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DJ E-Rok
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 Posted - 2007/01/10 : 07:49:58
Heres something I found, very eye opening and theres no denying it.
THE DARK SIDE OF ABORTION
Most thinking people have accurately labeled Hitler and Stalin as murderous evil thugs. Unfortunately the thinking population has been slow to throw THE ABORTION INDUSTRY in with the batch. It is responsible for the deaths of countless millions. Hitler we can blame for 6-7 million deaths, Stalin 3-4 million but Abortion Inc. blows them all out of the water. In America alone there are 1.2 million surgical abortions each year. That isn't even including the countless more abortions caused by the pill and other so-called contraceptives.
And a committed abortion advocate issued perhaps the most effective argument for the pro-life side. A member of the British Medical Association's ethics committee laid bare the real truth about abortion and its ultimate end when he said it should be OK to kill babies after they are born if they have "defects." John Harris, who has authored 15 books on the ethics of genetics, is certainly an authority on human life and when it begins. And on that question he oddly offers further evidence the pro-life side is right.
Harris endorsed infanticide in cases where the baby has a genetic disorder that went undetected during the pregnancy. This is a chilling statement, which should frighten anyone who cares anything about the value of human life. But Harris has much more to opine about the ethics of killing "defective" babies in and out of the womb. Harris also suggested there is no difference between aborting an unborn baby and killing it once it is born. It is not plausible to think that there is any moral change that occurs during the journey down the birth canal." This is the same argument pro-lifers use on a daily basis while debating pro-choice advocates. The baby is not magically transformed from a blob of tissue into a baby during birth. Rather every bit of medical evidence as well as common sense shows us each human life begins at conception.
Harris continued to expose the lies of abortion supporters with these comments. People who think there is a difference between infanticide and late-term abortion have to ask the question: What has happened to the fetus in the time it takes to pass down the birth canal and into the world which changes its moral status? I don't think anything has happened in that time." Professor Harris is quite right here. What he has said is abortion and infanticide is the same thing. Both start with living babies and end with dead babies. Of course Harris, while he is brutally honest about just how depraved the pro-abortion side is, is also as depraved as they are. Remember he is issuing these statements in support of killing undesirable infants.
Harris continues to paint a very clear image of the truth of abortion. There is a very widespread and accepted practice of infanticide in most countries. We ought to be much more upfront about the ethics of all this and ask ourselves the serious question: What do we really think the difference is between newborns and fetuses? There is no obvious reason why one should think differently, from an ethical point of view, about a fetus when it is outside the womb rather than when it is inside the womb. Again if every self-proclaimed pro-choice advocate honestly answered these questions abortion would have almost no support anywhere in the civilized world.
The comments made by Harris are terrifying and sobering. His statements expose the very dark and very real nature of abortion and where it will lead us if we allow it too. As Harris says there is no difference between a born and unborn fetus, it is a living human being. Supporters of abortion have been living in denial for decades now trying to deny this truth. They are not supporting choice, or freedom, or women. They are simply supporting selective killing. And if we can as a society, legally kill unborn children, what will prevent us from killing off any group that comes to be considered "defective"? The words Harris spoke might make you sick but take them to heart because he speaks a truth we must hear, or we will allow vermin like him devalue life to a point where being labeled "defective" is a death sentence for anyone unfortunate enough to be tagged with it.
Malthus was a demographer who lived during the late 1700's. He predicted that the world would one day overpopulate itself and vast starvation would occur because of this. Western Governments, communists, and the hidden "elite" jumped on the bandwagon and began warning of this pending population explosion. This is one of the false arguments used to justify the worldwide abortion industry to this very day. One fact you can check out for yourself is that the world could support 600 billion. If everyone in the world was put into the state of Texas and divided into families of five each family would have a 6500 square foot home. And finally only half the land in the world suitable for agricultural use is currently being used. Most of the wars, poverty, and starvation you see on T.V. are not because of excessive population. It's related to one religious or ethnic group hating one another, the ignorance of the people, and the corruption, manipulation and wickedness of their "leaders".
This is the dark truth of the plan behind abortion. Whether a "pro-life" conservative, or a "liberal" Democrat gets elected makes no difference. Abortions continue because there is a hidden motive behind it. At it's root, it is pure evil. It seeks out the most defenseless among us, and mercilessly kills them. If you wonder why America is now experiencing more chaos, and seeing disasters like September 11, 2001, where before we were somewhat protected, look no further than the decline of America's values. And the mass genocide of abortion is a perfect example of that. And unless American's change the road they're on, the chaos will grow, and we will have an even greater price to pay.
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Brian K
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 07:58:39
not really for abortion (especially people who use it as a form of birth control), but I feel it should be available. what if the person got rapped, or has an ectopic pregnancy or difficulties in the pregnancy that could lead to injury/and or death to the mother/child.
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DJ E-Rok
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 08:19:46
If only the world was perfect we would have all the answers :(
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 08:22:48
haha tis bollocks mate!
If a fetus was killed! then you could always make another! (hear me out!)
Cuse if its the same sperm and cell (Mother & Father) then all your making is a Cell or (if you like) a HOST!!!!! in which the "genes" will be inserted!!
The "genes" are YOU!!! its what makes you as a person!
Well with EVERY BABY that comes from the same mother and father! the genes ARE STILL and ALWAYS WILL be THE SAME!... correct?
Therefore... apart from slightly diffirent pysical features!
Your the same as say... the 12 dead fetus your rents had before you!
The only thing that changes you and makes you a person is...
LIFE ITSELF!!!
^^^^ want proof of that ^^^ take a look at your brothers and/or sisters 
Not alot of differance is there... just you've both had different expirances in life (Friends? Soical life, Hobbys, Music Taste ect ect!) thats made them become 2 different people! And these choices were made becuse of FATE! i.e. you couldn'#t make the same choices as your sib as your both living differnet times... so the same chain reactions that made you like something (music for example)... couldn't of happened to the other sib in the same cercomstances!!
but THE GENES!!! ARE THE SAME!!!
(aprart from little tiny diffrences that ent really worth worrying about!!)
Point: All a fetus is, is a host! - nothing to worry about, people just bitch and moan cuse they don't know the facts!
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 08:51:51
TBH abortion doesn't bother me in the slightest.
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clarke101
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 09:11:09
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Originally posted by Sk8SiM:
Snip.
The genes are not the same as far as i am aware. If the genes were always the same then you wouldnt get hereditary disease being passed on to some children and not others.
While i do agree that abortion should be avaliable i can understand why some people find it offensive.
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 Posted - 2007/01/10 : 09:44:25
yeah well i feel pregnet twice on the pill thankyou and i am way to young to be having a baby, for starters i dont like kids and
then there is the fact that i dont have any money and well in debt and then the fact that i cant even look after myself. and i fell
pregnet to an F**** A-hole who was agreesive and violent. when i had the abortion he threw me down a set of stairs and i had
complications after that. so why on earth would i keep something that belonged to him, when it could turn out to be a prick
like him?
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 09:58:52
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Originally posted by iluvhrdcor:
yeah well i feel pregnet twice on the pill thankyou and i am way to young to be having a baby, for starters i dont like kids and
then there is the fact that i dont have any money and well in debt and then the fact that i cant even look after myself. and i fell
pregnet to an F**** A-hole who was agreesive and violent. when i had the abortion he threw me down a set of stairs and i had
complications after that. so why on earth would i keep something that belonged to him, when it could turn out to be a prick
like him?
it could of bn nice lyk you 
shit i thought that the pill was lyk 90% chance that you won't fall pregnante or sumting lyk dat
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 10:15:52
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Originally posted by iluvhrdcor:
yeah well i feel pregnet twice on the pill thankyou and i am way to young to be having a baby, for starters i dont like kids and
then there is the fact that i dont have any money and well in debt and then the fact that i cant even look after myself. and i fell
pregnet to an F**** A-hole who was agreesive and violent. when i had the abortion he threw me down a set of stairs and i had
complications after that. so why on earth would i keep something that belonged to him, when it could turn out to be a prick
like him?
Although i agree with your desicion to have an abortion i doubt the baby would of been a prick like him. They grow the way you teach them!
Brian k! Thats a good point that if the woman has been raped then she shouldnt have to carry on with the pregnancy. Hows that a sin to some people.
Charlie 4 u! The pill isnt always effective!
Pol Pot did a lot of etnic cleansing and killings thankgod hes dead!
And he had a happy upbringing apparently!
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 10:53:05
Every time i see you post Kathryn i think its Mortis cozza your avatar... i get to the end of your message, read the sig - "i love you Stu", think "What a big headed bastard"... and then realise i've been a fool.
Anyway, isn't the whole point of this that taking a human life is wrong? Who cares if its the same genes, who cares if you're too young to have a kid or just don't want them. There are some people in this world that i don't like yet i aint going to kill them - that's just wrong. This article is trying to tell you that killing a fetus is the same as killing anyone else.
I don't agree, i think it should be the parents choice, but i'm just sayin 
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 10:56:42
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Originally posted by _BoNe_:
Every time i see you post Kathryn i think its Mortis cozza you're avatar... i get to the end of your message, read the sig - "i love you Stu", think "What a big headed bastard"... and then realise i've been a fool.
Anyway, isn't the whole point of this that taking a human life is wrong? Who cares if its the same genes, who cares if you're too young to have a kid or just don't want them. There are some people in this world that i don't like yet i aint going to kill them - that's just wrong. This article is trying to tell you that killing a fetus is the same as killing anyone else.
I don't agree, i think it should be the parents choice, but i'm just sayin
lol! Bone! regarding pic!
Anyways I still think that if you have been raped then why carry on with the pregnancy?
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 11:25:32
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Every time i see you post Kathryn i think its Mortis cozza your avatar...
Me too...
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 11:32:07
bollocks. Hitler and stalin killed thousands upon thousans of living people, innocent people. Abortion is in a completely different context, and i think it is insulting to the people who died at the hands of these dictators regimes to suggest that "abortion inc" is more evil.
IMHO if the baby is yet to pop out of the mothers womb then its in her body and its her choice whether she wants it there or not. At the end of the day, we know what happens when a publically desired service (be it drugs, alocohol, or in this case, abortion) is criminilized - It is moved onto the black market, and if abortion is made illegal, women will continue to have abortions, just at a greater risk to their health.
And im sorry, but you've just copy and pasted this article without any input of your own. Its crazy right wing ********, designed to guilt trip people out of making their own desicions and instead to blindly follow everything their so called "morally superior" leaders say. just look at the last sentance FFS!!:
"If you wonder why America is now experiencing more chaos, and seeing disasters like September 11, 2001, where before we were somewhat protected, look no further than the decline of America's values. And the mass genocide of abortion is a perfect example of that. And unless American's change the road they're on, the chaos will grow, and we will have an even greater price to pay.
The mass genocide of abortion?? abortion causing september the 11th? An even greater price to pay? what, is the rapture coming mate? Im shocked that anyone on this website could remotely agree with this article, the author, and the fruitcake who posted it.
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 12:27:15
It doesnt say abortion caused 9/11. It says a decline in American values caused 9/11.
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 13:22:57
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Originally posted by iluvhrdcor:
yeah well i feel pregnet twice on the pill thankyou and i am way to young to be having a baby, for starters i dont like kids and
then there is the fact that i dont have any money and well in debt and then the fact that i cant even look after myself. and i fell
pregnet to an F**** A-hole who was agreesive and violent. when i had the abortion he threw me down a set of stairs and i had
complications after that. so why on earth would i keep something that belonged to him, when it could turn out to be a prick
like him?
it could of bn nice lyk you
shit i thought that the pill was lyk 90% chance that you won't fall pregnante or sumting lyk dat
95 to 97% reliable last time I checked when you take those with the maximum hormone mix.
Personally I'm not against abortion (as long as it isn't used instead of the pill, condoms, etc.). Abortion laws restrict the term in which it can be done to the term in which the fetus' nervous system is not yet developed enough to experience any kind of pain or trauma. It is not yet sentient either and hasn't got it's own pulse yet so it is in fact not even a living entity on it's own yet which would mean it can't really "die" yet since it's not been alive yet.
now once the fetus has grown too much and they still abort then it's close to murder, but before that... dunno. in some cases it's best to abort.
I mean, why put a child on this world when you can't offer it a decent existence, right?
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Posted - 2007/01/10 : 15:46:35
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." -Godwin's Law
"There is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress"
Anyway, i am for abortion. Now i dont know the laws in other countries, but here you can do abortion:
•Before the 12th preagnancy week
•If giving birth would an unreasonable risk
•Because of rape
•Mother is over 40 years old
•Mother is under 17 years old
•The mother already has 4 children
•If they suspect the baby to born disabled
After the 12 weeks the preagnancy can be stopped (you have to get permission from some government agency)
•Mothers young age (before the 20th week)
•serious disability (before the 24th week)
•other serious reason (before the 20th week)
So its not like going to get aspirin to a headache from the pharmacy.
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