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| mrc |
So now your shining is due a pop relece! is it ruinin another classic or is it all hardcore?
Either way ill probibly hate the remix, Ultrabeat - feelin fine was on the other night, i could have cryd.
oh s*it man, what was i saying? |
| silver |
It's already on the clubland 4 CD... read the top news story that might make a little more happy as AATW seem to want to support hardcore.
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| djDMS |
No problem with it from me.
Just remember, it's by B&S - not a cover, so they can do with it whatever they like.
The trance/hardcore scenes have never been closer so why not make the most of it?
Personally i don't think it'll kill Hardcore - just make more money for the artists who deserve more recognition.
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| Underloop |
I think its great news for hardcore that a hugely commercial label is looking to push hardcore.
The only thing I am very dissapointed in is that the AATW release (or at least the version on Clubland 4) is just a slowed down version of the original mix. I can't help but feel that this track needs a full remix, not just a bit of timestretching.
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| Exhile |
Well as far as im aware, its the hardcore version that is actually the timestreched mix. As Breeze &^Styles originally made this a trance tune
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| Underloop |
Heh, thats just sodding typical LOL
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| djmyers |
**** shit arse bitch ****!!!
you're shinning is one of the best Hardcore tunes ever created an now its due a feckin bollox popy-shi.t release! Honestly, I bet its Flip n Fill, Ultrabeat n Rezonance Q doing the remixes. What shite!!
Im sorry but AATW have really gone too far! They say they're supporting the hardcore scene, r they ****! They're rippin our best tunes, turning them into poor (and I mean really poor) popy trance remixes and claiming them as they're own! They make me really sad  I mean think about it, Heart of Gold wasnt Force & Styles on AATW, it was Kelly Lorrena. Field Of Dreams wasnt Force & Styles, it was Flip n Fill. THEY DIDNT MAKE THE TUNE! Force n Styles did. They just made the piss-poor remixes!
Im really gutted coz I thort that You're Shining at least would stay hardcore. Devistated 
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| jordanharkins |
**** this! It is albums like clubland 4 and commercial remxies by the likes of flip and fill that give hardcore a bad name. How anyone can say a chart release is good, i dont know. Everyone who likes hardcore knows its a good tune so why so teeny boppers listening to flip and fill have to go out and buy it as well
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| Molesey |
I hope they don't slow down B&S Sonic!
Just imagine that? isn't worth thinking about
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| Oli G |
My View
Fairplay to breeze and styles, if aatw came up to me wanting to comercialy cover one of our tracks, id let em, seriously see it from the producers view, ravers keep saying "its our hardcore" "stop destroying our hardcore" when half of you are doing a better job at destroying it than AATW by downloading stuff, pirating cds, etc, plus, is this really destroying hardcore? at all? if anything its helping.
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| Charco |
agree sh*tloads bout the downloadin an that....and about thinkin from the producers side........but i think that '"Special" feelin I had when I knew i was part of a select crowd who love an listen to hardcore' is starting to leave.....Its fcukin great that hardcore is growing so big....but i think it needs to stay a bit low an not go too much into the comercial shite side of it--scooter did....look at him now.....his crowd is mostly teenie boppers.....
anyway...thats just my opinion....
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| thecrazyg |
if it's not hardcore they are defacing the scene
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| djDMS |
The usual narrow minded response then.
Why are commercial trance tunes giving Hardcore a bad name?
It's a different style to start with and if anybody here can give me a good reason why it's 'destroying hardcore' i'll happily shut up.
Also, why do people want the scene to stay so small?
You're all saying 'ooh, i love hardcore blah, blah' and i'll bet you'll also be moaning when the scene can't sustain itself because it's followed by a minority and dies down again.
Just listen to the people that know (Respect to Oli G) and leave it at that.
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| Charco |
everyone has a right to their opinion,
for everything--there will be people who like....and people who don't.
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| thecrazyg |
Believe it or not i want hardcore to become super-popular but when things are 'commercialised' they are modified to fit what popular culture wants and so they aren't really hardcore nemore
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| djDMS |
quote:
Originally posted by mustapha:
everyone has a right to their opinion,
for everything--there will be people who like....and people who don't.
Opinions are fine but something more constructive than
"What a load of shite, leave Hardcore alone" would be nice!!
I don't think the dj's/producers etc involved in the hardcore scene will change anything to suit others, they'll just keep doing what they're doing with hopefully more recognition from more people.
If people want to latch onto Hardcore then so be it. If they want to leave the scene when something else comes along good luck to them - we'll still be there when they've gone.
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| mrc |
i gota say the all the previous re-mix's were pritty shitty (IMO) and i get so sick of 12yo girls singin shootin star die but its gota be helpin loads cuz of the revenue and it gives hardcore a bit of the limelight.
oh s*it man, what was i saying? |
| Seany |
imo this is a step to commercialisation ,their taking hardcore when its getting popular...... ..aslong as they just take force n styles with them 
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| raverdave |
Ultrabeat-feeling fine, yes it poo (so very poo!) but who cares, pop versions of these tunes arn't hurtin hardcore. Yes it's gonna make us angry when we hear our tunes being ruined and shite versions being played on radio BUT ITS HAPPENING, accept it.
Most people will never know these were originally hardcore tunes and are judging them on the versions they hear, the fact that most of them do so well in the charts can only be a good thing, shows how good the music we listen to really is.
Put yourselves in a propper trance heads shoes for minute, imagine how they feel about the 100's of THEIR tunes that hardcore has ripped, its just the circle of music, its the way it always has been!
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| Seany |
yeah well imo ,the trance heads dont care about the hardcore rips ,because they arent going into the charts and making it look like they done the original ,if you get me.......
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| B.C |
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| DJ Mouse |
so you guys are telling me that if you made a tune you're not gonna want it to go to the charts? even if it has to be a slowed down mix or whatever,people are going to buy it,getting to hear the best version (hardcore) like originally planned. look at it as a kick up the arse to get the hardcore version heard by a lot of people compared to how many hear it now.
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| strychnine |
IMO bad non-hardcore remixes of hardcore songs don't hurt hardcore. If anything, bad hardcore remakes of hardcore songs do more damage than anything else.
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| ganja-girl |
i get well pissed off when i hear a good true hardcore classic playin on the f***ing radio because half the time they've made it shit. im not a dj but for f*** sake man your just ruinin the hardcore feelin when you hear a tune like your shinning you cant help it your up dancing your arse off and your loving it but then u hear sum shitty remix on the radio and almost wanna cry  it also really f***s me off when these jumped up teenie boppers r like yeh have you heard that new tune your shinning (or wotever tunes out at that time) and there like yeh man i love it its the best tune ive ever heard u just wanna tell em to **** off cuz its hardcore and always will be not no shitty trance remix. alot of people hear these hardcore tunes on the radio attend to say it was that releasin artist who dun the track wen it ****in ent. sorry if ive gone on i dont even no if it makes sense but i just need to say it!
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| Seany |
quote:
it also really f***s me off when these jumped up teenie boppers r like yeh have you heard that new tune your shinning (or wotever tunes out at that time) and there like yeh man i love it its the best tune ive ever heard u just wanna tell em to **** off cuz its hardcore and always will be not no shitty trance remix.
yeah i agree with that ,i atleast think the hardcore artists should get some recognition for it :)
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| djDMS |
So Breeze & Styles releasing a trance version of their own tunes is wrong?
That's just silly.
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| Kyle_Buffrey |
If Hardcore is done at 135 BPM it isn't really hardcore is it?
I do not understand why they are producing commercial versions to tell the truth. Why the f**k can't kids learn to dance to the pace of hardcore? It's probably because of the fast food obesity problem.
Sarcasm aside, We must all not forget that Breeze, Styles & Force liscensed the tracks to AATW to be covered by Flip & Fill anyway. And Ultrabeat does produce proper hardcore under a different name as well.
But I really do not understand why no label has tryed to release a proper hardcore track on CD single in mass quantities, because certain tracks, such as the original of 'You're Shining' would probably get into the U.K top 40 easily, if not the top 10. Hardcore is still not considered to be a serious genre of music by some, but mass coverage may make people realise that it is a music genre that is just as good as house, trance , D'n'B e.t.c.
I can't thinking that that Breeze, Styles & Force will be well loaded, because they produce hardcore on Jelly & Raver Baby, Hardhouse on Nukleuz , and commercial s**te ,errmm... i mean dance music on AATW. Producing for 4 different labels must have good earning potential. I'm Jealous. They are just multi talented, I guess...
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| jordanharkins |
[quote]Originally posted by ganja-girl:
i get well pissed off when i hear a good true hardcore classic playin on the f***ing radio because half the time they've made it shit. it also really f***s me off when these jumped up teenie boppers r like yeh have you heard that new tune your shinning (or wotever tunes out at that time) and there like yeh man i love it its the best tune ive ever heard u just wanna tell em to **** off cuz its hardcore and always will be not no shitty trance remix.[quote]
I have to say i totally agree with this as i go f*****g mental whenever i here songs like heart of gold, field of dreams, eyeopener etc absolutely f*****g murdered by talentless c***s like flip and fill. They are only in it for the money and i hope breeze and styles arent going down that same way
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| steve O |
hardcore doesnt have the coverage that it shuld and the tunes shouldnt have to be remixed to slow dance remixs to get in the charts and i dont no how the producers dont realise that.Yeah sure wen they make a commercial dance remix it gains a new audience but it loses the proper hardcore audience coz they think it is shit. if they released PROPER hardcore choons in the chart then ALL the proper hardcore lovers would buy it and the producers wouldnt hav to make it sumthing its not. if u catch my drift. this argument will never be solved.EVER.
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| dj-freedom |
I definatly agree that most of the remixes are useless but the people involved have no problem with it and obviously see it doing some good, dont forget, people like force n styles n breeze have been involved with the scene for a long time and they seem to know what theyre doing.
About the names of the artists on the commercial release, now, if a band does a cover version of another artist's song, then they release it in their own right with the original writer also being credited as the songwriter, which is normally found in brackets under the song title.
Its exactly the same with the re-releases of the hardcore stuff, it credits P.Hobbs and D. Mew as the songwriters, none other than the great force n styles.
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| Lixx |
quote:
Originally posted by steve O:
hardcore doesnt have the coverage that it shuld and the tunes shouldnt have to be remixed to slow dance remixs to get in the charts and i dont no how the producers dont realise that.
I am this close to making a fat list of songs that hardcore heads wouldn't enjoy if they were still trance, but have been converted to hardcore and are now praised beyond understanding. Why does everyone have to slag off any incarnation of a hardcore tune that isn't at the "proper" speed? I don't get it. I for one will give props to the Ultrabeat crew. Sure the trance versions aren't as good as the original hardcore ones. Shouldn't we be thankful for that though? Isn't it better to know that the people who did it first, did it right, and everyone else is left to copy and emulate the greatness of the original work?
Who cares if it gets more chart time. If we really cared about that then we wouldn't be listening to hardcore would we? It's all about producers being recognized for the talents that they are, not shutting them off into this infallible, untouchable god-like phase of ascendence where they are superhuman beings who's name no one can speak without retribution. That's where it seems to be heading with all this whining and backwards appraisal. Can't you see the tables have turned a bit? We are now admired by the people who know what good music is. The masses will always be stupid, always be mindless sheep, but now the producers and label-heads are coming onto our side. Isn't that worth it? The indesputable answer to this is yes.
It's time to stop bitching. If you don't like the tune and you've managed to find this website, I'm absolutely sure you've got some hardcore you could put on instead. I however will enjoy all of it: the music, the proper recognition of the scene, the fact that I know what the music's true roots are and, unlike many of you, won't be talking out of my bunghole when someone new to the scene wants to discuss music. You guys should be fed up with this nonsense, because I sure am and I hardly ever have the time to check this site.
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| Charco |
^Agree... 
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| white_rabbit |
I'm all for hardcore getting some exposure, no matter how terrible the remakes sound.
The thing that bothers me is the type of people that commercialised hardcore will attract to the scene. You know what I'm talking about 
Curiouser and curiouser ... |
| mjd |
Erm.. could you all remind me just how the hell this is going to expose hardcore?????? It wasent until recently that I discovered that Pretty Green Eyes was an original hardcore tune FFS!!!!!! So how on earth are the general public going to get to listen to hardcore when a agonizingly slowed down track is played on the radio? like me they will think it is the original.
It makes me sick if anythin this is raping the hardcore scene.
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| ganja-girl |
quote:
how on earth are the general public going to get to listen to hardcore when a agonizingly slowed down track is played on the radio? like me they will think it is the original.
It makes me sick if anythin this is raping the hardcore scene.
well said mate i agree! 
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| StrifeII |
quote:
Originally posted by Oli G:
My View
Fairplay to breeze and styles, if aatw came up to me wanting to comercialy cover one of our tracks, id let em, seriously see it from the producers view, ravers keep saying "its our hardcore" "stop destroying our hardcore" when half of you are doing a better job at destroying it than AATW by downloading stuff, pirating cds, etc, plus, is this really destroying hardcore? at all? if anything its helping.
Yeah, agreed. I've just had some uber large flame about people downloading mp3s as has deejaybee. as long as they keep their noses out and dont start producing it its fine by me
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| mrc |
any one know if the singles have the hardcore mixes on??
(i cant bear to look myself)
oh s*it man, what was i saying? |
| hooverlover |
one word comes to mind for this pop-trance remixing issue....... HI-JACKING! ARRRRGH!
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| Entity |
I've been to aatw.com and read and re-read what they've said, and from what I've gathered they like the tunes but they just want to release them to a wider market - i.e. slow the fu**er down, strip out everything that was good about it in the first place, let some inebriated muppet that sounds nothing like the original singer re-record the vocals and push it out the door as commercial sh*te that sounds NOTHING like the original. They've made no mention of releasing hardcore, just an intention of working with the artists. Without a doubt, every last hardcore cover that has come out of AATW, be it by Flip n Fill, Ultrabeat etc. has been well and truly butchered. Also, how many of these covers actually had the hardcore mix as well on the CD?.................................
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| Dj Vapour |
i really like the AATW version heard it on my m8s cd yesterday
*hmmm timestreching time*
but yeah oli ur right about the downloading thing
i wouldnt like to see my choons goin around
i personally think more labels should do what quosh have done with the £1 a track cd
i think that would take alot of them downloaders away
i know ive played choons that are first tracks on complilation cd's but i know that the artist has recieved money through me buying that cd
then when it comes out i buy the vinyl
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| Kaffine |
This is the first step in a series that will lead to hardcore's expansion! Don't you see this? Don't you know how the mainstream music scene works?
Say I'm some teenybopper or whatnot (maybe more like a mainstream clubber.) A big song breaks out, I go nuts. I buy the CD (or LP or whatever) and listen it through a bunch. Get curious. Look up the artists (because I want to be the world's biggest fan.) If I looked up 'breeze & styles' I'd come up with this strange thing called 'hardcore' that they seem to dabble in. Give it a listen - ****! This shit's good! So I tell my friends, they tell their friends, and soon I have a whole crew of people who I bring with me partying one night! We have the time of our lives and meet all sorts of new people, and stick with it.
We want that. Sure, we'll have lots of newbies for a while, but it's more people! More = fun. That's what I have to say.
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| Underloop |
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Originally posted by Kaffine:
We want that. Sure, we'll have lots of newbies for a while, but it's more people! More = fun.
Fresh victims...... meat....... faces 
Matthew aka DJ Underloop
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| Simon |
Yep what Underloop said.
More people is always good  .
although the smell coming from the fridge is getting a bit dodgy!
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| virus |
Y O U R
Y O U ' R E
they're as different as night and day..
don't you think that night and day are different..
what's wrong with you..
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| whispering |
quote:
Originally posted by Hujimafuja:
They've made no mention of releasing hardcore, just an intention of working with the artists.
They have ALWAYS sayd whos the original artist when they release a cover,
but the artist pages are updated so, that every time theres a new update, they erase the old info. Thats why you didnt find the info...
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Originally posted by Hujimafuja:
Also, how many of these covers actually had the hardcore mix as well on the CD?
Did bonkers 9 have the original version of Double Dutch - Heaven, Scott Brown - Rock You Softly, Scott Brown - Turn Up The Music and Scott Brown - Ghosts? ....errr, no!
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| Seany |
quote:
Did bonkers 9 have the original version of Double Dutch - Heaven, Scott Brown - Rock You Softly, Scott Brown - Turn Up The Music and Scott Brown - Ghosts? ....errr, no!
I cant say i would want the originals on it.... 
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| mr bishi |
Is its gona be released under B&S or F&F
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| djDMS |
It might have remixes by the likes of F&F but it is definitely Breeze & Styles - and they are fully involved.
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| silver |
It has to be under Breeze and Styles because the track is too new for them to be able to get a cover licence. For AATW to own the track B&S would have to sell the rights to it over to AATW, and if I was B&S I would be asking a truck load of cash for it... so it I'm quite sure AATW would go the cheaper option and release it under the B&S name.
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| dagapman |
this whole thing is exciting, but a little disheartening as well
i hope its not poopy
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| Comet |
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Originally posted by virus:
Y O U R
Y O U ' R E
they're as different as night and day..
don't you think that night and day are different..
what's wrong with you..
Thank.. you.. so.. much..
I'm seriously sick and tired of people not knowing the difference between, "your" and, "you're". Please go to school..
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