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dee_licious
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 Posted - 2007/10/25 : 14:00:15
Most of you here in the forums are only kids yourselves but, i just heard on the news about 2 young boys getting killed on a motorway. No idea why parents can't keep a closer eye on their children but, i blame this unfortunate incident on the fact that, there's bugger all for the kids to do in breaks from school. I for one would like to see more out of school activities for our younger children to keep them off the streets and away from busy roads.
The problem is, theres little or nothing in the way of activities to keep our young children from going the wrong way (off the rails) other than causing mischief and vandalism and graffiti.
These young children that have died, have done so because of their sense of adventure, which is only to be expected from young children, but had there been some sort of daily activity they were going to, although i can't be entirely certain, i would be hoping they wouldn't want to be out trekking along a busy motorway with their scooters.
My heart goes out to the families involved, of course its true we can't be watching them every single minute of every day, but surely they should know that this should never have happened, especially as the nights are closing in and the kids should be either indoors or at the very most, playing in the garden.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7061658.stm
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Posted - 2007/10/25 : 15:12:29
Yeah heard this morning this tragic news.
What on earth were they doing at that age near the motorway?
Such a sad tragic loss of lives
Heard the other day about a park in Bolton being petitioned against being built by 25 residents of a street cos of the fear of noise etc then the residents moan about the kids congregating and playing in the street. Kids cant win. Then they moan theres nothing for kids to do or to go to.
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Posted - 2007/10/25 : 16:12:38
I don't think it has ANYTHING to do with the lack of things for kids to do at all.
2 simple factors.
1. Far too many parents either don't give a shit where their kids are or what they're doing. (And i bet we'll see them bleating on the news about how upset they are while trying to blame somebody else).
2. A lot of kids these days (even very young ones) have no sense of what's right and wrong - and care very little too.
My kids are being brought up properly - and they know what they should and shouldn't do. But i could point out every day, the kids near me as young as 5 who are often a couple of streets away from home either alone or with similar age children.
So while the parents are obviously at fault - and i hope it haunts them for the rest of their lives, the kids should have known better too.
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Posted - 2007/10/25 : 22:07:45
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Originally posted by djDMS:
So while the parents are obviously at fault - and i hope it haunts them for the rest of their lives, the kids should have known better too.
Seems like a bit of an odd statement. You say the parents don't care but the kids should know better - if the parents don't care and don't teach the kids about how dangerous certain things are then who will and how will they know? School? Give me a break schools only care about getting money out of parents these days.
I agree to a certian extent about what Dee says but there would be loads for kids to do if there wasn't so many sick pervs & gang wars out there.
Truth is, everyone moans about things like this but no one does anything about them, the country is in social decline.
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Posted - 2007/10/25 : 23:09:09
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Posted - 2007/10/26 : 03:30:33
the kids were porbably throwing rocks at cars, and then running onto the road to get them when they had run out.
im backing dms' comment
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Posted - 2007/10/26 : 07:05:47
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Originally posted by Lilley:
the kids were porbably throwing rocks at cars, and then running onto the road to get them when they had run out.
im backing dms' comment
Yea cars are worth more then kids.. (strong sarcasm)
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Posted - 2007/10/26 : 10:32:44
It sucks what happened BUT I STRONGLY agree with DMS on this one. You cannot seriously blame boredom to be the cause of violence and graffitti etc? thats just absurd!. I think its to do with the upbringing of your child and the social factors and influences on them, if you teach your children right from wrong, be a good parent work hard. In a lot of cases you end up with a pretty good person that dosent need to do those things becuase they are bored, if they know better than they wont turn and do stupid things like that. Its like those kids that throw bricks onto motorways like how screwed is that?!.
I think also the people that they hang around with are a big influence, I know now looking back why my parents strongly disagreed with me hanging around with certain people and kept me away from them, again people the same age have a huge influence... peer pressure is a massive thing when you are younger.
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Posted - 2007/10/26 : 10:57:23
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Originally posted by Mortis:
quote:
Originally posted by djDMS:
So while the parents are obviously at fault - and i hope it haunts them for the rest of their lives, the kids should have known better too.
Seems like a bit of an odd statement. You say the parents don't care but the kids should know better - if the parents don't care and don't teach the kids about how dangerous certain things are then who will and how will they know? School? Give me a break schools only care about getting money out of parents these days.
I agree to a certian extent about what Dee says but there would be loads for kids to do if there wasn't so many sick pervs & gang wars out there.
Truth is, everyone moans about things like this but no one does anything about them, the country is in social decline.
Why is it odd?
My main point was that the parents are mainly at fault - but if kids these days are so clever (as they more often than not think they are), why did they get into that situation? Even the most misguided kid knows that it isn't a good idea to go on a motorway!
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Posted - 2007/10/26 : 11:16:11
I agree with DMS.
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kathryn
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Posted - 2007/10/26 : 13:26:37
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Originally posted by Lilley:
the kids were porbably throwing rocks at cars, and then running onto the road to get them when they had run out.
im backing dms' comment
no they werent thorwing rocks they crossed over the motorway with their scooters.
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Meathead
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Posted - 2007/10/26 : 14:30:44
tbh honest tho i agree with dms mainly, boredom does play a big part in kids doin stupid shit.
i used to hang around with a group a lads not too long ago, and one day, for no reason other than having nowt better to do, one of the lads tried stealin a car. now he prolly didnt have a brilliant upbringing or watever and maybe wasnt taught right from wrong, but the area we lived at the time, there was literally f*ck all to do, ever! so, would he have done the same if ther were just something like a youth centre he could go to? who knows?
if there was something that kids could do, would they spend there nights robbin cars and gettin into fights? or hanging round outside shops gettin pissed and stoned at 11 years old like we used to?
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Posted - 2007/10/26 : 17:50:42
It's called natural selection if you don't know that cars moving at fast speeds are dangerous.
Too many little shits about these days that can get away with murder, so they think nothing will happen to them if they play on motorways or drivers should just avoid them as the world revolves around them.
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Posted - 2007/10/27 : 06:44:06
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2. A lot of kids these days (even very young ones) have no sense of what's right and wrong - and care very little too.
I agree. In my hometown, Redditch, the kids regurlarly beat up other kids within an inch of their lives in complete public. And cause the parents or bypassers don't give a ****, they just let it happen. Plus you sometimes even see gangs of 10 year olds with baseball bats and ****ing knives, ready to be beat the first person who looks their way. I even came close to get done in by one of these gangs when I was thirteen. However, we don't get this same problem in Braine-l'Alleud in Belgium, so I'm very pleased I moved.
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dee_licious
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Posted - 2007/10/28 : 19:22:25
Although i agree with certain aspects of what has been said....its NOT always the parents fault. Take me for example....i had little parental upbringing...my parents were always drunk so had little to do with what i was doing or where i was. I never felt the need to steal a car...or rob an old lady...wtf is all that about???
Saying that...i agree with the statement of peer pressure, the theory of labelling and the reasons of why they conform to such labels, but not once...in all the times i was bullied or made to feel like a nobody...did i turn to vandalism or crime, i always wanted to have somewhere to go, ya know like a youth centre or somewhere i could go and talk to someone....i would certainly never have done anything bad to anyone else just to "fit in".
The one boy that was killed was 7 years old....JUST 7!!! My daughter is VERY bright for her age, she top in all her classes for reading and writing... (proud mum) but she has no road sense whatsoever. BUT...she does know not to go near the busy motorway near where we live...so in that respect DMS is right. Surely he should have known how dangerous it was, and if he didn't, wtf were his parents thinking????
The point still remains...what happened is a tragedy... :(
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Posted - 2007/10/29 : 09:32:33
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Originally posted by dee_licious:
Although i agree with certain aspects of what has been said....its NOT always the parents fault. Take me for example....i had little parental upbringing...my parents were always drunk so had little to do with what i was doing or where i was. I never felt the need to steal a car...or rob an old lady...wtf is all that about???
Liar!
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