
Samination
quote:Originally posted by Gazza1712:
The force and styles album has been worked on and artwork and track list completed and I believe that the hold up is the pressing plant for the vinyl. 3 month minimum wait for vinyl to be pressed and sent back,
So typical of Hixxy though that getting the digitals out of the force & styles stuff is held up due to wanting the get the vinyl releases pressed. So can see it being quite expensive with one big package of 12 or so vinyl releases and maybe a usb stick with all the digitals on.
Hixxy did say back in 2006-08 that the raverbaby digital store was ready and just waiting to be published... so I dont really trust much
DJ A.K.
Hopefully Bouncy Techno will make a return but I?m not holding my breath.
Sulphurik
quote:Originally posted by DJ A.K.:
Hopefully Bouncy Techno will make a return but I?m not holding my breath.
Yep, there have been a few bits, scott brown did a few bouncy techno remixes on kniteforce and joey riot released an ep on lethal theory ??. and guess what they were some of the best tracks I?ve heard in years.
Sulphurik
Jolly Roger Digital on Spotify with 2022 remixes including Can Can Party. Suburban Delay - Regenerator (Gordon Tennant remix) which sounds very good.
Samination
Wait, is the reason Scott Brown isn't selling Now is the Time is because Rab S took it over?
Captain Triceps
I've done a few bouncy bits. Did a remix of Never Lost His Hardcore for Kniteforce which went on the box set.
There's plenty of us wanting to do new bouncy techno actually.
Captain Triceps
quote:Originally posted by Sulphurik:
quote:Originally posted by DJ A.K.:
Hopefully Bouncy Techno will make a return but I?m not holding my breath.
Not to sound disrespectful or anything, I love bouncy techno but the standard needs to be much higher than this. I know it's traditionally a fairly basic style of music but this is definitely lacking in something.
DJ_FunDaBounce
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
quote:Originally posted by Sulphurik:
quote:Originally posted by DJ A.K.:
Hopefully Bouncy Techno will make a return but I?m not holding my breath.
Not to sound disrespectful or anything, I love bouncy techno but the standard needs to be much higher than this. I know it's traditionally a fairly basic style of music but this is definitely lacking in something.
yes. It sounds a little outdated. Quite uninspired.
kazukism92
- Hoping that Scott Brown returns with more music or gets remastered some tracks that aren't featured on the current catalog.
- Making more worldwide the UK Hardcore spectrum. This year Tatsunoshin was and still being a ground breaker into the genre crossing Hardstyle and UK Hardcore making less japanesey but more UK.
- And sure, more artist album for the current boys.
Alex Threat
quote:Originally posted by kazukism92:
- Hoping that Scott Brown returns with more music or gets remastered some tracks that aren't featured on the current catalog.
- Making more worldwide the UK Hardcore spectrum. This year Tatsunoshin was and still being a ground breaker into the genre crossing Hardstyle and UK Hardcore making less japanesey but more UK.
- And sure, more artist album for the current boys.
I'm hoping that Scott does something with the full Evo back cat. Like you say remastered. Maybe a limited edition USB, possibly something like what MOB & Enemy did to make it a bit more of a collectors item. But, here's to hoping! I personally don't think he will release anything new, but again, i could be totally worng!
Samination
quote:Originally posted by kazukism92:
- Making more worldwide the UK Hardcore spectrum.
That just made Darren Styles and Gammer to leave hardcore and make American EDM instead.
warped_candykid
I think the Bouncy Techno sound will come back with Buddabeats and El Capitano Records (and similar labels)
I would love to see a return to the 2002-2004 Happy/UK Hardcore sound with 5:00 - 7:00 runtimes with proper intros and outros for mixing
A resurgence of 90s German/Dutch will occur
Luz1978
If only the force and styles album was being sorted by kniteforce, they did a force and evolution box set this year, the digital element has been delivered but the vinyl part delayed,
but they give regular updates and they have delivered loads of other remastered projects in good time.
If the F&S album has been sent to be pressed then it must be all ready to go and so find it odd that they haven?t given any concrete updates or started pre-sale etc.
I don?t have Facebook, so hoping that someone on here says when it?s going on sale if that?s how it?s being promoted.
Samination
Even CDJay has a better trackrecord of getting stuff out, and I think even he wont touch the F&S album
DJ A.K.
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
I've done a few bouncy bits. Did a remix of Never Lost His Hardcore for Kniteforce which went on the box set.
There's plenty of us wanting to do new bouncy techno actually.
Great remix, I put it in a few mixes last year
There are also a lot of great happy hardcore/bouncy techno influenced tracks coming out on brutal cuts/future breakz, their bandcamp is full of great tracks like :
Time Rhythm & Darwin - Maybe We Can Dream
Time Rhythm & Darwin - Inventor of Wildstyle
Time Rhythm & Impulse - Going Crazy
Time Rhythm - New Jam (Impulse Riders Remix)
rafferty
quote:Originally posted by warped_candykid:
Where's 2023 gonna take our little genre?
I'm starting to think maybe it's just here in the UK that our scene is struggling. There is definitely talent from all over the globe pushing Hardcore.
Scene looks very healthy in Sydney Australia which I did a post aboutnon here
warped_candykid
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
quote:Originally posted by warped_candykid:
Where's 2023 gonna take our little genre?
I'm starting to think maybe it's just here in the UK that our scene is struggling. There is definitely talent from all over the globe pushing Hardcore.
Scene looks very healthy in Sydney Australia which I did a post aboutnon here
It's no where near as big here in the States as it was back in the 2000s/2010s. It's only played in certain pockets spread out over the States.
Icewind
I'm not sure where it will go, but I'll be producing and DJing either way. Just finished this mix a few days ago.
Brainchild
quote:Originally posted by Gazza1712:
The force and styles album has been worked on and artwork and track list completed and I believe that the hold up is the pressing plant for the vinyl. 3 month minimum wait for vinyl to be pressed and sent back,
So typical of Hixxy though that getting the digitals out of the force & styles stuff is held up due to wanting the get the vinyl releases pressed. So can see it being quite expensive with one big package of 12 or so vinyl releases and maybe a usb stick with all the digitals on.
Please don?t say the Force & Styles digital back catalogue is gonna be exclusive to a limited edition USB stick.
Samination
Has it even been confirmed that there will be a back-cat? I've only heard talks about an album, nothing more
GrahamC
I'm so confident that there will never be a F&S album or anything else that if it actually materialises I will buy it and eat it live on Youtube, Facebook or whatever platform it is in 2000 & never
Samination
if you do buy it, please make sure to rip it first to a computer :D
rafferty
Will basically keep going in two directions. You have half the scene making more traditional UK Happy Hardcore. 90s & 2000s kind of stuff with fresh production technology.
World Of Obsession
Brutal Kutz
Hardcore 24/7
Then the other half influenced heavily from the Netherlands Hardstyle & EDM scene.
One Seventy
Electric Fox
Justice Hardcore
160 style shit seems definitely on the way out. People are bored of it. Is definitely a Hardcore resurgence in Europe. Hardstyle Producers are dabbling with Hardcore more now. The kicks will definitely keep getting harder.
Triquatra
Scene will remain little. Tiny handful of producers releasing stuff whilst also ghost producing stuff for the others.
That's about the large and small of it.
Craig Cairney
Hopefully stop seeing names on lineups that haven't contributed to the growth of the genre in years.
caloldur
Hardcore is definitely on the rise here in Northwest corner of the United States. I'm optimistic for 2023
Winterlake
Adding to this, certainly there is atonnes of really strong music coming out now and events are certainly picking back up.
Hardcore is def on the up again.
Some need to let go of the Clubland-era, that is dead, but a new era is now growing, and its brilliant!
jenks
Frenchcore takeover.
caloldur
Given the trend upwards of the searches for hardstyle on google. I'm assuming that interest in happy hardcore will increase during 2023. We will probably see more and more new people dipping their hands in the harder genres. From a regional perspective, Seattle has a new event company that is focusing on happy hardcore so hopefully the once strong beacon of the hardcore scene will return.
This is all speculation though.
Samination
just because hardstyle gets more searches [again], it doesn't mean that [happy] hardcore does. I knew many people in the mid 2010's who liked hardstyle but didn't like hardcore (or happy/uk hardcore)
Compulsion
Some HHC events in Poland would be lovely.
Archefluxx
I would love to see more projects like Together 2022, taking classic Hardcore tracks and having modern day DJ's from other genres remix them. It's the sort of project I would love to see take shape with post-2000 Hardcore.
I've rambled a few months back about crowdfunded projects that paid for commissioned remixes by established producers with large followings in sister genres to remix popular modern Hardcore tracks. The outcome would be a commercially low risk product made accessible to a larger fan base. Wider benefit would be new sets of ears hearing Hardcore music and having a route in.
I personally would love an Echo Inada remix of something like Dark & Light (Setting Sun). Dope Ammo of Make it Werk. Possibilities are endless, really.
Sparkz_LuckyStrike
Probably will be more of the same old. Waiting around for releases that never happen. Hoping it returns to how it was. Another disappointing year guaranteed.
warped_candykid
I've noticed a lot of Kniteforce being released on Juno lately, including new tracks from DJ Ham. Could this be a sign that the 1993-1994 sound is returning?
Being Stateside, I find it hard to find a solid community of followers. It was so easy back in the day to feel involved & "in the know" of what was going on around the States. The more FB groups we create, the more we stretch the fandom, but hey, that's the new way it seems.
The drunken scotsman
I predict it will be another year further away from when hardcore was decent. My only connection to hardcore these days is this forum and I come on here about once every 3 months these days. That and the occasional Friday night rave in my living room if I happen to be pished when I get back from a night out and turn on YouTube for the weekly DJ-C Rave anywhere stream (superb by the way)
Just realised that 2022 marks 20 years since my interest in hardcore began. And about 6-7 years since it ended in all honesty.
Mental_Adam
Nothing but Nostalgia for the hardcore genre for 2023...
the genre gotta go back to it's roots and not bother trying to adapt to this soul-less era in time and music
it's great as many dedicated uploaders of the hardcore past on youtube and lots of the djs etc doing sets on occassions.
but nah, nothing gonna happen.... The genre still suffering from the commercial push and clubland stuff.
Vladel
Great music will still be held back from release while all the shit gets pumped out. There are great songs out there but the labels have their thumbs up their arses as usual.
Samination
quote:Originally posted by warped_candykid:
I've noticed a lot of Kniteforce being released on Juno lately, including new tracks from DJ Ham. Could this be a sign that the 1993-1994 sound is returning?
Being Stateside, I find it hard to find a solid community of followers. It was so easy back in the day to feel involved & "in the know" of what was going on around the States. The more FB groups we create, the more we stretch the fandom, but hey, that's the new way it seems.
No? Because it never left...
CDJay
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Even CDJay has a better trackrecord of getting stuff out, and I think even he wont touch the F&S album
I'm sorry... Who has a better track record of releasing albums in the past decade? Pretty sure I did more than everyone else combined 😂
If you had any idea of the levels of idiocy I've had to endure to do that, you'd likely be less sarcastic.
Jesus tricycling christ, I got the Sharkey album due 2001 out with everything unreleased that existed and as reward got Ganar spazzing weekly for months the day after I sent it off then Sharkey promised stuff I publicly posted after paying for his boyfriend to go to Toronto in my place after which he had a meltdown and disappeared for years. Eight months I worked on that album.
I did hu1 in 2006, it's 2023 tomorrow. I saw the album loading coming so started the series. Expanded it as a break even with visibility to enable exposure for digital downloads. When that was no longer viable I came up with the paired digital single model for hh series reboot and the Completionist model. First with direct sale to hmv et al, first with hi resolution audio, first with heavyweight vinyl, first with direct sale (tens of thousands of albums worldwide), free eps, I could carry on but I am wondering what exactly else of worth happened after 2008?
I've been reliably informed that, and do bear in mind I've been off grid curing rare diseases and winning landmark lawsuits (involving the guy from the Diana inquest, Shipman inquiry and Salisbury poisonings) that I'm a running joke. That's... Surprising given the shit show that's seemingly emerged when I stopped full time engagement in mid 2019. Almost seems like it all went to absolute shit the second I turned my back imnsho 😂
Anyway, carry on. Clearly I'm redundant and have never done anything useful for this scene in the past two decades 👍
CDJay
CDJay
Also, I'm back. Two new major projects actioned, and believe me when I say they're exactly what should have been happening this whole time.
How a genre defined by youth counter culture turned into a circle jerk for the elderly is obvious. It's been alluded to in this very thread.
It lost it's identity, and turned into a appeasement of people who think it's 2008 yet moan it isn't. I joked in 2013 that Come Running should win track of the year. What's changed apart from pissing off the core audience chasing an audience that isn't there whilst paying people who haven't done anything in a decade to half-heartedly dance for people who probably haven't either.
Nothing is more stupid than squandering the genres potential in the climate of the past six years.
CDJay
Samination
quote:Originally posted by CDJay:
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
Even CDJay has a better trackrecord of getting stuff out, and I think even he wont touch the F&S album
I'm sorry... Who has a better track record of releasing albums in the past decade? Pretty sure I did more than everyone else combined 😂
I didn't make that comment to belittle you. it's quite the other way around, like you said yourself (did more than everyone else combinded)
CDJay
*giggles like a shy schoolgirl*
Anyway, I'm back. More importantly, I'm back in a RFU era way and I refuse to kowtow to proven idiots or their lemmingcide disciples. Half the reason for the current scene situ is bad actors running around with zero accountability. It's time for a scene #metoo 😂
Welcome to 2023.
CDJay
Triquatra
quote:Originally posted by CDJay:
*giggles like a shy schoolgirl*
Anyway, I'm back. More importantly, I'm back in a RFU era way and I refuse to kowtow to proven idiots or their lemmingcide disciples. Half the reason for the current scene situ is bad actors running around with zero accountability. It's time for a scene #metoo 😂
Welcome to 2023.
CDJay
........Are you some sort of masochist? :P
Welcome back mate, looking forward to supporting any efforts in 2023 :)
CDJay
Clearly. Ironically I said for years that the idiots needed to be allowed to expose their idiocy so sense could be seen. I'd rather it happened in a less trauma laden (to me) fashion obviously.
We're all here because we at some point loved the genre and what it can be. After all I've sunk in I'll be damned if I let them eternally sink it in the most obviously hospitable climate since the birth of rave itself.
CDJay
Vladel
quote:Originally posted by CDJay:
Clearly. Ironically I said for years that the idiots needed to be allowed to expose their idiocy so sense could be seen. I'd rather it happened in a less trauma laden (to me) fashion obviously.
We're all here because we at some point loved the genre and what it can be. After all I've sunk in I'll be damned if I let them eternally sink it in the most obviously hospitable climate since the birth of rave itself.
CDJay
You'll find the forums are largely dead now and most people use the discord
These are all the ones i have at present, there's a joey riot one but not very much happens on there.
Ardefisty
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
Will basically keep going in two directions. You have half the scene making more traditional UK Happy Hardcore. 90s & 2000s kind of stuff with fresh production technology.
World Of Obsession
Brutal Kutz
Hardcore 24/7
Then the other half influenced heavily from the Netherlands Hardstyle & EDM scene.
One Seventy
Electric Fox
Justice Hardcore
160 style shit seems definitely on the way out. People are bored of it. Is definitely a Hardcore resurgence in Europe. Hardstyle Producers are dabbling with Hardcore more now. The kicks will definitely keep getting harder.
You also have the breakbeat guys with stuff like the Future Breakz compilations, not to mention the freeform family, I just listened to the Stamina Records' 2022 compilation, and it closed up really solidly; in the finnish scene, it seems the guys from Carbon Based are finally back from their decade hiatus. Also, Kevin Energy just released an album with some juicy collabs (one from the one and only Lost Soul!)
With guys like these, never giving up, I have high hopes for the scene as a whole. Even if it feels stagnated, this just leaves space for younger producers to step up.
Sulphurik
New Scooter track. I like the first part of the track - it's fairly UK hardcore sounding but then it turns to hardstyle kicks in second part. This seems to be becoming quite a common thing in some hardcore tracks I've heard eg. Ben Nicky - Soulmate track.
Sulphurik
quote:Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
quote:Originally posted by Captain Triceps:
quote:Originally posted by Sulphurik:
quote:Originally posted by DJ A.K.:
Hopefully Bouncy Techno will make a return but I?m not holding my breath.
Not to sound disrespectful or anything, I love bouncy techno but the standard needs to be much higher than this. I know it's traditionally a fairly basic style of music but this is definitely lacking in something.
yes. It sounds a little outdated. Quite uninspired.
It's not hardcore but I like the old skool 90s influences. Thought would make you aware of this remix.
Craig Cairney
quote:Originally posted by CDJay:
*giggles like a shy schoolgirl*
Anyway, I'm back. More importantly, I'm back in a RFU era way and I refuse to kowtow to proven idiots or their lemmingcide disciples. Half the reason for the current scene situ is bad actors running around with zero accountability. It's time for a scene #metoo 😂
Welcome to 2023.
CDJay
Good to have you back sir. It's not been the same (at least from my perspective) since you took a step back. Any info re: genre tracks / artists etc. over the past few years that you've missed, just holler dude and I'll report back.
Samination
quote:Originally posted by Craig Cairney:
quote:Originally posted by CDJay:
*giggles like a shy schoolgirl*
Anyway, I'm back. More importantly, I'm back in a RFU era way and I refuse to kowtow to proven idiots or their lemmingcide disciples. Half the reason for the current scene situ is bad actors running around with zero accountability. It's time for a scene #metoo 😂
Welcome to 2023.
CDJay
Good to have you back sir. It's not been the same (at least from my perspective) since you took a step back. Any info re: genre tracks / artists etc. over the past few years that you've missed, just holler dude and I'll report back.
aren't you too busy uploading videos to youtube? :P
Dylan Scott
quote:Originally posted by warped_candykid:
I would love to see a return to the 2002-2004 Happy/UK Hardcore sound with 5:00 - 7:00 runtimes with proper intros and outros for mixing
Is that not a thing anymore? I agree, I've been listening to a lot of mixes lately and call me old but, I'm not sure I really like being thrown from one track to the other every two minutes... I feel the depth of some out music has gone.
Samination
quote:Originally posted by Dylan Scott:
quote:Originally posted by warped_candykid:
I would love to see a return to the 2002-2004 Happy/UK Hardcore sound with 5:00 - 7:00 runtimes with proper intros and outros for mixing
Is that not a thing anymore? I agree, I've been listening to a lot of mixes lately and call me old but, I'm not sure I really like being thrown from one track to the other every two minutes... I feel the depth of some out music has gone.
hasnt been for the mainstream uk hardcore since at least... 2004 XD
Winterlake
quote:Originally posted by CDJay:
*giggles like a shy schoolgirl*
Anyway, I'm back. More importantly, I'm back in a RFU era way and I refuse to kowtow to proven idiots or their lemmingcide disciples. Half the reason for the current scene situ is bad actors running around with zero accountability. It's time for a scene #metoo 😂
Welcome to 2023.
CDJay
Let's kickstart this scene back to life Jay :)
Winterlake
quote:Originally posted by Craig Cairney:
Hopefully stop seeing names on lineups that haven't contributed to the growth of the genre in years.
We need to stop putting the "headliners" above the actual guys making the music in 2023. It's time to move on to those who are investing in the scene right now, today.
There will always be a space for the legacy/classics DJ's, and rightly so, but the ones producing the music today should be at the top of those flyers.
Winterlake
quote:Originally posted by Vladel:
Great music will still be held back from release while all the shit gets pumped out. There are great songs out there but the labels have their thumbs up their arses as usual.
I have found the opposite. I came back to Hardcore in Jan 2022, with a clear mission to push fresh & originally written Hardcore, no remixes, no bootlegs. New lyrics and 100% original recorded vocals (bar one tune).
The response has been amazing! I've had lots of support from the major Hardcore labels, DJs, streams, promoters etc. There is an appetite for it.
I have some golden rules, in a set, 1/2 remixes max, the rest has to be originals from the last 2 years and I haven't had any shortage of quality material to play.
I don't even load any of the classics from 90s to 2018 on my USB anymore, so I avoid the cheap sugar rush of throwing a classic in the mix. Deleted the lot.
We all need to push the fresh, original music from current producers like other scenes do, or die. The choice is simple. Will you support us? :)
rafferty
quote:Originally posted by Winterlake:
quote:Originally posted by Vladel:
Great music will still be held back from release while all the shit gets pumped out. There are great songs out there but the labels have their thumbs up their arses as usual.
I have found the opposite. I came back to Hardcore in Jan 2022, with a clear mission to push fresh & originally written Hardcore, no remixes, no bootlegs. New lyrics and 100% original recorded vocals (bar one tune).
The response has been amazing! I've had lots of support from the major Hardcore labels, DJs, streams, promoters etc. There is an appetite for it.
I have some golden rules, in a set, 1/2 remixes max, the rest has to be originals from the last 2 years and I haven't had any shortage of quality material to play.
I don't even load any of the classics from 90s to 2018 on my USB anymore, so I avoid the cheap sugar rush of throwing a classic in the mix. Deleted the lot.
We all need to push the fresh, original music from current producers like other scenes do, or die. The choice is simple. Will you support us? :)
I don't think it applies to remixes of old tracks if they are done creatively and do the original justice.. It should more apply to using the same old clubland & raverbaby sounds over and over again. Like those strings have been done to death for 20 plus years. How long can the same sound keep getting used.
Why not look at all the other possibilities like breakbeats, pianos, EDM House riffs, rap sampling.
I'm not saying these clubland productions are bad. The tracks are really well produced. I just think there are so many more things that can be done.
There is a reason why hardcore was head and shoulders above the rest in the 90s. It was a time when producers thought outside the box with creativity instead of trying to sound the same all the time.
Jack In Box is someone that is actually doing something original with his productions.
Future Breaks is probably the best Hardcore label around at the moment.
Samination
hm, maybe the first Jack in the Box track that I actually like? :o
impossibre
Craig Cairney
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
hm, maybe the first Jack in the Box track that I actually like? :o
impossibre
Just out of curiosity, what stuff do you actually like? And that's a serious question. I've never been able to figure it out over the decades.
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