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DJDURSTAN
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 Posted - 2005/11/30 : 14:06:31
Every music scene needs new labels otherwise the music would stagnate and new artists would rarely get a chance to put there tunes out which would be a shame. Think about it once upon a time not so long ago Raver Baby was a new label and look at it now!!!!
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billybigballs2005
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Posted - 2005/11/30 : 14:42:54
Yes... look at raver baby now indeed.
An example of how NOT to run a record label for any aspiring future vinyl outlet owners!
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DJDURSTAN
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Posted - 2005/11/30 : 14:50:16
Hows that?
They started with very little created a new sound and transformed the hardcore scene into the powerhouse it is today. Ok there is a definate chart element to some of the newere releases but that is inevitable as a scene grows. Raver Baby deserve the respect they have built up with quality releases and hard work.
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NathanD
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Posted - 2005/11/30 : 15:17:21
How can more labels ever be a bad thing? 
You not bored of hearing the same tunes, by the same artists and labels? [@:o]
So when my digital label get's going in 2006 does this mean I'm making things worse for people? 
I hope not and tough s**t if I am... EVERYONE DESERVES A CHANCE! 
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billybigballs2005
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Posted - 2005/11/30 : 15:24:37
I respect your oppinion but personally think the exact opposite :
(1) Their success is more based on the hype they have succesfully genrerated rather then actual substance they have delivered.
They have achieved this from affiliation with certain DJ's, who in turn are the top players on the comercial rave circuit.. when people hear "RBC" they think raver baby, therefore many newbie ravers instantly attribute 99% of what theese DJ's play to being RB sourced or produced.
Compare their back catalouge with anything on nu energy (for example) over the last 3 years and co-relate the good points (in terms of actual music creativity, originality, pushing hardcore forward) and they come sloppy seconds in every category.
If anything raverbaby has only pioneered the art of being a good copy-cat after analysing the success of some evoloution releases, and then takiong that baton and going on to pionneer a fnew found ormulatic approach to tune creation which in my books is always bad for any music style.
(2) Even as a label their hopelessly bad at even RELEASING tracks. Look at the space between their vinyls. Its a joke! Hence going back to the hype element... they may only have 2 release's a year but the hype is always consist.. meaning its a bit of a paper tiger label, rather then a true deliver.
(3) Dancing MAJORILY on the pop razor. Hixxy owns AATW and whore's RB releases into eurodance. Reason enough not to take the label seriously.
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2005/11/30 : 15:42:15
quote:
Originally posted by billybigballs2005:
Hixxy owns AATW
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If you look at any label they all have there own sound, its not just Raver Baby you know. A lot of people like the Raver Baby sound this is why it has become a popular label and this is also why they stick to this style.
Maybe they dont create the most ground breaking tracks out there and respect to the people who are out there doing that but in the end... their happy with their music & people enjoy there tracks & isn't that what music is about?
In regards to their late releases, I believe it's due to cash flow problems bought on by the clapse of Alphamagic.
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DarrenJ
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Posted - 2005/11/30 : 15:53:08
Running a hardcore label is like having a high school rock band
instead of having kids from ur local high school buy ur cd, u have people from websites buy ur downloads/vinyls
sure this bring challenges but no reason why people cant try
after all it only takes a anthem for your outreach to become bigger
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billybigballs2005
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Posted - 2005/11/30 : 16:00:34
Once again, dont get offended by any of my replys bub.
Dont take it personal but..
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If you look at any label they all have there own sound, its not just Raver Baby you know. A lot of people like the Raver Baby sound this is why it has become a popular label and this is also why they stick to this style.
In other words, they release the same type of tracks over and over to make money.
Yes.
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Maybe they dont create the most ground breaking tracks out there and respect to the people who are out there doing that but in the end... their happy with their music & people enjoy there tracks & isn't that what music is about?
For me - no.
I dont watch Westlife on top of the tops and think "sure at least those kids are enjoying the music, therefore I'll ignore the fact that its kack because at least its bringing happyness to someone"
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In regards to their late releases, I believe it's due to cash flow problems bought on by the clapse of Alphamagic.
You must be crazy :) The words Raver baby and cash flow problems seem so alien when put together in the same sentence.
Hixxys raking it in more then anyone else on the circuit.. generating cash on at least 6 simultaneous fronts (DJ'ing, RB sales, RB licenceing, AATW, events, compilation mix comissions)
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DJ Pathfinder
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Posted - 2005/11/30 : 16:38:44
it can be an bad thing if there are to many labels.
but only when they produce shite and that it is becoming the standart or scaring the buyers of vinyl away.
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2005/11/30 : 16:43:25
Not even Hixxy makes as much as people like to believe and anything he makes Djing goes to him as an individual not to Raver Baby, it's unlikely he put any of it into the record company. Most of the AATW releases are Breeze n Styles not hixxy and I very much doubt the company "Raver Baby" sees a penny of this and why should it? Do you pay money into the company you work for? If Raver Baby have loads or money, make loads of money on their releases and are hungry for more money why would they delay there releases? Surely if this was the case they would be knocking them out left right and centre to get even more money?
Regardless of your views, music is there to be enjoyed thats the bottom line and even if a record label did make some money giving people music they enjoy why is that a problem?
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billybigballs2005
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Posted - 2005/11/30 : 16:58:44
but hixxy owns raver baby sonny boy.
Its his project, its not some faceless corporation he works for!
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Regardless of your views, music is there to be enjoyed thats the bottom line and even if a record label did make some money giving people music they enjoy why is that a problem?
Because good music is good music, and bad music is bad music.
Yes I know music may be "subjective", but once you listen to it enough, once you get to know it well enough you develop a better appreciation for things because you can compare and contrast many many diffrent artists, styles, production techniques, labels, sub genres,etc.
The problem I have (ok, not just singaling out raverbaby here, talking about generic UK hardcore that is churned out on any label) is that when I hear something like the aformentioned:
It make's me cringe the same was as (a little metaphorical situation here) a anorak hip hop purist might cringe when they see 50cent or the black eyed pea's winning awards for outstanding contributions to rap and hear people talk about them as "the best hip hop artists of all time".
The vomit-enducing Eamonn's and Lil Bow Wow's of their world, are the breeze+style's of my world.
Not asking you to agree, just explaining my outlook on things.
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Evel
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Posted - 2005/11/30 : 17:33:05
[quote]Originally posted by billybigballs2005:
I respect your oppinion but personally think the exact opposite :
(1) Their success is more based on the hype they have succesfully genrerated rather then actual substance they have delivered.
They have achieved this from affiliation with certain DJ's, who in turn are the top players on the comercial rave circuit..
Raver baby is only a small bit of Hardcore, and Hixxy's tunes on Essential Platinum are far less 'eurodance' than Raver baby's. They might have some 'fans' but a lot of people just confuse them with club music or 'softcore' as the likes of myself call it.
All raver baby have done is merge hardcore and hard dance together
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billybigballs2005
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Posted - 2005/11/30 : 17:56:12
Thats not true be a long shot:
They have not merged hard dance and hardcore together..
They have merged scouse-house and hardcore together.
If your looking for someone who *has* merged hard dance and hardcore together, check out the Nu energy collective.
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DJDURSTAN
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Posted - 2005/11/30 : 18:04:19
Ummmmm Correct me if i'm wrong here but AATW has been going for many years now in fact i have AATW records from around 96 by the Porn Kings and DJ Supreme so i don't believe Hixxy owns it (unless he bought them out)
And raver baby really have pioneered the sound. I hear what you are saying about Nu Energy but they too stick to a similar sound all the time and at the end of the day Both Nu Energy and Raver Baby have helped out a lot of the "Big Name" DJ's who otherwise may have dissapeered when hardcore was flagging back in the early 00's, it was only really with the birth of Raver Baby and the progression of Evolution records both creating newer sounds that saved the scene and made it what it is today.
You haven't caused offence but i can't understand why people can't give Hixxy and Ufo (who started raver baby together) the respect they deserve.
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2005/11/30 : 18:35:56
quote:
Originally posted by billybigballs2005:
but hixxy owns raver baby sonny boy.
Its his project, its not some faceless corporation he works for!
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Regardless of your views, music is there to be enjoyed thats the bottom line and even if a record label did make some money giving people music they enjoy why is that a problem?
Because good music is good music, and bad music is bad music.
Yes I know music may be "subjective", but once you listen to it enough, once you get to know it well enough you develop a better appreciation for things because you can compare and contrast many many diffrent artists, styles, production techniques, labels, sub genres,etc.
The problem I have (ok, not just singaling out raverbaby here, talking about generic UK hardcore that is churned out on any label) is that when I hear something like the aformentioned:
It make's me cringe the same was as (a little metaphorical situation here) a anorak hip hop purist might cringe when they see 50cent or the black eyed pea's winning awards for outstanding contributions to rap and hear people talk about them as "the best hip hop artists of all time".
The vomit-enducing Eamonn's and Lil Bow Wow's of their world, are the breeze+style's of my world.
Not asking you to agree, just explaining my outlook on things.
It may be "his project" but it doesn't mean he has to put any money that he gets from other "projects" into it.
You may have been alive 4 more years that me but I can be pretty sure you haven't listened to a hell of a lot more music than me and can be sure I am capable of "comparing many many diffrent artists, styles, production techniques, labels, sub genres,etc".
50 cent and Black Eyed Peas was a bad choice of artist as they have been within their scene for a very small percentage of its existence unlike Hixxy, Breeze and Styles who have been in the hardcore scene for a big part of it's life. All three of them were major players in the happy hardcore era and all three of them are the main pioneers of the Nu skool sound, something of a similar nature could not be said about 50 cent and Black Eyed Peas.
You answered none of my questions regarding money, however... even if RBC have made buckets of money I don't care anyway, more power to them.
Peace.
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