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mark-ireland
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 Posted - 2005/02/11 : 15:00:13
I think it would be a good idea to have a section in the forums just for people to put up links to their mixes tunes etc.
The hardcore section does get loads of topics that are basically the same.
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whispering
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Posted - 2005/02/11 : 15:18:12
Mixes are basicly "illegal", so IMO it would be a little weird to have an area for them o_O
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Dave Murray
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Posted - 2005/02/11 : 15:30:36
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Originally posted by whispering:
Mixes are basicly "illegal", so IMO it would be a little weird to have an area for them o_O
Haha ... yeah how about we just ban mixes altogether?
Sound's fair, doesnt it?
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mark-ireland
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Posted - 2005/02/11 : 23:23:06
Well if there illegal stop them. That would be stupid in my opinion.
Just call it members work or something.
ps how are new djs ment to gain more experiecne and get feedback if they cant even share a mix with people?
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whispering
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Posted - 2005/02/12 : 08:35:35
quote:
Originally posted by Dave Murray:
Haha ... yeah how about we just ban mixes altogether?
Sound's fair, doesnt it?
I didnt say, nor mean that.
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Originally posted by mark-ireland:
how are new djs ment to gain more experiecne and get feedback if they cant even share a mix with people?
Asking from people what they think about their mixing skills is a good thing. Making CD-R's for promotional purposes and sending them to promoters is a good thing. The latter being the main reason and purpose of mixtapes.
But making a section that basicly says "download free hardcore here", isnt what mixtapes are for IMHO. I know i'm pretty much alone with this one. I think, mixtapes are in the "gray area" and they should be allowed, but for the reasons labels allow them. I dont think we should try to exploit how far we can streatch it. Instead go by the way they are allowed in the first place, and making an area for them wouldnt be for this purpose. There are commercially released mixed CD's, witch shouldnt have to compete with mixtapes.
I think making a "demo" section for producers would be a better thing, but for mixtapes -> no. But this is just my opinion, feel free to disagree with me :)
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Posted - 2005/02/12 : 09:24:47
Thanks for the suggestion but I couldn't do that... Artists and labels have emailed me in the past asking me to remove mixes because of the tracklist... hence that is why we remove tracklists for mixes... it's grey area...
I know for example Sharkey for one has publicly posted on this site that no one is to put any of his tracks into any mixes without his express permission... Lee UHF also did the same thing...
I don't mean to be a hard ass but what people seem to have forgetten is that a DJ mix is for gettings gigs and showing off your DJ skills and not for giving away free hardcore tunes.... You should give your DJ demo's to event promotors or upload them to a licensed radio station.
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Posted - 2005/02/12 : 10:17:54
On subject of promoters and such can someone answer this.I play a varied set usually starting with happy hardcore and ending in hardcore depending on mood.Sometimes just hardcore.I dont have equipment at moment to make a cd up would a promoter accept a mixtape.Also i stay in glasgow so is there any promoters near here who look for this kind of set.Thanks.
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TypeR
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Posted - 2005/02/23 : 06:31:42
by mixing the tracks into eachother takes it from being an original work into a "cover" version, thats how bands can put cover songs on cd's without permission, as the song is changed in a way that the vocals and such are in a differen't pitch, or speed. wouldn't it be the same for dance music? we mix the tracks together at differen't speeds and put the tracks together in such a way that between the vocals of each song the beats take on a different sound, warping the original into a two minute midsection of a "song". just my opinion though, i could be wrong about the cover version though. respect to the guys that said no to putting their tracks into mixes and putting them on here though. if we were all to read the labels on our records, they say that it is prohibited to reproduce that work or to play live or on a recording without the prior or written consent of the artist. think of how many times that rule has been broken on this website alone with people posting mixes. i know i'm guilty of it, i posted a mix with ten tracks, thats the rule broken ten times.
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whispering
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Posted - 2005/02/23 : 07:00:07
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Originally posted by djritalin:
by mixing the tracks into eachother takes it from being an original work into a "cover" version, thats how bands can put cover songs on cd's without permission
Yes your right, in some cases bands can make cover versions without the permission of the original artist, though all song writing credits goes to the original artist. But if you use even 1 second clip of another track, you will need the copyright holders permission.
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Posted - 2005/02/23 : 07:04:30
so, say i were to use brisks "serious hardcore" all I would have to do is ask permission and have written proof that it was ok and i would be able to use it whenever i wanted or for only that one production?
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Posted - 2005/02/23 : 08:24:16
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Originally posted by djritalin:
so, say i were to use brisks "serious hardcore" all I would have to do is ask permission and have written proof that it was ok and i would be able to use it whenever i wanted or for only that one production?
Yea, if Brisk gives you permission to use "Serious Hardcore" whenever and however you want, then you can use it however and whenever you want. Though nobody would give that type of permission :p If you make a "cover" that uses clips from the original track, it would be more like a remix, then a cover. So if you really would want to do a cover of "Serious Hardcore" using clips from the original track, I think it would be bettter to ask Brisk permission to remix the track. You wouldnt make any money of the track, even if it would be released. But you would gain some reputation if its a good remix :)
But e.g. sampling is something that is not "legal", but so far its been "allowed", i think? I do remember some talk about that going to change though.
Also, im not really an expert on this area, so i might be wrong :p
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Posted - 2005/02/23 : 09:27:57
A cover is when you re-record the song using a different vocalist, and you actually play in all the instrumental bits and beats etc. As soon as you use a recording that somebody else has made you are into the sampling/remix territory.
From my understanding of it, you can pretty much cover (ie re-record) any song that is by a writer registered with the PRS (in the UK - not sure on the deal with international organisations) providing you notify the PRS when it is proposed to be released.
If a song is written by an artist who is not registered with the PRS then I believe you need permission off the artist/copyright holder.
If you want to sample then it becomes more complicated, and you need premission off shedloads of people depending what copyrights exist. First you still need permission off the songwriter, also the mechanical copyright holder (usually the label, unless the artist has retained this copyright). Also, sometimes there are other copyrights at play such as performance copyrights etc.
Something to bear in mind with hardcore though if you want to sample/cover a hardcore tune is that often the tunes themselves are errrrrrrrmmm.... "covers" LOL, so who you think owns the copyright often doesn't lol
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