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dagees
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 Posted - 2006/07/09 : 16:17:20
I am a guy from Holland and interested in the Hardcore scene, especially the UK hardcore scene.
Before I ask my questions, I must address some major differences. Music that is labeled Hardcore in the UK, is always labeled as happy hardcore by the dutch. This is because what we define as hardcore is really a lot of harder.
So there is a living scene for what we call hardcore. But happy hardcore *labeled as hardcore by the UK* is death in the Netherlands. The only exception are The Party Animals, but there is absolutely no such thing as a scene or parties that being organized. Sadly.. because I love the musical genre. I am one of the very, very few that know that the happy hardcore music style didn't die around 1997, but evolved and is here to stay... It was around 2003 that I "discovered" about the UK hardcore scene, thanks to Digitally Imported Radio and happyhardcore.com.
I have this idea of writing a simple small webpage about UK Hardcore. And for this reason I'd like to know what tracks or compilations (if any) made it to the UK charts between 1997 and now. I tried to do some searching in the charts, but never seem to be able to search by Genre.
So that's my first question: what tracks made it to the charts between 1997 and now?
Then I would like to know if there is a dress code... You propably know about the strict dutch dresscode between 1995-1997. Ravers / gabbers dressed with Nike Air Max shoes, Australian track suits, and mostly shaved their hair to become bold.
Second question: Is there some kind of outfit for nowadays hardcore ravers in the UK? Images would be appreciated...
Thank you in advance, and post anything else related what I might need to know.
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1up
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Posted - 2006/07/09 : 16:31:07
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Originally posted by dagees:
Then I would like to know if there is a dress code... You propably know about the strict dutch dresscode between 1995-1997. Ravers / gabbers dressed with Nike Air Max shoes, Australian track suits, and mostly shaved their hair to become bold.
tahts one heck of a dress code! LOL
btw. its not all about music making it into the charts. im sure many members here would agree and gladly explain -> i cbf =P
watch out for an essay from sk8sim! =P
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Chris B
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Posted - 2006/07/09 : 16:32:32
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Originally posted by dagees:
I am a guy from Holland and interested in the Hardcore scene, especially the UK hardcore scene.
It boggles my mind that any dutch person would want to take more than a slight interest in uk hardcore, it's so much better where you are.
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Before I ask my questions, I must address some major differences. Music that is labeled Hardcore in the UK, is always labeled as happy hardcore by the dutch. This is because what we define as hardcore is really a lot of harder.
Thats the way i label it, infact the whole world pretty much bar the uk does.
Over here for some reason they call hardcore "gabber", and if you say hardcore people think you mean cheese.
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So that's my first question: what tracks made it to the charts between 1997 and now?
None of the top of my head, if they did it would be a commercial dance mix of the track.
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Second question: Is there some kind of outfit for nowadays hardcore ravers in the UK? Images would be appreciated...
No real dress code mate, at raves get everything from trackies and hats through to people looking like they've flew into a rainbow.
welcome to site mate hope you get what you need
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dagees
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Posted - 2006/07/09 : 16:44:34
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tahts one heck of a dress code! LOL
Seems very unlikely, now does it? Well, here are some examples :D
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whispering
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Posted - 2006/07/09 : 16:44:51
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Originally posted by dagees:
Before I ask my questions, I must address some major differences. Music that is labeled Hardcore in the UK, is always labeled as happy hardcore by the dutch. This is because what we define as hardcore is really a lot of harder.
Their both Hardcore, but naturally both countries use the main genre name on the most popular style in their countrie. Cause always using subgenre names is just too much work :P I usually call them by their countrie names, cause its just easy, and no one can bitch about using wrong genre names, or labeling hardcore under too many names, hehe.
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Originally posted by Chris B:
Over here for some reason they call hardcore "gabber", and if you say hardcore people think you mean cheese.
Usually the mainstream Dutch Hardcore is called Gabber, and its called that pretty much everywhere as far as i know.
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jenks
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Posted - 2006/07/09 : 16:48:29
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Originally posted by dagees:
I have this idea of writing a simple small webpage about UK Hardcore. And for this reason I'd like to know what tracks or compilations (if any) made it to the UK charts between 1997 and now. I tried to do some searching in the charts, but never seem to be able to search by Genre.
I wouldn't bother with the charts, if you want a cross section of the scene in the UK have a look at Bonkers 15... looking up some Luna-C stuff wouldn't be a bad idea either ;)
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Chris B
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Posted - 2006/07/09 : 16:53:36
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Originally posted by whispering:
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Originally posted by Chris B:
Over here for some reason they call hardcore "gabber", and if you say hardcore people think you mean cheese.
Usually the mainstream Dutch Hardcore is called Gabber, and its called that pretty much everywhere as far as i know.
Maybe your right mate i've not been to that many countries ravin to be fair, would you lot call it gabber in finland?
In spain it's just hardcore and happy stuff is either called happy hardcore or makina if it's spanish.
I've seen flyers for events in germany aswell it's just hardcore there, knightmare would no about a few other places as i no he raves in a few places in europe.
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dagees
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Posted - 2006/07/09 : 16:55:21
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Their both Hardcore, but naturally both countries use the main genre name on the most popular style in their countrie. Cause always using subgenre names is just too much work
Yes, it is true that hardcore / happy hardcore are the same genre and happy hardcore is a subgenre from hardcore. But, in holland these 2 musical styles are strictly seperated and both styles are considered as main genres.
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Usually the mainstream Dutch Hardcore is called Gabber
Yes, in the beginning and in other countries. But gabber became a name for a subgenre of hardcore, not for hardcore itself. Gabber is considered hardcore at extreme speeds, around 220 bmp's or so. As a style, gabber isn't so popular anymore. It is all called hardcore today.
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XenatR
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Posted - 2006/07/09 : 16:56:23
UK Hardcore blows my mind!
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Music is like porn, Hardcore is better.
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dagees
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Posted - 2006/07/09 : 16:59:19
Didn't a track called "Heartbeat / you're shining" become a small hit? A forgot the producer(s)... breeze and styles or something?
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whispering
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Posted - 2006/07/09 : 17:00:37
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Originally posted by Chris B:
Maybe your right mate i've not been to that many countries ravin to be fair, would you lot call it gabber in finland?
Yea, at least as far as i know. I aint too much invovled with the finnish scene to be honest. But many dont know much further then the mainstream stuff (what e.g. Scott Brown and Neophyte play). But these are really something knightmare would know better ;)
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Didn't a track called "Heartbeat / you're shining" become a small hit? A forgot the producer(s)... breeze and styles or something?
They made an Eurotrance version of it, so it doesnt really have much to do with UK Hardcore. Though the producers were the same. Music video ->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uH98_nD7BE
As you can hear, even as Eurotrance its really tame :p
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Samination
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Posted - 2006/07/09 : 17:24:30
There's a reason why most "well-tought" people refer to the later brittish ahrdcore as UK Hardcore or Upfront Hardcore :P
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dagees
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Posted - 2006/07/09 : 17:31:48
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They made an Eurotrance version of it
Ah ok, didn't know that. And it's indeed very slow version compared to the hardcore version, thanks for the link.
Well then, no hits, no dresscode (except for some bright colored chicks, right?), that leaves me with little information to write about :)
Don't tracks even make it to pure dance charts? And can somebody explain a little about the "raver feeling"?
How popular is the scene anyway? In percentages? Do ravers mainly stick to visiting hardcore related parties only, or do they attend other parties as well? Maybe there is such a thing as the "casual raver"? How do other non-raving people from the same generation look towards ravers? Are ravers considered somewhat cool, or are they seem as "outcasts"? And is the populairity of the scene growing?
When I look at the scene, I think it is mainly an "underground" movement. Is this correct?
Here in Holland, especially R&B and/or Gangsta Rap is rather popular. Personally, I dislike all the "50-cent" related garbage. Is this the same feeling for UK ravers? And "true" hardcore gabbers are a real subgenre, that stick with eachother, and purely visit hardcore only parties. Mainstream people have a kind of respect for Gabbers, but this is mainly because they are frightened (although that is mainly because they don't know the people and music). Especially old people think that gabbers are into satanism, always use excessive amounts of drugs and such... And because of the dresscode (what evolved to still being bold most of the time, and wearing Londsdale clothing, Army pants and (dr Martens) boots), the gabber subculture is easy to recognize, which is a big difference with the UK scene if I am correct.
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dagees
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Posted - 2006/07/09 : 17:33:51
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There's a reason why most "well-tought" people refer to the later brittish ahrdcore as UK Hardcore or Upfront Hardcore
Please explain? It is propably because I am Dutch that I don't understand :)
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whispering
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Posted - 2006/07/09 : 17:47:50
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Originally posted by dagees:
Well then, no hits, no dresscode (except for some bright colored chicks, right?), that leaves me with little information to write about :)
I have a vague memory that Force & Styles "Heart of Gold" got to charts, or sold gold, cant remember? But many Hardcore compilations have been on the UK compilation charts. In UK still a lot of the releases are vinyl only, so thats a big reason why no singles get to the charts. Plus theres many stupid rules in the charts (the single cant last longer then 20 minutes etc, so maxi singles cant get to the charts for example). Theres only a really small number of CD singles, and even those are often really low budjet releases, i.e. dont have any covers etc.
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jenks
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Posted - 2006/07/09 : 17:53:36
Well thought people don't call UK hardcore 'upfront' because upfront just means new/fresh - the latest tunes, you could use the word 'upfront' to descrive tunes from any music genre...
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