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SixFeet
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 Posted - 2007/01/10 : 17:22:49
Aboriton isn't killing someone, they're a bunch of cells incapable of thinking, feeling and able to do anything.
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jenks
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 19:13:52
I'm personally against abortion unless there's a really good reason, but not to the point that I try and tell other people it's wrong. Infact if I had the power to ban it I don't think I would, people have a choice and that's the way it should be imo.
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 20:39:00
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Originally posted by jenks:
I'm personally against abortion unless there's a really good reason, but not to the point that I try and tell other people it's wrong. Infact if I had the power to ban it I don't think I would, people have a choice and that's the way it should be imo.
Think you said it all there! I certainly would rather people have somewhere they can go thats legal, clean and safe! Lets put it this way, if any of you had a daughter that had been in this position, (whether wrongly or right, you know what i'm saying, i just don't want to tempt fate as they say) then you'll know that you would rather her be able to go to a clinic, get the appropriate help, and still be able to come back home alive and well, although, upset!
Its a well known fact that people STILL go to bogus backstreet doctors that can do so much more harm than good! At least if they go to established clinics, they get the option of councilling as well as the option to tell parents with the aid of a mediator, so therefore having ongoing support when the dreadful thing is over.
I personally feel sorry for anyone that has had to go through this terrible ordeal, but i'm more or less sure there are only a select few that do it without lots of soul searching!
So, it isn't a point of whether its right or wrong, its whether its safe or not in my view, and at least those that have it done in respectful places, still have a choice to have a family in the future!
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Em Jay
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 20:39:49
I think its funny how somebody who is quite evidently anti abortion has written a few paragraphs and thought up how they can try and compare it to something which holds very little relevance!
break it down and it is logical, but not real!
ie. Abortion in the masses = apparently alot of deaths.
Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin killed alot of people
Hitler and Stalin are individuals. A nation is not!
Its just stupid! And it reminds me of a chain e-mail.
But nah, I don't consider abortion death. Its a very nice thing for a girl to have in this day and age. Reassuring to know that if that **** I had made some spermys enter my lady bits, I didnt have to squeeze some whingey high maintenance little shit bag out of my minge.
makes me chuckle to wonder, where are these extremists going to go next?
"ooooh, You shouldnt use a condom, how would you like to be creamed and crammed into a latex or polyurethane sock and dumped? Think of all the
millions of potential children you have just thrown in the bin. And ill treated along their little journey" now that WOULD be pathetic.
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Em Jay
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 20:42:11
I see what si is saying, and I really like how dee licious put it all. nicey nice :)
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JesterDJ
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 23:12:15
I think whoever stated that people having abortions are likened to stalin and hitler is an idiot.
Hitler wanted a breed of people as he liked. He killed off who he didn't like. (essentially - lets not get into the ins and outs of that)
My point is basically this; people don't get pregnant so they can then go out to a clinic and kill them.
Using contraception is a preventative measure so as to avoid as best they can the worry of having to face abortion. and to say that that is killing is also ridiculous, you may as well say that every time a man goes to a left handed website, he is potentially killing a million lives in a tissue.
There are chances at having a baby that people try and take, and there are events that are not deliberate but lead to pregnancy.
There are loads of things to consider in every point made in that thing put up.
Take for example disability. I know for a fact (i have have even said this to close friends of mine), if i were to (God forbid) have a car crash or some accident and i were mentally disabled as a result i would WANT them to kill me.
Now i'm very sorry if this statement for any reason may have offended any of you, but this is truly my view. I'm not saying AT ALL that to abort a child that is predicted to be disabled in some way is moral, in fact quite the contrary, it should be that childs choice, HOWEVER we are all faced with circumstances in life which pit morality against strength and personal circumstance and morality will not always win. its not possible.
You can't say that a 14 year old getting pregnant and having an abortion is any more or less moral than a 30 year old doing the same thing, because at the end of the day abortion is abortion, and it is never a nice thing to have to go through. Of course i'm not talking about being responsible or anything here solely morality.
I am pro abortion because i believe that it is in so many cases unfair to bring a child into a world when it is not going to be given even so much as a fighting chance.
I say this as there was once a girl i knew. She was with her boyfriend for barely a couple of months, she was so excited and i was horrified because all that went through my head was "are these two going to split up a few months down the line? and if they do will they stay in touch? will the child be given everything it needs? will it recieve all the love and attention that every child deserves from a parent?"
When it comes down to it, for me, abortion isn't about the parent but the child's welfare.
If the child is going to be well looked after, have a roof above its head, be in a loving family, be in a family that can support it financially as well as emotionally then thats when a child should be kept.
If these things do not apply and it ends up in a family like the ones i see coming into my wetherspoons pub then i'd rather it was aborted because these are the 19 year old single mothers of 2-3 children to different fathers and isn't with a partner, brings the children in with another young mother in the same situation, and they sit in the family area all day drinking away they're "family benefits" money bottle after bottle of wine telling letting their kids run around the pub screaming and shouting and not paying them any attention then going mad at them when i have seen them run outside and I'VE had to go and get them and bring them back.
These people that smoke around their children make them sit for hours on end watching them get pissed on cheap wine then not even be able to walk out of the pub with their prams as crutches to help them walk?
I'm sorry, i'd rather the kids have never been born than be brought into selfish, irresponsible uncaring families.
Don't tell me about murdering kids when with all these statistics you don't know the reasons why people have had these abortions.
its not a good idea.
Sorry about the rant but this is something i feel strongly about. I know one day i'm gonna wanna have kids but until that day comes i'm going to take every precaution i can to avoid getting into such a situation regardless of the fact i want to lead more of my own life first, but more because i know i won't be able to properly support it and thats not fair on the child.
If you've read all of that, kudos for not falling asleep. if you have anything to say about anything i've said, please do. 
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 23:38:46
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Every time i see you post Kathryn i think its Mortis cozza your avatar...
Me too...
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Posted - 2007/01/11 : 02:59:26
This has certainly stirred a few of you up. Just wanted to challenge some of you peoples ideas, nothing wrong with that :) Peace
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Cyborgasm
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Posted - 2007/01/11 : 04:45:06
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Originally posted by JesterDJ:
I think whoever stated that people having abortions are likened to stalin and hitler is an idiot.
Hitler wanted a breed of people as he liked. He killed off who he didn't like. (essentially - lets not get into the ins and outs of that)
My point is basically this; people don't get pregnant so they can then go out to a clinic and kill them.
Using contraception is a preventative measure so as to avoid as best they can the worry of having to face abortion. and to say that that is killing is also ridiculous, you may as well say that every time a man goes to a left handed website, he is potentially killing a million lives in a tissue.
There are chances at having a baby that people try and take, and there are events that are not deliberate but lead to pregnancy.
There are loads of things to consider in every point made in that thing put up.
Take for example disability. I know for a fact (i have have even said this to close friends of mine), if i were to (God forbid) have a car crash or some accident and i were mentally disabled as a result i would WANT them to kill me.
Now i'm very sorry if this statement for any reason may have offended any of you, but this is truly my view. I'm not saying AT ALL that to abort a child that is predicted to be disabled in some way is moral, in fact quite the contrary, it should be that childs choice, HOWEVER we are all faced with circumstances in life which pit morality against strength and personal circumstance and morality will not always win. its not possible.
You can't say that a 14 year old getting pregnant and having an abortion is any more or less moral than a 30 year old doing the same thing, because at the end of the day abortion is abortion, and it is never a nice thing to have to go through. Of course i'm not talking about being responsible or anything here solely morality.
I am pro abortion because i believe that it is in so many cases unfair to bring a child into a world when it is not going to be given even so much as a fighting chance.
I say this as there was once a girl i knew. She was with her boyfriend for barely a couple of months, she was so excited and i was horrified because all that went through my head was "are these two going to split up a few months down the line? and if they do will they stay in touch? will the child be given everything it needs? will it recieve all the love and attention that every child deserves from a parent?"
When it comes down to it, for me, abortion isn't about the parent but the child's welfare.
If the child is going to be well looked after, have a roof above its head, be in a loving family, be in a family that can support it financially as well as emotionally then thats when a child should be kept.
If these things do not apply and it ends up in a family like the ones i see coming into my wetherspoons pub then i'd rather it was aborted because these are the 19 year old single mothers of 2-3 children to different fathers and isn't with a partner, brings the children in with another young mother in the same situation, and they sit in the family area all day drinking away they're "family benefits" money bottle after bottle of wine telling letting their kids run around the pub screaming and shouting and not paying them any attention then going mad at them when i have seen them run outside and I'VE had to go and get them and bring them back.
These people that smoke around their children make them sit for hours on end watching them get pissed on cheap wine then not even be able to walk out of the pub with their prams as crutches to help them walk?
I'm sorry, i'd rather the kids have never been born than be brought into selfish, irresponsible uncaring families.
Don't tell me about murdering kids when with all these statistics you don't know the reasons why people have had these abortions.
its not a good idea.
Sorry about the rant but this is something i feel strongly about. I know one day i'm gonna wanna have kids but until that day comes i'm going to take every precaution i can to avoid getting into such a situation regardless of the fact i want to lead more of my own life first, but more because i know i won't be able to properly support it and thats not fair on the child.
If you've read all of that, kudos for not falling asleep. if you have anything to say about anything i've said, please do.
i was gona responde but you pretty much summed up my thoughts/feeling there mate 
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Posted - 2007/01/11 : 08:43:45
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95 to 97% reliable last time I checked when you take those with the maximum hormone mix....
yeh i though it was lyk somthing that high just couldn't remember
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Posted - 2007/01/11 : 19:51:55
i just thought that it was my decision to have it done because i am not ready to have any children, and i used contraception all the
time, but obviously the dosage want right for my body. i can tell you that no one knows what i went through both times and i would
never wish that apon any girl or women. i missed work for 3-4 weeks because i was sick as a dog, which meant i got behind on
rent and bills, i couldnt move much and if i did i would vomite, and there is the fact that i was just so emotional and at both
stages with my current bf and my violent ex, they couldnt understand why i was upset or angrey all the time, and it caused alot of
arguments. i disn't want to dissapoint my family the second time it happened because i thought they would be ashamed of me,
so i had no one to talk to and i was really loney and was more depressed then i already was.
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Posted - 2007/01/12 : 11:01:02
Was there no support groups out there?
Sorry to hear that i know how you feel!
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Posted - 2007/01/12 : 13:13:41
most people have summed up what i think.... im for abortion clinics. while i dont believe that ppl should have a careless attitude to contraception just because abortion is available... if you do not think you could bring a child into the world without the love/support/guidance it truly deserves and you really feel that abortion is the answer, you shouldnt be persecuted for it.
throwing abortion clinics in the "murderous evil thugs" mix is just stupid... so are people who decide on having an abortion murderous evil thugs too??? im sure deciding to abort would be quite difficult and emotional for the majority of women/parents who decide to have one but is it really necessary to label them murderers also? some may feel the need to go to this extent... everyone has a right to their own opinion and the debate on whether or not abortion is moral or immoral will always exist. in the end i believe it should be up to the individual/parents and luckily it can be done in a clean and safe environment....
now.... whats everyones take on stem cell research then??? :P
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Posted - 2007/01/12 : 14:38:34
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Originally posted by reenz:
most people have summed up what i think.... im for abortion clinics. while i dont believe that ppl should have a careless attitude to contraception just because abortion is available... if you do not think you could bring a child into the world without the love/support/guidance it truly deserves and you really feel that abortion is the answer, you shouldnt be persecuted for it.
throwing abortion clinics in the "murderous evil thugs" mix is just stupid... so are people who decide on having an abortion murderous evil thugs too??? im sure deciding to abort would be quite difficult and emotional for the majority of women/parents who decide to have one but is it really necessary to label them murderers also? some may feel the need to go to this extent... everyone has a right to their own opinion and the debate on whether or not abortion is moral or immoral will always exist. in the end i believe it should be up to the individual/parents and luckily it can be done in a clean and safe environment....
now.... whats everyones take on stem cell research then??? :P
If it helps others then why not?
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Posted - 2007/01/12 : 22:46:38
It's good to see so many reasonable and mature attitudes towards the supposed 'sin' of abortion and,
Jester, I enjoyed reading your rant.... I didn't even yawn, and I totally agree but,
and maybe it's just me, but
nobody has mentioned or questioned, at what point does a baby,
ie; a new Human Being, receive a Soul?
....for what it's worth, I reckon it's very close to when it's born....
so, any earlier and you're killing nothing.
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