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makingmusic
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 Posted - 2006/08/31 : 16:32:49
are lyrics important in hardcore? some say they aren't and that it's all about the mix, melody etc. i feel sometimes i hear weak lyrics on strong melody that spoil a song. should they both combine as one entity for max effect? is this what sets aside classic tracks from fodder? can anyone tell an excellent songwriter/producer from a excellent producer who's not hot on songwriting? a lot of Q's i know but i'd love feeback 
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Chris B
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Posted - 2006/08/31 : 16:45:35
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i feel sometimes i hear weak lyrics on strong melody that spoil a song.
Definitely i think thats why i say i dont like uk hardcore a lot, well aswell as the same old synths.
Cos there is still tracks that stand out at me as "wow" every now and again normally when the lyrics actually mean something.
I've had to write vocal tracks though before and i have to say finding that killer chorus is a lot easier said than done, infact i think you've either got it or you havent in a lot of ways.
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is this what sets aside classic tracks from fodder?
Think its a big part of it with vocal tracks, obv not as simple as that but if the lyrics are crap and embarrasing you aint gonna want to keep playing it
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Chidda
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Posted - 2006/08/31 : 18:13:04
i'd say lyrics r deffo important. Good example is stefan B, lads got a great voice and writes good lyrics, and sings with real passion.I love the tune "drifting away" love it the way it is kinda like chill out music first, gives u impression u can forget all ur problems almost, dunno mayb im finkin too deep now
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makingmusic
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Posted - 2006/08/31 : 20:19:29
think of how the 80's have been sampled to death! what is it about their songs? you then realise that the lyrics are selfless, innocent and sincere. maybe we connect with them because there's escapism in there. they take you places. that's why i think they get battered by producers from all genres. even kids to young to remember them 1st time around relate. commercial pop/rnb is contiually 'me me me, mine, I.... the 80's are remembered for a reason. i wonder who'll remember the naughties? 
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Chris B
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Posted - 2006/08/31 : 20:26:17
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think of how the 80's have been sampled to death! what is it about their songs?
I think its mainly to do with the cheese factor with 80's and happy hardcore 
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the 80's are remembered for a reason. i wonder who'll remember the naughties?
Every decade brings good music, 60's/70's are a fav of mine (prog rock, northern soul etc) but goin right back through history there always stuff that stands out as immense.
Doesnt really matter when its made so much as who made it.
Modern popular music is pretty shit right enough but cant say im big into the bulk of 80's either, like some of the punk right enough but only odd bits and the new romantic style doesnt appeal much at all.
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makingmusic
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Posted - 2006/08/31 : 21:04:33
i agree with the feedback so far and i definately agree that finding killer 'hooks' is a gift. i think you feel it not learn it. hardcore,house whatever, when you hear a song and get an adrenalin rush, someone got the combination right!! Set You Free by N-Trance is one for me. was there ever a hardcore version?
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Posted - 2006/08/31 : 21:15:46
I like to hear vocals, but i like it when something glitchy/techno-ish is done to them, like "Show Me Your Passion"(Brisk & Vagabond Remix" with the "Happens tomorrow" vocal loop. I like to hear something done with the vocals, not just a plain dry vocal mix. Thats one reason I like DJ Kurt, actually does something with the vocals!!
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Chris B
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Posted - 2006/08/31 : 21:23:15
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Set You Free by N-Trance is one for me. was there ever a hardcore version?
hahahahahahaha about 50 mate
have a look around theres probably one been released not long ago
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Brian K
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Posted - 2006/08/31 : 23:02:05
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Set You Free by N-Trance is one for me. was there ever a hardcore version?
are you taking the piss or what?
I really don't care for lyrics. I've heard a lot of good sounding tunes that have ass lyrics put over the top and it just ruins an entire song. people seem to have this misconception that all 'happy' hardcore has to have lyrics.
people seem to always be aiming for the next shooting star, heart o' gold, or eye opener. electronic music much like classical music doesn't need lyrics to be an excellent song.
the 90s have been sampled plently, did you miss all the hip hop lyrics?
I've only heard a few classic rock remakes, but I think my fav remake has to be of erika eigen - I wanna marry a lighthouse keeper (go watch clockwork orange if you don't know what song I'm talking about)
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makingmusic
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Posted - 2006/08/31 : 23:11:25
as i've said i'm new to hardcore, so excuse my ignorance of what's gone on in it!  what's the exact steps for pasting a message your responding to in you're post? i'm guessing you click on something in the format. please help the gimp!!
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Brian K
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Posted - 2006/09/01 : 01:22:23
when viewing a message someone has posted, there are bunch of icons across the top of the message. the one with that looks like a piece of paper with an arrow pointing at it is called 'reply with quote'
hit that button and it will take the post of that person and put it in your message
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makingmusic
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Posted - 2006/09/01 : 08:03:25
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when viewing a message someone has posted, there are bunch of icons across the top of the message. the one with that looks like a piece of paper with an arrow pointing at it is called 'reply with quote'
hit that button and it will take the post of that person and put it in your message
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makingmusic
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Posted - 2006/09/01 : 08:05:39
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[quote]Originally posted by Brian K:
when viewing a message someone has posted, there are bunch of icons across the top of the message. the one with that looks like a piece of paper with an arrow pointing at it is called 'reply with quote'
hit that button and it will take the post of that person and put it in your message
cheerz!
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Slammer_Jammer_Man
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Posted - 2006/09/02 : 12:24:28
In my opinion lyrics are a very difficult ingredient to add to a song tastefully. Like anything that has a strong effect on what you're making, the way you use it and the amount you use can make or break the finished product. All in all, I prefer not to see too many lyrical songs. I'm a huge fan of Freeform, and the best songs tell a wonderous tale with their complex melodies without ever speaking a single word.
That being said, I do enjoy some lyrical songs, and it's nice to have a classic anthem to sing along to, especially at raves. Most Happy Hardcore lyrics are sickeningly terrible, though, and really ruin the song. Songs like CLSM - Drive Away, Oli G & Jessica - Miasma, Scott Brown Feat. Cat Knight - Flow, Insight - Do We Have To Say Goodbye etc. have got just the right mix of music and vocals, and they've got brilliant vocalists with just the right voice for the track.
It's my sincerest hope that DJs stop thinking that throwing any old lyrics sung with a positive tune and lovey theme, sung by any vocalist over the top of a sub-standard track will somehow transform it into a song to last the ages.
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makingmusic
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Posted - 2006/09/02 : 15:22:27
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Originally posted by Slammer_Jammer_Man:
In my opinion lyrics are a very difficult ingredient to add to a song tastefully. Like anything that has a strong effect on what you're making, the way you use it and the amount you use can make or break the finished product. All in all, I prefer not to see too many lyrical songs. I'm a huge fan of Freeform, and the best songs tell a wonderous tale with their complex melodies without ever speaking a single word.
That being said, I do enjoy some lyrical songs, and it's nice to have a classic anthem to sing along to, especially at raves. Most Happy Hardcore lyrics are sickeningly terrible, though, and really ruin the song. Songs like CLSM - Drive Away, Oli G & Jessica - Miasma, Scott Brown Feat. Cat Knight - Flow, Insight - Do We Have To Say Goodbye etc. have got just the right mix of music and vocals, and they've got brilliant vocalists with just the right voice for the track.
It's my sincerest hope that DJs stop thinking that throwing any old lyrics sung with a positive tune and lovey theme, sung by any vocalist over the top of a sub-standard track will somehow transform it into a song to last the ages.
your post backs up my theory that there is a definate relationship between words and melody regarding balance. there's a 'formula' only the gifted few know
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Posted - 2006/09/02 : 22:34:57
UFO is the best at this :p
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