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Skedd
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 Posted - 2007/11/11 : 03:27:00
hey guys,
im only a young one, so i got no idea about raves.
can someone explain to me HOW they are organised? they are promoted and stuff so obviously they have/can find a venue, but i have seen some say something along the lines of "you will find out on the night..." why is that? is it to keep the cops guessing or what? cause it sucks for people like me who live in the middle of nowhere and takes like 4 or 5 hours to get to cities, let alone trying to fight our ways the the urban jungle (hehe urban jungle...) to find a stationary venue, let alone an unspecified one.
i know to some people it may be a very stupid question, but, humour me. ;)
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Vitalism
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Posted - 2007/11/11 : 04:23:01
it makes the whole event like christmas, not in the sense that it's jesus' birthday, but more so in the sense that you don't know what to expect and they keep you guessing until the morning of the event. most of the time the parties are at liscenced venues, so i can't see any reason cops would shut them down any more so than a punk show or something at the same one......
someone correct me if i'm wrong about that part. there could be other reasons as to why they leave the venue TBA.
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Skedd
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Posted - 2007/11/11 : 10:10:18
thats what i was thinking, and i can see how that is cool, but it can also be pretty uncool :P
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2007/11/11 : 13:33:37
Nah you're wrong, not how it happens over here anyway.
In the UK if you get a party you have to ring on the night to find out where it is that's an illegal rave/free rave. A proper rave.
You have the same thing in Aus' and at a guess you would in Canada as well? The ones in Aus are often out in the bush.
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Vitalism
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Posted - 2007/11/11 : 15:49:01
the parties i go to in canada are all at liscenced venues, sometimes they still say "to be announced 24 hours before the party"
i can't see a good reason for this, just because it is at a legal venue.
also, you didn't put anything for proper rave, bulby. were you going to add anything?
i shared what i my opinion on the subject. any more takers?
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Squishy Star
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Posted - 2007/11/11 : 15:59:29
for most "legit" raves, the location is posted up on flyers and everything.
but then there are those that don't specify the location and have you call up an info line or something...which basically means it's an outlaw. absolute freedom. << "a proper rave!"
as for alex_e's "so i can't see any reason cops would shut them down" -- do you know how many people they can bust for drugs?!
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Pope C XXIII
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Posted - 2007/11/11 : 18:45:31
Read the book Class of 88: the True Acid House Experience (it's as rare as hell, so try to find a ******* of it like I did.) Then watch the movie Groove. All will be explained by checking out those two things.
Also: it's often a good idea to not give cops a very good idea where your show is if you know you'll be unfairly targeted. In the US at least, any promoter who supposedly "supports the using of drugs" at his party (even offering bottled water will equate to this) can be shut down by the RAVE act. Even in Canada I'd imagine the concept of a rave instantly equates to drugs in the mind of the police, so you're at risk if the general public knows where it is.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2007/11/11 : 18:50:51
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Originally posted by alex_e:
i can't see a good reason for this
Probably so that when people are dissapointed by the announcement, they have already made their mind up about going :P
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Jax
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Posted - 2007/11/11 : 18:56:38
i think the reason it is left as TBA is for two reasons, one being it gives the promoters a lot more freedom with the lineup and it removes the pressure of booking someone and making sure they turn up so they dont look like liars. the other could be to create a bit of a mystery to get people talking
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Vitalism
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Posted - 2007/11/11 : 20:41:32
quote:
Originally posted by Squishy Star:
for most "legit" raves, the location is posted up on flyers and everything.
but then there are those that don't specify the location and have you call up an info line or something...which basically means it's an outlaw. absolute freedom. << "a proper rave!"
as for alex_e's "so i can't see any reason cops would shut them down" -- do you know how many people they can bust for drugs?!
newsflash: drugs are everywhere!
cops could bust people at clubs too. as long as a party is thrown at a liscenced venue, cops can't just come in and shut it down unless they have a really good reason to.
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Lilley
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Posted - 2007/11/11 : 21:57:21
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Originally posted by bulby_g:
Nah you're wrong, not how it happens over here anyway.
In the UK if you get a party you have to ring on the night to find out where it is that's an illegal rave/free rave. A proper rave.
You have the same thing in Aus' and at a guess you would in Canada as well? The ones in Aus are often out in the bush.
pfft. generally some wharehouse.
if its a comercial rave then its generally at a set venue (superdome/dome or the pavilions/syd entertainment centre). if its a dial up after 7pm, they cant make it out in the bush as 3-4000 people wouldnt get out there before 10
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2007/11/11 : 23:55:50
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they cant make it out in the bush as 3-4000 people wouldnt get out there before 10
Perfect timing then :P 10 onwards is an ideal time!
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Skedd
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Posted - 2007/11/12 : 06:31:08
I guess those reasons are fair enough... :S
i just wanna complain and whinge about how unfair it is for some people.
*complain* *complain* *complain*
*whinge* *whinge* *whinge*
there done. :P
so there are SOME raves that have set places? but i imagine that most of them would be all secretive?
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Lilley
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Posted - 2007/11/12 : 08:51:06
nah the main raves in sydney are by powerhouse productions. they are almost always somewhere in olympic park. they tell u where it is in the flyer
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2007/11/12 : 09:15:35
quote:
Originally posted by Lilley:
quote:
Originally posted by bulby_g:
Nah you're wrong, not how it happens over here anyway.
In the UK if you get a party you have to ring on the night to find out where it is that's an illegal rave/free rave. A proper rave.
You have the same thing in Aus' and at a guess you would in Canada as well? The ones in Aus are often out in the bush.
pfft. generally some wharehouse.
if its a comercial rave then its generally at a set venue (superdome/dome or the pavilions/syd entertainment centre). if its a dial up after 7pm, they cant make it out in the bush as 3-4000 people wouldnt get out there before 10
One of my mates was living in Aus' and there is absolutely **** loads of Free raves in the bush, pretty much all playing Psy Trance or techno of some discription. He showed me some videos, they looked awesome. Chances are you just haven't got to know about them, they wont be advertised.
It's quite usual for an illegal rave to not start till 12-1-2-3 even 4 o clock in some cases, then they don't end till Sunday night (Hard2Get - "Perfect timing then :P 10 onwards is an idea time!" - knows the score ;)). I wish we had a similar wilderness in this country, it's the perfect location for a free rave.
Not all free raves have thousands of people at them :P Most are quite small exclusive things. Some people prefer it that way, less chance of getting wankers turn up.
Most free party promoters would always chose an outdoor location over an indoor one (weather permitting of course). Everyone has more freedom to wander about, it always makes a more interesting setting, you will cause less noise disturbance (providing you're a good distance from any residential areas) and you don't get in trouble for breaking in and trespassing on private property.
alex_e - "also, you didn't put anything for proper rave, bulby. were you going to add anything?"
Nah, I was saying an illegal/free rave is a proper rave :).
A legit promoter would only do it for a few reasons really:-
A. They don't have a proper venue sorted.
B. They have a venue sorted but it's shit and everyone knows it.
C. They are worried that the venue they have secured isn't so secured.
D. They are trying to capture the feel of a proper rave (but they failed as they're charging on the door).
E. They're complete planks.
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Squishy Star
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Posted - 2007/11/12 : 11:20:22
bulby_g knows what he's talking about.
he stated the facts. end of.
none of this keeping the location unknown to be all mysterious and w/e.
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