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Ionosphere
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 Posted - 2007/09/18 : 13:50:24
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But surely once again you can jsut move on?
Even if you have to eliminate every sneaky ****wit one by one, your eventually going to come across a lot of good apples, are you not?
From what ive heard of your tracks mate its not exactly like you lack talent and/or ideas.
I admire your faith in others, thank you for the compliment and wish you well, because you have talent, but we're happier these days doing it just for fun.
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 13:52:44
And commercialism isnt bad ?
Sorry to hear you've been ripped off so many times, but then with ppl like Rankin about, who will rip anyone off, its a tough area to find genuine people around.
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 13:54:34
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And commercialism isnt bad ?
Sorry to hear you've been ripped off so many times, but then with ppl like Rankin about, who will rip anyone off, its a tough area to find genuine people around.
If it was just the Rankins of this world it wouldn't be so bad....
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 14:01:37
Rankin is an extreme case though. i mean everybody with half a brain knows what a cock he is.
Ionosphere mate coming on here 1-2 years ago you were one of the producers i looked up to in terms of ability. one of the people id sit there and go "**** i hope i can produce like that one day" My point is, just giving up on making a legitimate career out of it because of 10 or 100 bad experiences just shows people that DO steal ideas and what not that they can get away with it.
Let them have what they stole, move on, make a mental ntoe of who you can trust and cant and move forward with your career. I assure you man there ARE people you can trust, ive met a lot of them and basically owe me skill to one of them.
There are a lot of people like me who value loyalty and honestly far above making a buck, you just have to find them. Everybody gets ****ed around. Seriously EVERYBODY does.
(sorry for mentioning something if im not meant to bee - i apologise in advance if i do)
Ask bee. If you read ush youll know that a certain person screwed him around as well. Everybody gets pissed off by lack of courtesy and honesty, regardless of where they are in the industry - high up like bee, or low down, like me (unintentional rhyme)
I just think the scene is losing somethng from someone like you not making a career out of something that they could make a career out of.
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 14:03:52
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And commercialism isnt bad ?
What exactly is bad FOR THE SCENE - NOT YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL about being commercial?
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 14:05:36
But this was my whole point, people like rankin, extreme case or not, were bred by the commerciality of it all. Look at him now, he's signed on a label, and for what ? Ripping off everyone else. He may never perform at an event for fear for his life, but he will sit at home, ripping more people off, making tracks and getting them released, due to the fact that some label wants to cash in on his blatant abuse of others. There were no "rankins" in the 90's. So what changed ?
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Has anyone else gone through this? Im down to about 3 cigarettes a day from a pack a day a couple of months ago but i just cant shake these last 3.
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Quitting is a BITCH with PMS on a really ****ing bad RAINY day. "
No wonder you are touchy about this lol
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 14:10:12
Rankin isnt signed to a label for his talent and he hasnt released any tunes in breach of copyright.
were they breach in copyright the label would go down.
And you would have heard about that. ****ing up a perfectly good track and posting it on youtube isnt the same as a label releasing it as its own, or an unofficial remix, without permission to make money from it.
It happens in every scene mate. Every scene has its fakes, why should hardcore be any different?
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 14:28:23
Rankin made it onto a label, due to his ripping off others. He became an icon to the kids of hardcore. He wouldnt dare release anything now that wasnt original or an agreed remix. Lets face it, he's under more scrutiny than anyone really.
Anyways we can go back n forth with this forever, I just think the gap between the be's and the wannabe's is bigger than its ever been and I attribute that to a far too commercial scene.
"those who have power want one more thing, more power" c/o someone in the Matrix films. lol
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 14:39:19
i can agree with parts of that.
Lots of "big names" are untouchable to most of us, but lots of them are only an email or PM away mate. Its not all bad.
I dont think thats due to a commercialised scene though. Especially considering as if you compare it to other genres, hardcore definitely isnt commercial.
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 14:50:34
I would 100% disagree with that PM or Email away statement, ive emailed plenty and never had a reply. They will either talk to someone if there is something in it for them OR they have big breasts and blonde hair. I wasnt even asking about production or anything like that.
In fact I wasnt asking anything of them at all.
I dont include all of them in that respect, some are really cool, others are just ignorant twats.
Never used to be like that, maybe im attributing most of this to the addition of technology, lets face it, the internet wasnt as big then.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 18:17:24
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Originally posted by Influx:
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Originally posted by LeVzi:
And commercialism isnt bad ?
What exactly is bad FOR THE SCENE - NOT YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL about being commercial?
The fact that the music is no longer made for the music, it's made to make money. It goes further downhill from there untill no one cares for it anymore, then it goes back underground.
This is why i'm not too fussed about commercialization, while it is bad, it doesn't effect the underground scene nor the people who truly like it. The commercial scene comes, and then goes, along with all the ingenuine people that came along with it.
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 21:24:06
Blimey hit the nail on the head in a couple of lines in what ive been trying to say all along lol nice one.
I would like to see a lot less raverbabys with 2 names on them, to a whole bunch of new talent, lets face it, the scene went stagnant cos only a handful of people were producing. With modern technology availible, lets throw open the field for everyone and that way, we get more hardcore, more music, more producers and more DJ's. And the scene gets a massive injection of fresh faced feeling and that can only be a good thing.
Using the older days as a template, make the move now with a commercial value, but always remembering where the scene came from and what it stood for.
There is so much talent around, lets get to see it on the grand stage, not a handful of people who have to bust a gut to get something out there. Its not a case of move over Hixxy, move over styles, its a case of make room.
Without more n more new faces around making new sounds n new tracks, it will reach a limit n you'll be flogging a dead horse.
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NeXuS
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Posted - 2007/09/18 : 22:17:43
I understand what your saying Lev but your talking like theres only ONE scene to make it in hardcore and thats with a big label or spinning at a large event.
No matter how commercial hardcore becomes there will always be an uncountable amount of underground scenes moving right along. Of coarse no one knows much about them because our eyes and ears are going to be filled with the commercials of the big label releases & big event parties.
It's sad but truth has to be faced, hardcore is no longer a one body & like minds.
Unity was felt back in the day because hardcore was so strongly rejected by the mass and our numbers were so few, so it was easy to give the media & main stream the finger and go rave with everyone to hardcore.
Now with the general acceptance theres no longer a single "fight" for all of us to believe in, no longer a better tomorrow we can all hope for when everyone will be shown the light of hardcore's true sence.
There's honestly nothing you can do except try and find "your" underground scene and do everything you can to help it grow. You cant change the views of a big label like raverbaby, their just doing what they can to make "their" scene grow and we all have our own parts to play if we want to make a difference.
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Posted - 2007/09/19 : 14:26:32
You are quite right there, nothing can be done to change it. The fat cats that have the cream are unlikely to share it or even give some away.
Murray Beeston had the right idea, and omg how much is that man missed. What a legend.
I think he set such a high standard that all the other events followed suit and were kinda forced to go all out.
How many DJ's did Murray blood ? too many to count.
Ah well, atl least its been nice to see various points of view on this subject.
Hardcore will always be a way of life to me, not a style of music. Can interpret that how ya like.
Murray RIP mate, never forgotten.
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Posted - 2007/09/21 : 01:55:42
the way i see it is, HTID isn' a rave organisation, it's a farm. a fake-raver-farm
this reminds me of a scene on pinkfloyd the wall, where the teach pushes individual students into a mincer, and worms come out, that mincer is like HTID.
it's all just a big ****ing biziness, a farm to bring in normal people, push out people who think they like 'hardcore' and then they go out and buy their spoonfed crap in HMV because 'they were at that rave this tune was played'
it's all just fake,
there's no real rave scene anymore, if you want a real rave, get to an ilegal party. if you wanna hear 'proper' rave music, look around on myspace or get music sequencers for your computer and make your own stuff.
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