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Jay-Owen
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 Posted - 2007/10/29 : 11:00:33
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Originally posted by dee_licious:
Although i agree with certain aspects of what has been said....its NOT always the parents fault. Take me for example....i had little parental upbringing...my parents were always drunk so had little to do with what i was doing or where i was. I never felt the need to steal a car...or rob an old lady...wtf is all that about???
Saying that...i agree with the statement of peer pressure, the theory of labelling and the reasons of why they conform to such labels, but not once...in all the times i was bullied or made to feel like a nobody...did i turn to vandalism or crime, i always wanted to have somewhere to go, ya know like a youth centre or somewhere i could go and talk to someone....i would certainly never have done anything bad to anyone else just to "fit in".
The one boy that was killed was 7 years old....JUST 7!!! My daughter is VERY bright for her age, she top in all her classes for reading and writing... (proud mum) but she has no road sense whatsoever. BUT...she does know not to go near the busy motorway near where we live...so in that respect DMS is right. Surely he should have known how dangerous it was, and if he didn't, wtf were his parents thinking????
The point still remains...what happened is a tragedy... :(
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dee_licious
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Posted - 2007/10/29 : 11:24:08
Get away with what? Being like all the other degenerate teenagers? Don't think so! I may not have a masters degree, but, i have common sense, and really...thats all it takes (plus 3 brothers to fight with :p). Any way, my life is irrelevant, i was simply pointing out its not always the parents fault...am not saying NEVER, just not always!
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Jay-Owen
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Posted - 2007/10/29 : 15:54:30
I was reffering to this point of the paragraph... 'I never felt the need to steal a car...or rob an old lady...wtf is all that about???' I meant that if your parents don't care, you could get away with this kind of crap if you actually wanted to do it. However, in my town, the local autorities were also pretty careless. you could get away with anything. I remember once, this guy was in the phonebox, calling his wife. And this group of teens were bashing the phonebox. This was on a public street, not a residential area! He called them something like 'Piss off you little pricks!!' They smashed in and beat him within an inch of his life. He died a couple of days later in hospital. The kids were 13-15!!!! they were never caught, but I somehow get the feeling that if the authorities in Redditch actually gave a ****, they would have been caught and dealt with. The parents probably don't even know what their kids are up to, 'cause actually, they don't really care. Not all parents in Redditch are like this, but it isn't an uncommon occurence. I guess our world is just too ****ed up to care...
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dee_licious
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Posted - 2007/10/29 : 16:29:42
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Originally posted by Renegade V:
I was reffering to this point of the paragraph... 'I never felt the need to steal a car...or rob an old lady...wtf is all that about???' I meant that if your parents don't care, you could get away with this kind of crap if you actually wanted to do it. However, in my town, the local autorities were also pretty careless. you could get away with anything. I remember once, this guy was in the phonebox, calling his wife. And this group of teens were bashing the phonebox. This was on a public street, not a residential area! He called them something like 'Piss off you little pricks!!' They smashed in and beat him within an inch of his life. He died a couple of days later in hospital. The kids were 13-15!!!! they were never caught, but I somehow get the feeling that if the authorities in Redditch actually gave a ****, they would have been caught and dealt with. The parents probably don't even know what their kids are up to, 'cause actually, they don't really care. Not all parents in Redditch are like this, but it isn't an uncommon occurence. I guess our world is just too ****ed up to care...
Too ****ed up to care? Agreed ;)
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Posted - 2007/10/31 : 01:08:38
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So while the parents are obviously at fault - and i hope it haunts them for the rest of their lives, the kids should have known better too.
Seems like a bit of an odd statement. You say the parents don't care but the kids should know better - if the parents don't care and don't teach the kids about how dangerous certain things are then who will and how will they know? School? Give me a break schools only care about getting money out of parents these days.
I agree to a certian extent about what Dee says but there would be loads for kids to do if there wasn't so many sick pervs & gang wars out there.
Truth is, everyone moans about things like this but no one does anything about them, the country is in social decline.
Why is it odd?
My main point was that the parents are mainly at fault - but if kids these days are so clever (as they more often than not think they are), why did they get into that situation? Even the most misguided kid knows that it isn't a good idea to go on a motorway!
I live in a cul-de-sac, and my 2 lads know not to play on the road because I'VE told them they are not allowed to play on the road! and if they do I drag them in and ground them! how 2 lads that age were allowed to go near a motorway IS the parents fault! I bet the 2 boys went there loads of times and their parents didn't even know (or did and didn't care) Well they do now! If you bring kids into this world its YOUR responsibility to teach them, look after them and make sure they know right from wrong in every situation!
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Posted - 2007/11/02 : 14:13:41
People who are blaming the parents are talking out there arse imo, we all went on a wander every now and again when we bored as kids even if we werent allowed as its what kids do.
The lads had go karts with them so were obviously going some where to have a mess about, it just happened to be that the motorway was in between them and where they were going.
Not the kids having shit parents, its just kids being kids and not thinking what they're doing.
Peops to quick to blame, every news story these days ends with the finger being pointed and trying to find fault.
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reenz
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Posted - 2007/11/05 : 03:21:53
yeah its the parents fault. look they should have bought their kids a computer instead of scooters. that way instead of appreciating nature and playing outdoors they could have just locked themselves in their rooms everyday and became complete recluses.....
seriously though, how old were these kids? i agree, parents should take more note of what the hell kids are doing. if theyre going to go riding scooters, drum it into their ears on how to check for traffic etc... then again.... sometimes kids dont listen.... its a bit of a catch 22 situation really isnt it
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dee_licious
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Posted - 2007/11/05 : 12:46:14
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Originally posted by reenz:
yeah its the parents fault. look they should have bought their kids a computer instead of scooters. that way instead of appreciating nature and playing outdoors they could have just locked themselves in their rooms everyday and became complete recluses.....
seriously though, how old were these kids? i agree, parents should take more note of what the hell kids are doing. if theyre going to go riding scooters, drum it into their ears on how to check for traffic etc... then again.... sometimes kids dont listen.... its a bit of a catch 22 situation really isnt it
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JesterDJ
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Posted - 2007/11/05 : 14:02:28
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I don't think it has ANYTHING to do with the lack of things for kids to do at all.
2 simple factors.
1. Far too many parents either don't give a shit where their kids are or what they're doing. (And i bet we'll see them bleating on the news about how upset they are while trying to blame somebody else).
2. A lot of kids these days (even very young ones) have no sense of what's right and wrong - and care very little too.
My kids are being brought up properly - and they know what they should and shouldn't do. But i could point out every day, the kids near me as young as 5 who are often a couple of streets away from home either alone or with similar age children.
So while the parents are obviously at fault - and i hope it haunts them for the rest of their lives, the kids should have known better too.
Reflected my thoughts exactly. Scummy parents being too quick to blame everything else when really at many times they should keep an eye out for them, especially at that age. They are expected to make some mistakes even when trying to use good judgement. I feel sorry for them losing their children it is hugely upsetting and i wouldn't say anyone would EVER deserve that, but a responsible parent wouldn't let their children out (and i think it was quite late as well wasn't it from what i remember on the news) without ensuring they knew what they were doing.
What is upsetting about this sort of thing is it kind of reminds me of all the other child related problems the uk is having at the moment. That poor kid Rhys Jones. The parents of his killer, I'd love to know what they are like; and the parents of all these other little kid gangs who go about beating people and "happy slapping" and stuff like this.
When and if anyone is dumb enough to have kids with me  i would ensure they are watched over and brought up properly. It is up to parents to instill the right attitudes and behaviour on their children. Not all kids will heed their parents advice for a number of reasons, be it being cool and peer pressure from school friends or just being rebellious coz of that age etc. Parents a 95% responsible for what happens with their kids, i say not 100% because they can't be there all the time, and even the perfect parent could have kids that mix with the wrong crowd, or the area they are in, or if they are not there. It's impossible for them to do that.
I myself have turned out not too bad (i think!) and i thank my parents for that, but i'll tell you now, out of four of us, two were a bit more like tearaways and caused their fair share of trouble as kids tend to do.
So its not only the parents but the amount of influence they have should ultimately be the deciding factor in a child's future; the parents in my opinion should be stronger than all other influences around them to make sure their children follow the right path.
Sorry for the long rant, but i wanted to really make my points clear!
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P.S. I expect once i'm a parent my views might change a bit, i don't expect everyone to agree with what i've said there, that's just my tupence worth. 
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dee_licious
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Posted - 2007/11/06 : 19:33:27
WOW!!! bet ya fingers hurt now eh?
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