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Torpex
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 Posted - 2007/04/22 : 10:00:20
Are you feeling that FL Studio is limiting you?
If so, try Cubase and see how it goes.
If not, stick with FL and keep on exploring it. :)
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thedjtaz
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Posted - 2007/04/22 : 14:56:29
don use reason or FL switch to cubase now and in a few months with a few good VST's namley Z3ta, battery and mabye some mastering plugins you will be coming out with some quality sounds.
not dissin reason or fl i started on FL went to reason and then cubase but eventually all producers will end up working with a proffesional level DAW (sonar or albelton too) and now cubase 4 is out its got some nifty added extras for ease of use that SX 3 should have had.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2007/04/22 : 16:54:52
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Originally posted by Influx:
Everyone says the 'sound quality' is better in cubase. But what exactly does that mean?
Example: If you use a 3rd party VST in Fl studio (without any added fx) and rendered it as a .wav file then did EXACTLY te same in cubase, would the one that came out of cubase sound better in ANY way? Or is the 'cubase has better sound quality' argument just coming from the fact that fl's built in programs are fairly shite?
Yes, everything sounds better :)
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Sk8SiM
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Posted - 2007/04/24 : 04:04:35
quote:
Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:
Originally posted by Influx:
Everyone says the 'sound quality' is better in cubase. But what exactly does that mean?
Example: If you use a 3rd party VST in Fl studio (without any added fx) and rendered it as a .wav file then did EXACTLY te same in cubase, would the one that came out of cubase sound better in ANY way? Or is the 'cubase has better sound quality' argument just coming from the fact that fl's built in programs are fairly shite?
Yes, everything sounds better :)
It’s not necessary the fact that everything sounds better - its more to the point that in FL - it takes you allot pointless time and effort - and may I add… "STRESS!" - To get stuff sounding good and everything to sit right in the mix!
Where as in Cubase or pro tools and/or any other industry standard software!
You’ll begin to start hearing results right away!
^^^ Your now giving your tracks a professional mixdown and you’ll just let your ear do the rest!
With the right knowledge and experience you'll be well away with it!
However even with the knowledge & experience - trying to get a professional audio engineer track out of FL Studio! - is a task that you can take on your own :) [That’s not to say it can't be done - but good luck with it!]
p.s. Even reason can be a bad choice! But this is something that comes down to a matter of opinion and is all down to the producers choice.
Me Myself, I've herd alot of talented tracks come from very talented producers who use reason - but if you get 2 different tracks from the same artists [one made from cubase and the other from reason] and play them one after the other... then you can just TELL the difference!
It’s like you can tell that the producer tried doing something fancy [taking the side ride] in reason to get a curtain sound – to fit right in the mix! – And this is something that is just not needed in cubase! – If you know what your doing, then you just do it – there’s no fannying about!
Having saying that ^ in FL Studio – boy oh boy!
Honestly – all I’ll say is that if your use’t to the mixer in FL studio – then as soon as you boot up cubase SX for the first time and take a look at its BEAUTIFUL mixer! Then you’ll probs soon understand what I’m trying to say!
That’s not to say Cubase is a walk in the park [far from it] - It’s just a professional tool for people with professional knowledge! [I.e. if you know what you’re doing - you'll piss all over it - and its well worfit... you'll be smiling afterwards!]
But if you’ve haven’t got the knowledge, then just **** about for a few more months in FL!
Soon – You’ll get to the stage where all you seam to be doing is getting frustrated with your work… me myself, I spent 6 months in this stage cuse I was to stubbon to listen to anyone else in the industry… Then when I finally gave in and made the switch last November! – I couldn’t help but smile – it was a relief! And I’m glad I did it!
Hopefully you will too 
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Sk8SiM
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Posted - 2007/04/24 : 04:14:17
quote:
Originally posted by StrifeII:
RAM, CPU Speed...FL is a bit better for memory consumption in my experience.
This is also true from my experience - I've recently upgrading my DAW to a AMD althon x2 dualcore processor!
The other night i was pissing all over cubase - and i mean TAKING IT FOR A RIDE!
and the CPU meeter was only at 10% - so hey, i thought lets do some rewire... and rewired it with fl!
I've only been able to get the cpu up to 30% so far :P haha!
My goal is the get it up to 50 by the end of the week XD
OH THE JOY! :D
One more thing to add for those who are intressed!
Beleave it or not - it turns out that Cubase runs fatser on a PC - then it does a mac!
[Just incase someone else is thinking of upgrading there machine!]
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eddiewould
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Posted - 2007/04/24 : 10:32:37
I've switched from Reason to Cubase - here are my comments:
- The sequencer in Cubase pisses me off. Things are more difficult than they need to be - every time you do a MIDI take, a new note group is created. Merging these takes is a pain in the arse. Furthermore, I can't find a way to record notes from MIDI without them being added to a group. For the way I work, this is just really fustrating.
- It's harder to keep track of all your windows for VSTs etc in Cubase.
- I still use Reason's Redrum for drums (I Rewire it in) - I find it really easy to use.
- The sound quality in Cubase is noticibly better than in Reason, even when using Reason's instruments (Redrum). What do I mean by this? Basically, I can have the levels up much higher without distortion/clipping than I could in Reason. This results in higher output mixdowns which need less 'help' from mastering.
Why did I switch from Cubase to Reason? I wanted VSTs and tempo automation, and the better sound quality. I found with Reason that to get good sounds, one has to combine many many devices/FX in a hacky/experimental way. VSTs just tend to sound (pretty) good out of the box.
How will I produce? Since I find the sequencer in Reason *much* easier to use, I think I'll make my tracks in Reason then when they're almost finished, export to midi, import in cubase and assign VSTs to the tracks. It's a pity that I have to do this, but I really dislke the sequencer.
My $0.02
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Torpex
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Posted - 2007/04/24 : 11:12:27
That's an interesting take, Eddie. Have you tried using FL? If so, how does it compare?
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eddiewould
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Posted - 2007/04/24 : 11:35:31
Tried fruity, absolutely positively can't stand FL - it's pattern based.
I personally like to produce in a sequential form - I like to be able to see the whole track in an overview, zoom into a specific section, group notes into whatever group-length I want (A group usually represents one idea). I can then drag and drop these groups around, copy/paste them, ungroup and modify then regroup etc.
Someone told me that in a future version of FL Studio you may be able to do sequencer-style arrangement (as with Reason and Cubase)? If this is the case, I may try fruity again.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2007/04/25 : 10:33:43
quote:
- The sequencer in Cubase pisses me off. Things are more difficult than they need to be - every time you do a MIDI take, a new note group is created. Merging these takes is a pain in the arse. Furthermore, I can't find a way to record notes from MIDI without them being added to a group. For the way I work, this is just really fustrating.
What do you mean by note groups? :)
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eddiewould
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Posted - 2007/04/25 : 22:15:57
Hopefully these three images should demonstrate what I mean:
Notegroup:
Right-click ungroup, change some notes:
New group:
Reason is smart: If you just record normally, notes are just added as events (the redish lines) and not part of a group. If you're recording, and the bit of the track you're recording on is grouped, then the new news will also be added to the group.
99.99% of the time (for me), this is the functionality you want.
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Edited by - eddiewould on 2007/04/25 22:18:50 |
eddiewould
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Posted - 2007/04/30 : 07:49:33
Well my appologies to Cubase, turns out what I wanted is possible I just didn't know how to do it.
To make Cubase 'work like reason' with regard to adding to an existing group when recording, set the record mode to 'Merge' on the transport control.
If you have two groups you want to merge (overlapping and/or ontop of each other) you use the glue! to join them. I probably never figured this out because, while glue makes sense for joining things which are beside each other... it somehow didn't click that it would work for things ontop of each other.
I've now switched to Cubase as my sequencer as well and, at this stage - there's no looking back!
All I need to figure out is how to allow selecting of notes during playback/recording...
Fixed this too.. Preferences->Editing->"Auto select events under Cursor" ==> DISABLE!
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eLASTIC
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Posted - 2007/05/01 : 11:42:28
Theres DVD tutorials out there that take a novice from the very beginning it seems.
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SickPigRecords
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Posted - 2007/05/01 : 16:08:29
in my opinion flstudio 7 is the best for getting ideas down if you are making computer based music
if you are recording audio from an external souce or recording live bands it dosent quite cut it
as for sound quility hell turn it up if you dont like what comes out if i put flstudio on 192khz
and 512 sync depth it is no diffrent when run through a audio analizer i tried it on a beat as had heard the same thing that fl studio sound quility is not as good this is definetly the case with fl studio 4 and below but not any more
but as silver says you can use them all togeather and use the best bits from all of them
i think that no one sequencer is any better that the other really (fl ,Reason,Cubase,logic,Pro tools)
its all how you use it
what you want from it
and most of all what you add to it
but i do find cubase clumbersom and forget what i was doing half way through
so how you wright tunes also matters
if you just make a sound and take it from there or have no set plan or have a definite idea of what you want to do and plan the diffrent parts
so i dont think you should swap but add it to you inventry and learn it as cubase is every were like 1210's there is no getting away from it
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Pope C XXIII
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Posted - 2007/05/01 : 20:26:28
I'm just too much of a tard to use FL. I use Acid 5, which, despite the fact that it's really easy to pump out looped shite, can do anything if you have the right VST's (although that causes some massive CPU consumption, but still), and it's a lot easier to see what it is you're doing.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2007/05/01 : 23:08:16
quote:
Originally posted by eddiewould:
Well my appologies to Cubase, turns out what I wanted is possible I just didn't know how to do it.
To make Cubase 'work like reason' with regard to adding to an existing group when recording, set the record mode to 'Merge' on the transport control.
If you have two groups you want to merge (overlapping and/or ontop of each other) you use the glue! to join them. I probably never figured this out because, while glue makes sense for joining things which are beside each other... it somehow didn't click that it would work for things ontop of each other.
I've now switched to Cubase as my sequencer as well and, at this stage - there's no looking back!
All I need to figure out is how to allow selecting of notes during playback/recording...
Fixed this too.. Preferences->Editing->"Auto select events under Cursor" ==> DISABLE!
:)
I'm happy for you :) I felt liberated when i moved, it really is so much better :)
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