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Pope C XXIII
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 Posted - 2007/04/16 : 23:55:00
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Originally posted by Marshy88:
Respect dude you know a lot for a 14 year old are you really that old?
When i was forteen i could only roughly tell you what happyhardcore was nevermind the rest :)
Yeah. I've got mad genre knowing skillz. 
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Meph751
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Posted - 2007/04/17 : 00:21:50
only things i'd argue are...
first, the name for breakbeat hardcore - i usually think of that as 170ish bpm hardcore that uses breakbeats, like how you've got some tunes with a breakbeat mix as well as a 4/4 kickdrum mix (first example that comes to mind is john doe - timebomb), whereas what you're describing is more what i think of hardcore breaks. slower stuff, which earlier prodigy would fall under.
second, just a bitchy little thing on my part, but i don't really think of gabber as going as high as 200 bpm. i personally like it slower, around 165, but i don't think i've really ever heard it over 180~185ish. correct me if i'm wrong though... 
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Posted - 2007/04/17 : 01:55:17
The whole breakbeat hardcore vs. hardcore breaks dispute has yet to be settled, so nobody really can say definitively what is what. (Shoulda just said "rave")
And I've definitely heard gabber at 200, although that tends to be some seriously old school stuff. Gabber's gone down towards the 160 range these days, but I've heard some old Nosferatu and such that goes pretty close to 200.
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Posted - 2007/04/17 : 02:07:47
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Originally posted by Pope C XXIII:
The whole breakbeat hardcore vs. hardcore breaks dispute has yet to be settled, so nobody really can say definitively what is what. (Shoulda just said "rave")
fair play :)
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Originally posted by Pope C XXIII:
And I've definitely heard gabber at 200, although that tends to be some seriously old school stuff. Gabber's gone down towards the 160 range these days, but I've heard some old Nosferatu and such that goes pretty close to 200.
ah, if you have links to that i'd love to see those (not that i'm doubting whether it's true or not, i'd just like to hear that hehe)
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Sk8SiM
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Posted - 2007/04/17 : 05:12:42
Just to clear something up!
Hardcore breaks = nuskool rave - 120bpm-155bpm
Breakbeat hardcore = UK or Happy hardcore but with breakbeat instead of 4/4!
Breakcore = think freeform/breakbeat! - clsm, cube:hard, fallout - alot of people get this mixed up with drum & bass!
Drum & bass is really dirty! and has a ****ing awful bassline! and was simply labeled that name by the media around 1996 [originally called "jungle!"] - however there is no "regga" in jungle anymore - thats why its called dnb!
Anything else that people like to class as dnb is all horse shite - its hardcore! - end of story!
Liquidfunk, darkcore ect - its all hardcore [not dnb]
think of dnb - as a style of hardcore 
thats my opion anyways ^ many people feel diffrent about it... but if you do your reaserh - then theres no reason not to think on that wavelenth -cuse its just makes sense!!! lol
ITS S'ALL HARDCORE MY FRIENDS!
So to list a few styles of hardcore for you...
[won't go into detail - just gonna write the first thing that pops into my head!]
oldskool [the original early 90's sound]
happy hardcore [mid - late 90's - 4 by 4]
Cheddacore [think happy but chesse!]
happycore [nu skool happy hardcore (mostly in the uk scene) - think DJ Kurt, Stormtrooper ect]
bouncey techno (or happy gabba if you like) ["i wanna be a hippy and i wanna get stoned" - :D:D:D end of story!]
UK hardcore [darren styles, hixxy, dougal ect ect]
Dutch HardCore (gabba/rottadam) [think distoret bass drums, twisted lryics, strobe lights that **** you up and 5 year olds walking into school and shooting all there best friends]
Freeform Hardcore [think psy/goa trance... but hardcore - energy, engery & more energy! - **** YES!]
Breakbeat hardcore [think UK hardcore or happy hardcore (both above) but with breakbeat]
Hardcore Breaks [the nu skool early 90's rave :)]
Breakcore [think freeform, but with dnb elmented breakbeat!]
FinRG [think twisted and dark (kinda like dutch) but freeform (above)]
Manika [think happy hardcore buy latin/spanish - hehe nuff said!]
Speedcore [think - running into a brick wall and then smiling about it - or standing in middle of iraq and replacing the sounds of gunshots with kickdrums :D]
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Posted - 2007/04/17 : 05:33:23
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Originally posted by Meph751:
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Originally posted by Pope C XXIII:
The whole breakbeat hardcore vs. hardcore breaks dispute has yet to be settled, so nobody really can say definitively what is what. (Shoulda just said "rave")
fair play :)
Hardcore breaks is by right its OWN SCENE! - and doesn't really class itself as anything to do with the "UK hardcore" scene!
^^^^ Breakbeat hardcore however does!
I've already discuses this topic indepth with the boys over at ru-rave.com last year!
the Hardcore breaks scene is mainly populated of more dnb producers anyways
[and we all know arsy the dnb scene is when it comes to all things being "hardcore"]
But hey ^^ its nothing to worry about!
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darson
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Posted - 2007/04/17 : 05:57:20
Thanks for the input Sk8sim
" however there is no "regga" in jungle anymore - thats why its called dnb!" -Sk8sim
ah theres stil sum regga dnb/jungle about, but yer probably not as much as there used 2 if what you say is true
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Posted - 2007/04/17 : 07:38:36
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Originally posted by Sk8SiM:
Just to clear something up!
Breakcore = think freeform/breakbeat! - clsm, cube:hard, fallout - alot of people get this mixed up with drum & bass!
No it isnt.
What you have listed is Breakbeat Hardcore.
Breakcore is people like Shitmat.
Breakcore is madly edited breakbeats often with jungle/ragga/dancehall influences.
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Originally posted by Sk8SiM:
Drum & bass is really dirty! and has a ****ing awful bassline! and was simply labeled that name by the media around 1996 [originally called "jungle!"] - however there is no "regga" in jungle anymore - thats why its called dnb!
Thats wrong as well.
Jungle still gets made. Jungle is a sub-genre of DnB. DnB isnt all really dirty(whatever you mean by that).
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Posted - 2007/04/17 : 11:27:01
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Originally posted by Sk8SiM:
Hardcore breaks is by right its OWN SCENE! - and doesn't really class itself as anything to do with the "UK hardcore" scene!
^^^^ Breakbeat hardcore however does!
This may get all very confusing and I find it hard to write a reply here! To explain exactly why is hard. You'd need to stay in the UK and be around in the rave scene since day dot.
The reason is the same word (breakbeat hardcore) has meant different things through the years. This is something fairly recent. I will demonstrate below.
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Originally posted by Pope C XXIII:
Breakbeat Hardcore - 120 to 155 bpm. Breakbeats + lots of very classic sounds (like the M1 Piano, the original Hoover, etc.) Examples : Luna C, Acen, and early Prodigy.
Pope C XXIII refered to "Breakbeat Hardcore" as being the original 1990/93 English Rave sound with artists like Acen, Altern 8, Freshtrax. This is 100% correct and for many old-heads it still is. It is this music and vibe that inspired today's "Nu Skool Rave / Hardcore Breaks".
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Originally posted by Sk8SiM:
Breakbeat hardcore = UK or Happy hardcore but with breakbeat instead of 4/4!
Originally posted by Meph751
the name for breakbeat hardcore - i usually think of that as 170ish bpm hardcore that uses breakbeats
Sk8SiM and Meph751 told something else - different music. What they write is also correct... but is the modern-day view today. People associate this particular type of "Breakbeat Hardcore" music with the current "UK Hardcore/Happy/Bouncy" scene - something where the slower "Hardcore Breaks" does not fit in.
What we have is the same word but two different things. Hope that makes sense as my head hurts!
I have to say that all the information in this thread is good.
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Originally posted by Chris B:
maybe its just my definitions different but whatever i heard of them jus sounded like the banging end of uk hardcore or freeform.
I do like it but not sure if i'd call it bouncy techno, some stuff by nu foundation and scott majestik though i would say has "that" sound
Yes guys like Scott Majestic and Joey Riot have taken influence from the old sound. When Quosh first reappeared they were calling their stuff "new bouncy techno". Of course, it's not exactly the same but there is some influence. I think the fans want a more pure/original sound to use that name only - there is something supposedly happening soon.
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Posted - 2007/04/17 : 13:17:53
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Originally posted by Meph751:
second, just a bitchy little thing on my part, but i don't really think of gabber as going as high as 200 bpm. i personally like it slower, around 165, but i don't think i've really ever heard it over 180~185ish. correct me if i'm wrong though...
Gabber isnt a type of music, its the dutch word for a raver, only in places where people dont no what hardcore is they call it that.
Hardcore is what people call gabber, the other stuffs sped up dance, trance or pop music
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Chris B
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Posted - 2007/04/17 : 13:21:23
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Originally posted by Chris B:
maybe its just my definitions different but whatever i heard of them jus sounded like the banging end of uk hardcore or freeform.
I do like it but not sure if i'd call it bouncy techno, some stuff by nu foundation and scott majestik though i would say has "that" sound
Yes guys like Scott Majestic and Joey Riot have taken influence from the old sound. When Quosh first reappeared they were calling their stuff "new bouncy techno". Of course, it's not exactly the same but there is some influence. I think the fans want a more pure/original sound to use that name only - there is something supposedly happening soon.
Aye man i'd never call stuff on quosh or joey riots stuff bouncy techno, sounds way different.
As you said is influenced but as a fan of the older stuff i feel it has more in common with uk hardcore
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Posted - 2007/04/17 : 13:22:41
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Jungle still gets made. Jungle is a sub-genre of DnB. DnB isnt all really dirty(whatever you mean by that).
yep, for all i quite enjoy sk8sims rants you have to take it with a pinch of salt, a lot of opinion and very little fact
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Posted - 2007/04/17 : 16:06:32
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Originally posted by Meph751:
second, just a bitchy little thing on my part, but i don't really think of gabber as going as high as 200 bpm. i personally like it slower, around 165, but i don't think i've really ever heard it over 180~185ish. correct me if i'm wrong though...
Gabber isnt a type of music, its the dutch word for a raver, only in places where people dont no what hardcore is they call it that.
Hardcore is what people call gabber, the other stuffs sped up dance, trance or pop music
i know, but this is predominately a UK Hardcore forum, so i call it gabber to make that distinction
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Posted - 2007/04/17 : 16:34:17
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Originally posted by Chris B:
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Originally posted by clarke101:
Jungle still gets made. Jungle is a sub-genre of DnB. DnB isnt all really dirty(whatever you mean by that).
yep, for all i quite enjoy sk8sims rants you have to take it with a pinch of salt, a lot of opinion and very little fact
I had been staying away form this topic. Because I knew people would get them all messed up and be quoting some random shite as usual.
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Posted - 2007/04/17 : 16:55:23
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i know, but this is predominately a UK Hardcore forum, so i call it gabber to make that distinction
Haha is cool mate i was just bein a miserable bastard 
And aye clarke is one of those things, i like the lads rants they make me laugh and hes got a lot right but jungle and drum n bass are not the same. Is like saying hardcore techno and cheese are
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