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StarRizerX
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 Posted - 2004/10/31 : 22:47:05
I was having this chat with some friends of mine:
It seems that many of the new NG & BB releases are sounding VERY similar. Don't get me wrong, I love the music all the way, but if you've heard some of the new stuff, you know what I'm talking about.
For example, consider the song "In Your Life" by Brisk and Ham. The way it sounds, it could have been done by V.A.G.A.B.O.N.D. or Frisky just the same.
If you've heard some of Frisky's latest stuff (besides the stuff he releases on NG or BB), it's hard to fathom the fact that he produces tracks that sound very similar to Ham and Euphoria (e.g., 'Party Crasher' and 'The One' sound very similar to 'Silver Dawn' and 'Dreamskies').
We know that Euphoria is an alias for V.A.G.A.B.O.N.D., but what about Eclipse? If you ask me, I'm very perplexed by VERY similar sounds in 'Too Beautiful' by Euphoria and '24/7' by Eclipse. The beats sound exactly the same if not changed a bit!
This brings me to the question: Is V.A.G.A.B.O.N.D. a real guy, or is the picture of the guy on the website just fake? I mean, it's hard to imagine that someone would write up a biography so "in-depth," but could it be possible that 1 guy is behind the names of all these artists?
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kg4
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Posted - 2004/10/31 : 22:59:54
i guess it's possible, but who knows.
people have been doing that for a long time.
Oh man, I hope I didn't brain my damage...
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Mortis
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Posted - 2004/10/31 : 23:51:09
Hmm, i had a thought that V.A.G.A.B.O.N.D/Euphoria might be Dreadhead as well, ive heard a few of there tunes that sound like they where made by the same person, maybe its just the next gen /bb sound, who knows...
On the point of people writing under ther names, Bradley Carter springs to mind, he used to enginere under the name of Eruption but he's made tracks by Go Mental, Ruff Driverz & 2000 BC (and a few others i cant cant remember), its not uncomman for people to write under other names.
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StarRizerX
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Posted - 2004/11/01 : 00:05:53
Yeah, but this isn't really a question of "naming." It's more of a question of "does this person really exist, and 'who is' the person behind the face of V.A.G.A.B.O.N.D.?"
I'm aware that artists have been doing this for a long time, but based on history, V.A.G.A.B.O.N.D. is supposed to be an actual artist and Euphoria is supposed to be his alias. My guess is that it's actually Ham, Eclipse or even Dreadhead ::looks at kg4::, but I could be wrong.
It's just that the funny thing is that there's actually a picture of this guy on the website, so the label is definately making more of the name than an alias. This is all dependent on whether or not the label is actually completely "faking" the artist.
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Mortis
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Posted - 2004/11/01 : 00:07:42
Can't see a reason why a label as big as next gen would fake an artist, its not like they need the promotion.
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Posted - 2004/11/01 : 00:26:07
v.a.g.a.b.o.n.d. is definatly a real person and euphoria is an alias he uses.
where vagabond seems to be slightly more to the freeform side and euphoria seems to slightly differ although be simialar to vagabond seems to be more plain hardcore. or maybe thats just me
Dredhead is an alias for somebody but i forget who, and eclipse i think is also an alias but i dont who for
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Slammer_Jammer_Man
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Posted - 2004/11/01 : 00:31:12
I really can't see why you think 24/7 and 2 Damn Beautiful are so similar. They're both cheesy Happy Hardcore tracks, so obviously they are going to have some similarities, but I strongly disagree that they almost have the same beat. I have always thought of them, and even after scrutinizing them following your comment, continue to think of them as distinct songs. I don't think Eclipse has anything to do with V.A.G.A.B.O.N.D/Euphoria.
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StarRizerX
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Posted - 2004/11/01 : 00:41:36
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v.a.g.a.b.o.n.d. is definatly a real person and euphoria is an alias he uses.
where vagabond seems to be slightly more to the freeform side and euphoria seems to slightly differ although be simialar to vagabond seems to be more plain hardcore. or maybe thats just me
Dredhead is an alias for somebody but i forget who, and eclipse i think is also an alias but i dont who for
Yeah, but based on how much you're guessing, how are you 'certain' that V.A.G.A.B.O.N.D. is REAL?
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where vagabond seems to be slightly more to the freeform side
Uh...I don't think so. V.A.G.A.B.O.N.D. hasn't released any freeform tunes from what I've heard. It's apparent that all his stuff has the same sound as Eclipse, Dreadhead, and Ham.
What I'm saying is that all these guys' tunes are starting to sound the same, production-wise. It's like if Hixxy and UFO's stuff started to sound the same as Adam Harris' stuff, and Adam Harris turned out to be not a real person. Like...UFO could actually be Adam Harris. That's just some obscure idea, but hey, it's could happen.
Besides, NG & BB are not as big as a label as you think. This label is only big if you compare it to other "Hardcore" labels. I couldn't imagine why they wouldn't do this if they were trying to make the label look more extensive than just few artists.
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I really can't see why you think 24/7 and 2 Damn Beautiful are so similar. They're both cheesy Happy Hardcore tracks, so obviously they are going to have some similarities, but I strongly disagree that they almost have the same beat. I have always thought of them, and even after scrutinizing them following your comment, continue to think of them as distinct songs. I don't think Eclipse has anything to do with V.A.G.A.B.O.N.D/Euphoria.
Yeah, well, the beats of those 2 songs sound the same to me, if not VERY close. This might be a better example: 'Crazy Love' & 'Enter Heaven.' Those songs are also very similar s far as the beats go. Something I was thinking about while typing this is the possibility that some of these guys just spend time together in the studio when making tracks and beats. This could be why their songs sound alike.
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Posted - 2004/11/01 : 01:11:51
Yes Vagabond is real and yes, he is Euphoria and Dreadhead- His name is S.tomsit(sp?) and has done Hard dance tunes before- (As you will have read on NG) There's no reason to think he doesn't exist and his style sounds way different from Ham's.. :\ Alot of the stuff on the label is going to sound a bit samey though as that's there style.
http://www.ush.net/board/viewtopic.php?t=132666&highlight=vagabond
^^-Bit of discussion here, from another clueless person. :P
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Mortis
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Posted - 2004/11/01 : 01:18:32
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Originally posted by Seany:
Yes Vagabond is real and yes, he is Euphoria and Dreadhead-
Thought he was Dreadhead, n thats what i ment by the ng/bb sound.
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Posted - 2004/11/01 : 01:18:57
Yes, he is a real person. For one, under all of his tunes, it says, "Written & Produced by S. Tomsit" (as Sean said). Another reason is because I saw a picture of him on Upfront magazine. In the picture, he looked a bit like Brisk (which was funny) but is indeed a real person. If you want, I can find some way to scan it and show you all.
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Mortis
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Posted - 2004/11/01 : 01:22:03
I thought Eupohria/ V.A.G.A.B.O.N.D (what a bitch to type)/ Dreadhead, has got dreads, Brisk has a shaved head does he not 
Thats not to say Comet is lying 
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Posted - 2004/11/01 : 01:39:44
P. Nineham = Brisk, Rapido, Quicksilver, 1/2 of Double Dutch
H. Dean = Ham, Eclipse
S. Tomsit = V.A.G.A.B.O.N.D, Euphoria, Dreadhed
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Posted - 2004/11/01 : 01:48:49
IMO Euphoria/V.A.G.A.B.O.N.D/Dreahead is poss the most talented new producer of the moment.
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Posted - 2004/11/01 : 02:33:15
Hey Comet if you can scan that picture from the magazine thanks! Seany, thanks for linking that thread from ush.
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Posted - 2004/11/01 : 02:40:39
Just read the ush link, so is he the Sargent Sam : Experience of reality on the Eleusis label?
Either way, talanted guy who ever he is.
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