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Quicksilver
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 Posted - 2007/09/24 : 21:51:15
Hey guys.
I'm trying to make a tune in FL studio 7 but I have a problem with the kicks - I've got a kick every 4 beats and a snare every other 4 beats (Kick - - - Kick + Snare - - - Kick - - - Kick + Snare - - -), get it? Problem is that the kick doesn't make a sound together with the snare, so in reality all that is heard is Kick - - - Snare - - - Kick - - - Snare - - -! It's very annoying, does anybody know how to fix it?
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Posted - 2007/09/25 : 02:49:58
turn down your snare volume?
or maybe the kick has too many low end frequencies.
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Posted - 2007/09/25 : 10:36:41
Can you post a sample? Sounds like the frequencies are too similar. Basically the snare and kick you are using aren't up to the job... hard to tell without a sample though!
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Posted - 2007/09/25 : 12:03:36
id just filter out the low frequencies of the snare up til about 150 hz.
If the snare still cuts out the kick drum then you need to turn it down. If the only way for you to get it to sit how its meant to means that you can barely hear the snare then the snare isnt punchy enough. Either layer it with a clap and eq it the same way, or pick a different snare.
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Posted - 2007/09/25 : 12:18:22
Yeah. Or he could also be using a really bad kick drum that isn't sitting low enough on the frequency ladder.
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Posted - 2007/09/25 : 12:36:29
yeah but its too easy to blame samples.
Obviously hes new-ish to production; maybe he doesnt have very good samples. Its hard to tell anything without a sample.
You posted up that i could be a sample problem. What if he used different/better samples and still had the same problem and i didnt post anything coz i thought the sample explanation was good enough? The guy wouldnt have an answer then.
Im really tired and grumpy so sorry if that sounds like im having a go i promise im not. Regardless of whether we agree or not, surely its better to have too much good advice, than not enough eh?
*edit* just realised how many tims i said sample 
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Posted - 2007/09/25 : 14:09:41
Yeah mate wasn't disputing what you said, just adding to it :) You're definitely right. I think it's likely that if it's interfering that badly though his samples are going to be a very similar frequency.
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Posted - 2007/09/25 : 15:43:07
If you are missin the second kick when it hits with the snare, and I assume you are playin this IN FL not exporting n listening, my advice 1st is that you should export it, put a few bars worth of kick n snare, export the mp3 and see if its the same, as sometimes you cant hear it as FL is playing.
All depends on ya RAM n CPU usuage.
Failing that , just beef up the kick, make it dominate. weak kicks will get drowned out by most things.
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Posted - 2007/09/25 : 17:16:53
I'll post a wee bit sample. It's all a bit weird - when there are lots of sounds going on, the volume is lowered on some parts and when I take away some stuff the volume boosts up mid-track, etc... Very annoying.
And same goes for the bass. My bass is - - B - - - B - - - B - - - B - - - B - - - B - - - B - - - B B and on the double bass there's sometimes a change in the drum pattern, so the last bass-line is almost drowned again. Guessing it's frequencies? Anyway, take a listen. http://download.yousendit.com/B338C1F5309C3C4D
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Posted - 2007/09/26 : 11:12:56
Will check the sample later.
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Originally posted by Quicksilver:
, the volume is lowered on some parts and when I take away some stuff the volume boosts up
Do you have a compressor on the main channel? That can cause that if you have the settings wrong.
LeVzi - Don't know why you find this "as sometimes you cant hear it as FL is playing." Only problem I ever get if my PC gets maxed out is some stuttering and I only have 1GB ram (till I get me knew beast in a few weeks 8)).
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Posted - 2007/09/26 : 11:57:51
Yeah, I've got a compressor on the main channel. Will play around a bit with it and see if I can fix it.
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Posted - 2007/09/26 : 11:58:16
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Originally posted by bulby_g:
LeVzi - Don't know why you find this "as sometimes you cant hear it as FL is playing." Only problem I ever get if my PC gets maxed out is some stuttering and I only have 1GB ram (till I get me knew beast in a few weeks 8)).
Only?! I was using 256 meg till this week :P
Anyway as for the problem, i don't see anything obviously wrong with it, can you explain what you mean in more detail?
If it's the dynamics your talking about, as in stuff changing volume in an undesirable manner, then it is definitely the compression somewhere.
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Posted - 2007/09/26 : 12:59:22
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Only?! I was using 256 meg till this week :P
:P Will be getting 2mb on my new comp' and upgrading that to 4 8). Ultra power FTW.
Quicksilver - Re: the compressor on the main channel. I get the impression that you're not familiar enough with compression to be doing this, you will only make the track worse unless you know 100% what you're doing with it! My advice would be to not do it at all (leave it for a mastering engineer if you want your productions to be as good as they can be) until you are completely comfortable with using compression.
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Posted - 2007/09/26 : 14:19:28
I agree with bulby but id go one step further and say dont put a compressor on the master channel ever. Theres a lot of comrpession/limiting that goes on in the mastering stage, i mean... you COULD stick a compressor on the master channel... but imo theres no real need for just about anything on the master channel. Its probably in your better interests to just avoid it completely.
Also re: your problem with volume fading in and out;
1) Is it happening with all the channels or a certain one/few?
If its happening to only a certain few, then go into the piano roll and check that the channel volume is flat, and also that the veloctiy is flat.
Another thing to check is if you have any automation on certain parts of the track that you could havae forgotten about.
Otherwise yeah its probably compression. If its making a HUGE difference to the volume id actually say its probably accidental automation. If you dont use automation then ti compression. Use process of elimination.
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Posted - 2007/09/26 : 21:50:12
Thanks for the input guys. Btw, are you implying that I can't learn to use compressors? ;)
It's really weird, the sounds. Here, listen to this. http://download.yousendit.com/0924E2F34EB1AD4F Do you hear what I mean? First of all, when I add the extra hi-hat the sounds of the snare totally changes and near the end can you hear how the volume is altered??
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Posted - 2007/09/26 : 23:59:19
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
Will check the sample later.
quote:
Originally posted by Quicksilver:
, the volume is lowered on some parts and when I take away some stuff the volume boosts up
Do you have a compressor on the main channel? That can cause that if you have the settings wrong.
LeVzi - Don't know why you find this "as sometimes you cant hear it as FL is playing." Only problem I ever get if my PC gets maxed out is some stuttering and I only have 1GB ram (till I get me knew beast in a few weeks 8)).
I dont, Well not anymore, I did get it on my old PC with its old soundcard, but I upgraded the soundcard to an XiFi Extreme Music, and that sorted that problem. It was just using too many resources, and my old PC wasnt that powerful, took me ages to upgrade it to a good standard, then I sold it. lol
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