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 Posted - 2007/09/17 : 13:25:48
Having been around the scene for many years, ive seen things change a lot, and now ive seen things change for the worst. It seems to me that the old feeling of unity between the hardcore ravers & DJ's etc has totally gone. There are too many "factions" around now, and its all gone very commercial and revenue orientated.
Where did all the one for all and all for one feelings go ? There was a strong bond between the ravers in the 90's even the 80's, when the music split and the hardcore scene was flying, you could go to an event every week and have a blast. Now it seems the events are spaced out all over the place, this I actually attribute to local councils and the police. Various events were shut down for "drug" related offences. As we all know it was the local council being tunnel visioned and blaming the hardcore scene for it. Little did they know that all other clubs and events had exactly the same drug related offences.
Now I look at the hardcore scene as a divided unit, which is based souly around commercialiality and revenue. Look at the Raverbaby business, or more to the point, Hixxy business.
I know people have to make a living, BUT, trying to push out everyone else just so you have the monopoly on the market isnt what raves are all about.
The scene was one big happy family, and everyone was there for the same reasons. You brought, techno, hardcore, jungle, house, old skool people together and we got on like a house on fire. There was no crap about making money, no crap about shameless promotion of a label, the DJ's never thought they were better than one another, the MC's shared the work, everything worked well. DS, Helter, Kinetic, PleasureDome, Southern Style Exposure all had that same amazing vibe.
Well now I see its all different. The events are fewer, the atmosphere has changed and the crowds slate other styles of music.
Which brings me to the producers. Ive always believed that the music scene was an open book, anyone could get into it, and everyone could try. Now this isnt a personal rant ok, cos I dont produce hardcore music. But this is from what I see day in day out on here, and a shit load of other places. The present day DJ's are grouping together for the labels, they are only letting other known DJ's remix their work, its gone too commercial and its all about fame and money now. And tbh, im ****ing sick of it. When did someone say, "**** the hardcore scene, lets make a business outta it" and basically shaft the little guy. Maybe some of my assumptions are wrong, but ive not seen anything to suggest otherwise.
What happened to the unity feeling ???
And whats worse now, I see this more and more, people using other people for their own gains. Talk about 2 faced liars who will stop at nothing to basically get a leg up in the industry. Ive seen it enough now to put me off wanting to be involved in anything.
I look at the European gabber/jump style/hardstyle scene and I think how I wish I lived over there to be party of a big happy family again.
If any more divisions among the uk hardcore scene emerge, tbh, whats the point of even trying.
Im a hardcore raver, always was, always will be, and I will NOT be forced to align myself with anyone or anything. Love Peace and Harmony, its the feeling that you get when you rush on unity.
Rant over.
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Posted - 2007/09/17 : 13:51:07
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Various events were shut down for "drug" related offences. As we all know it was the local council being tunnel visioned and blaming the hardcore scene for it. Little did they know that all other clubs and events had exactly the same drug related offences.
oh they knew all right, but the difference between the nightclubs and raves were they brought the council money. And so, there was this problem, a drug scene surrounding electronic music had raised its ugly head and got seen, most probably by the media. And the council's and government found themselves with a problem where they had to choose between actually doing something about the 'drug offences' or keeping a happy source of income. And presto, a scapegoat emerged and hardcore got pinned as a drug addicts music, and their problems were solved - the appearence of doing something about drugs, and keeping the wallets happy.
I'm sure that if the government acutally wanted to do something about drug use at music festivals and nigthclubs, it wouldnt be very hard
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What happened to the unity feeling ???
It left when the lads came
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Posted - 2007/09/17 : 13:55:43
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What happened to the unity feeling ???
It left when the lads came
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Quoted for truth.
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Posted - 2007/09/17 : 15:27:48
Simply answer would be who cares about unity when theres money to be made!
IMO Hixxy is a good dj but a far better business man, you can't knock the man for getting paid. I would even go as far as to say the scence would be in a better state if there was more people following his lead.
The music industry bring happeniess to lots of people but it is a business, it all revolves around money like everything else in the world.
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Posted - 2007/09/17 : 17:05:46
Thats my point exactly. Its gone too commercial.
The only place you get the true hardcore feelin are the free partys that people do.
And people seem to do whatever it takes to keep their part of the industry theirs. Its as if they are scared to let others in, in case they are better.
Good example Hixxy. In fact the perfect example of someone who's forgotten his roots.
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 09:26:22
I dont think ive ever seen such a load of old tosh on one page before.
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 11:20:53
i love the commercialism. Theres nothing better than thousands of people ravin at a phat venue with a phat system n amazing lights n lazer shows!!!
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 11:30:07
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Originally posted by deejaybee:
I dont think ive ever seen such a load of old tosh on one page before.
Having been around since the beginning of all this rave malarky, we'd say that LeVzi has a point.
As with most things in life, it's who you know ( and what some are prepared to do to get to know them....)
Not what you know.
We've been the victims of this 'selfishness' in the past and, it's sad to say, even quite recently.... 
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 12:57:30
It seems to be a growing trend, unfortunately.
DeeJayBee , you may not want to believe this or read it, your choice. But its far from "tosh" as you put it.
Seems that people have to group together to fight for what they believe in, sounds political but im only talking about people who want a chance in the hardcore scene.
Would you kiss someones arse just to get in with the "in crowd" ? I sure as hell wouldnt.
What happened to talent being picked up for having talent, not being someones cousin ?
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 12:58:48
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Originally posted by Lilley:
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Various events were shut down for "drug" related offences. As we all know it was the local council being tunnel visioned and blaming the hardcore scene for it. Little did they know that all other clubs and events had exactly the same drug related offences.
oh they knew all right, but the difference between the nightclubs and raves were they brought the council money. And so, there was this problem, a drug scene surrounding electronic music had raised its ugly head and got seen, most probably by the media. And the council's and government found themselves with a problem where they had to choose between actually doing something about the 'drug offences' or keeping a happy source of income. And presto, a scapegoat emerged and hardcore got pinned as a drug addicts music, and their problems were solved - the appearence of doing something about drugs, and keeping the wallets happy.
I'm sure that if the government acutally wanted to do something about drug use at music festivals and nigthclubs, it wouldnt be very hard
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What happened to the unity feeling ???
It left when the lads came
I just re-read that lol and Bang someone hits the nail on the head.
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 13:08:52
since when is commercialism bad.
it brings more people to the scene. You talk about djs and producers not wanting to "let people in" but it just seems like you dont want to let people in the scene that arent die hard fans and know everything about hardcore.
Also having it be about who you know and not what you know thats ****ing ********. Thats actually a lot of rubbish. I knew nobody in the scene but i sent tracks around to people i dont know. After hearing some of my tracks i got in the studio with impact.
Granted that got me where i am now production-wise and i owe a lot to Rory and he knows it and i tell him often, but if he didnt hear potential in my tracks then nothing would have happened.
IMO it just seems like people who say its not what you know its who you know just arent ready to be in the industry yet. Im not knocking anybody but just because you and your mates think your good enough doesnt make it so.
As for HIXXY not letting people into the scene are you joking? Seriously that must be a joke.
Having have spoken to some of the people in hardcore i havent once had the experience where someone wasnt extremely helpful or geniune. Brisk - never met him before sent him and kev energy a demo, kev energy wanted to sign it first and i committed to him, when i told brisk, rather than being sour about it congradulated me that i got a deal.
What exactly are you afraid of about hardcore going commercial? Its not "underground" anymore? Boo ****ing hoo it has so many more advantages for the scene than disadvantages. It pisses me off sometimes when people dont look at the bigger picture. Commercialism will only make the scene stronger.
As for it being better in the "old skool" era? Thats a pretty big call. I mean people were happier then maybe, but if you ask yourself why a lot of the answers revolve around money. Vinyl sold a lot better back then. Vinyl doesnt sell for shit any more and theres virtually no money in it. Ive said this time and time again but it seems like people want producers to make less money, have less of an audience and put as much effort into it as they possibly can to make the best tunes out. Wake up guys, people have bills to pay.
Rant over.
*EDIT* i just realised that some of my post may have been offensive to some people when it wasnt meant to be. Im not going to edit what i actually wrote, regardless of how i was feeling when i wrote it, because i think i meant parts of it. I apologise to anyone who takes offence though, it wasnt meant to be an offensive post. :)
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 13:30:16
Influx mate.
When you've been let down, ripped off, lied to, cheated and had your ideas stolen as many times as we have you might have a different point of view.
That's why these days we do it just for fun.
If people like like it, that's cool. If they don't, that's cool as well.
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 13:37:42
Im not saying there arent ****wits.
But you guys act like everybody is.
haha i replied before the edit you sneaky bugger. Its up to you how you do your music mate. I could understand why youd be sour if bad shit happened to you, but cant you just take note of who actually ARE the shit people and move on, instead of backing down?
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 13:41:08
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Originally posted by Influx:
Im not saying there arent ****wits.
But you guys act like everybody is.
haha i replied before the edit you sneaky bugger. Its up to you how you do your music mate. I could understand why youd be sour if bad shit happened to you, but cant you just take note of who actually ARE the shit people and move on, instead of backing down?
Commercialism isnt a bad thing ? OK thats your view, and you are entitled to it. Money ruins everything, so what if more DJ mixes are availible in HMV, you think thats what im refering to ? People who make money are more inclined to not want to spend it. Im not denying that people like Hixxy have worked hard to get where they are, and all credit to them, my problem lies that now they are at the top, they are less inclined to give others the breaks they had. They tend to focus on what they and their label are doing, check various commercial release track listings.
My whole point is, in days gone by, we all stood together and had 1 aim, that was to be a raver, either DJ or MC or Producer or just party go-er. Now it seems its not the same, and imo thats a bad thing, the underground scene as you put it was a damn sight bigger than the modern day equivalent. Go back in time and look at the parties that were around, and the venues they used, and the capacity of the venues. Vinyl was the only means of playing out and there were numerous rooms at the big parties with DJ's who you may not have known about.
If you can forget the past that quickly and focus souly on the modern commercial scene, good luck to ya :)
Me ? I'll never forget my roots. EVER.
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 13:44:12
Ha ha, wasn't sneaky mate, just coincidence.
Ahh... "just move on". How many times have we "Just moved on"?
Like I said, it's happened again. Recently. 
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 13:46:27
But surely once again you can jsut move on?
Even if you have to eliminate every sneaky ****wit one by one, your eventually going to come across a lot of good apples, are you not?
From what ive heard of your tracks mate its not exactly like you lack talent and/or ideas.
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