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eddiewould
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 Posted - 2007/08/08 : 22:57:19
Record labels which refuse to release their material digitally (in an attempt to 'protect' vinyl) are doing themselves more harm than good.
A growing fraction of DJs will use digital as their medium. Most of these DJs have no problems paying for a track (on CD or MP3). If you release only on vinyl, their only options (if they really want your track) are to
a) Buy the Vinyl and pay for shipping of it then borrow a friend's turntable and digitize it
b) Pirate an MP3 rip of it.
Few people will choose option a - how many people will buy something they never plan to use? Part of what you are paying for is the physical vinyl, the pressing, the shipping and mastering costs - all solely related to the fact that it's on vinyl. Plus encoding your own MP3s from vinyl is surely going to give you an inferior result.
If people want a track badly enough, they'll get it - whether they are able to acquire it legitimately or not.
Discuss.
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SickPigRecords
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Posted - 2007/08/08 : 23:02:58
totaly right it is shooting yourself in the foot if you only release vinyl
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Dexxdemon
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Posted - 2007/08/08 : 23:09:05
Me personally, id be absolutely GUTTED if vinyl was gradually depleted.
I aint 'anti-digital' or nothin, just that i tried CDJs and they aint my thing, u lose the 'intimacy' u get with using vinyl being able to literally 'touch' the music.
Sounds real tacky i know but thats jus my opinion.
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eddiewould
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Posted - 2007/08/08 : 23:17:43
Same goes for releasing on Vinyl before MP3 - some DJs may say to themselves
"I'll get the stolen vinyl rip for now, then when it comes out on digital I'll pay for it so the artists get paid".
I wonder how many DJs actually get round to doing this? By the time it comes out on digital they may have forgotten or stopped playing the track entirely. Again, would you pay for something you have used but are no longer planning on using?
If labels want to shun digital ("to protect vinyl") then they could consider putting up some kind of honesty/donation box. No questions asked, you choose how much to donate (paypal or similar).
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Edited by - eddiewould on 2007/08/08 23:20:55 |
Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2007/08/09 : 15:55:12
I think releasing the mp3 three months after the vinyl is the best course of action
The fact that something is unavailable to you BECAUSE YOU CHOSE TO NOT PLAY VINYL does not justify piracy
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__CMC__
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Posted - 2007/08/09 : 16:42:10
quote:
Originally posted by Dexxdemon:
Me personally, id be absolutely GUTTED if vinyl was gradually depleted.
I aint 'anti-digital' or nothin, just that i tried CDJs and they aint my thing, u lose the 'intimacy' u get with using vinyl being able to literally 'touch' the music.
Sounds real tacky i know but thats jus my opinion.
VINYL FOREVER!!!
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__CMC__
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Posted - 2007/08/09 : 16:53:12
quote:
Originally posted by eddiewould:
Plus encoding your own MP3s from vinyl is surely going to give you an inferior result.
Haha quite the opposite! If i am ripping a track from vinyl i can guarantee it will sound better than a mp3!
Agreed it could sound like shit but as long as you know how to do it right and what software to use the quality will be far superior than a mp3!
I rip to wav and i would put any of my rips up against any mp3 and with out a doubt the vinyl rip would win everytime!
I play mp3 all the time in my house or car but foolish of me i tried one time at a gig, needless to say i was embarresed! THE SOUND FROM AN MP3 COMING THROUGH A PROPER SYSTEM IS SHIT
It seems to be HHC that suffers from the the most, most other genres the reocrd company have utilised mp3's to their advantage! Anyone that knows or is a member of a record pool will know this!
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kathryn
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Posted - 2007/08/09 : 17:07:36
keep it original
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Meathead
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Posted - 2007/08/09 : 17:18:39
^^^^^she makes a good point ;)
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Samination
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Posted - 2007/08/09 : 18:10:06
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
I think releasing the mp3 three months after the vinyl is the best course of action
The fact that something is unavailable to you BECAUSE YOU CHOSE TO NOT PLAY VINYL does not justify piracy
3 months? making Hardcore sounding like it's like the Game industry (Japan 0 months, US 3 months, EU and Australia 9 months).
anyways, when yuo say "CHOOSE NOT TO PLAY VINYL", do you also include vinyls that are only sold 2nd hand, where the artist DO NOT earn more money from it?
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__CMC__
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Posted - 2007/08/09 : 18:39:01
www.torq-dj.com
www.scratchlive.net
www.mixvibes.com
www.native-instruments.com (traktorscratch)
www.mspinky.com
DVS is the way forward, vinyl is dated!
I still own vinyl and some of them i would never part with for love or money, things like charlie lownoise & mental theo - wonderful days, eko - renegade rewind, dyewitness - the masterplan, 4tune fairytales - my little fantasy, etc!
But as for all the recent crap, that on discogs:)
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Pope C XXIII
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Posted - 2007/08/09 : 19:16:59
quote:
Originally posted by DjSamination:
quote:
Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
I think releasing the mp3 three months after the vinyl is the best course of action
The fact that something is unavailable to you BECAUSE YOU CHOSE TO NOT PLAY VINYL does not justify piracy
3 months? making Hardcore sounding like it's like the Game industry (Japan 0 months, US 3 months, EU and Australia 9 months).
anyways, when yuo say "CHOOSE NOT TO PLAY VINYL", do you also include vinyls that are only sold 2nd hand, where the artist DO NOT earn more money from it?
This is why I, personally, feel absolutely zero guilt about downloading anything that's out of print and not availible for legal download. If the choice is between nobody making any money or some random dude who had nothing to do with the artist making money, I'm going to go with the economical option.
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SickPigRecords
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Posted - 2007/08/09 : 19:40:01
i think the other way arround 3 months before vinyl relase
a) to avoid piracy (anyone can rip off a vinyl to cd but the other way well u need a few bucks)
b) less Dj's Will mix your tune before you do
as vinyl is still the medium of choice for most hardcore dj's
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2007/08/10 : 14:26:23
quote:
Originally posted by SickPigRecords:
i think the other way arround 3 months before vinyl relase
a) to avoid piracy (anyone can rip off a vinyl to cd but the other way well u need a few bucks)
b) less Dj's Will mix your tune before you do
as vinyl is still the medium of choice for most hardcore dj's
thats a horrible idea
a) the whole point of releasing it later on mp3 is to reduce piracy - the effort required to rip a good quality file and share it is higher than the effort required to buy an mp3 and share it
2) by the time a track is released it's probably a year old and it doesn't matter to the original artist if it's played out. In fact, they probably want it played out for exposure. If you're releasing tracks on mp3 BEFORE vinyl everyone will stop buying vinyl and only buy mp3s because any DJ getting regular bookings that follows a style won't want to be 3 months behind everyone else and possibly lose potential bookings.
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SickPigRecords
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Posted - 2007/08/10 : 14:58:20
good point i think its a no win situation so i would have to say the best option is to release at the same time because as you stated peeps dont want to have to mix stuff after it comes out and that goes for both mediums as diffrent dj's use diffrent format's cd,mp3,vinyl
i dont think that piracy should be too much of a concern as if someone wants it for free they will get it unless they make some type of protection like they do for games like secure rom but then someone will only record it live onto somthing else except it piracy is going to happen and in the audio world there is verry little anyone can do about it
hell i would feel privaliged that someone is prepared to brake the law and risk getting done just to listen to my tracks
but then again my tracks cost me nothing or little to make after equipment costs
wich i bet is not the case for proper Recording artists ie. studio time enigineer fees and the likes
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2007/08/10 : 15:50:05
quote:
Originally posted by Dexxdemon:
Me personally, id be absolutely GUTTED if vinyl was gradually depleted.
I aint 'anti-digital' or nothin, just that i tried CDJs and they aint my thing, u lose the 'intimacy' u get with using vinyl being able to literally 'touch' the music.
Sounds real tacky i know but thats jus my opinion.
VINYL FOREVER!!!
I very much agree. Apart from the cheapness of CD's, and the ease of burning your own tunes to CD and being able to play them, i can't see why anyone would want to go digital :P
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