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Xexian
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 Posted - 2007/11/16 : 20:20:34
My first question is like what are those fast paced drums/kicks that are always mixed into a song when it is a bout to switch to a new song. You usually hear it close to the end of a song, and a new song will be mixed right into it. Is that some sound file thing?
And....Next question...What are the basic mixing techniques....Lol. I wanna start mixing my own stuff, make a pretty good "set" i think they're called. Like what they play on HHC radio. :p
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Posted - 2007/11/16 : 20:50:09
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Originally posted by Xexian:
My first question is like what are those fast paced drums/kicks that are always mixed into a song when it is a bout to switch to a new song. You usually hear it close to the end of a song, and a new song will be mixed right into it. Is that some sound file thing?
Do you mean a drum/snare roll?
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Xexian
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Posted - 2007/11/16 : 20:54:23
Seeing as how i dont know what it is, I dont know. Lol. But most of the time it goes from a low volume level to a high one. But its all fast paced druming or kicks.
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Leto
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Posted - 2007/11/16 : 22:08:06
Xexian:
You are getting producing and DJ'ing confused.
If you are mixing a set, it's when you mix tracks that are already produced together.
If you are producing a song you make everything using a sequencer and various software instruments, drum samples. You are making the song from scratch. There are no "sound files" that give you drum loops.
Start by doing this: buy unmixed tracks either on vinyl or on a download site and listen to how the songs are constructed. This is not done by DJ'ing, but rather by producing!
Then: Listen to a DJ set or mixed CD compilation, and REALLY listen! Now you can see what the DJ does, which is called mixing.
I hope that's cleared some things up for you. Get familiar with what's what before you jump on in.
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SPOOX
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Posted - 2007/11/16 : 22:17:47
If your wanting to start mixing the best advice i can give you is to get yourself a decent pair of direct drive turntables. Then basically practice, practice, practice. Another good way which i used when i first started was to get a couple of records that would normally play on 45. Slow them down & play them on 33. You will find it so much easier to match those beats up. When you get the hang of it then speed them back up. Try listening carefully to other DJ's sets & learn when to bring choons in.
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redwingz
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Posted - 2007/11/16 : 23:49:01
thats really good advice by leto and a very good idea by spoox, i never thought of doing that before, i think i might try that 1.
another tip, if any of your friends have a vinyl that you like, borrow it, but by your own copy as well so that u have 2 of the same vinyl. then....start one playing on 1 deck and the other playing on the other deck a few seconds a part so that the beats are out of line and basically a mess, and then try different methods toline the beats back up (i.e strokin the label of the vinyl etc)
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Posted - 2007/11/17 : 01:06:18
Levels are proberly one of the most important things to learn. Make sure your lows, mids and highs are all set to 12 o'clock then adjust your trim so the two tracks you are playing are playing just under the reds, then adjust your main mixer volume so it plays just under the reds as well. then adjust your stereo volume. this way you wont ruin your mixer and your tracks wont be sounding crap when you try and mix them in.
Also listen to lots of mixes and try to pick when a new track is coming in. One hardest skills of mixing is being able to listen to two songs playing at the same time and telling which is which, and if one is too fast, too slow, too loud etc...
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2007/11/17 : 02:40:41
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Originally posted by Xexian:
My first question is like what are those fast paced drums/kicks that are always mixed into a song when it is a bout to switch to a new song. You usually hear it close to the end of a song, and a new song will be mixed right into it. Is that some sound file thing?
And....Next question...What are the basic mixing techniques....Lol. I wanna start mixing my own stuff, make a pretty good "set" i think they're called. Like what they play on HHC radio. :p
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To anwer your 1st question...its the beat of the upcoming track that is being mixed into the current track, hences why its featured right before the index on your cd player changes. OR, it could be the outro beat segment of the current track being mixed into the upcoming track. Electronic dance music djs dont use those sorry beat fillers off a computer like those hip hop/rap "Djs" do.
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simps
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Posted - 2007/11/17 : 14:51:22
what music software is the best?
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Pope C XXIII
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Posted - 2007/11/17 : 16:59:55
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Originally posted by SPOOX:
If your wanting to start mixing the best advice i can give you is to get yourself a decent pair of direct drive turntables. Then basically practice, practice, practice. Another good way which i used when i first started was to get a couple of records that would normally play on 45. Slow them down & play them on 33. You will find it so much easier to match those beats up. When you get the hang of it then speed them back up. Try listening carefully to other DJ's sets & learn when to bring choons in.
Note: that method doesn't work for everybody. I suck terribly at beatmatching (which is why I use software, because I'm pretty good aside from that one gaping technical flaw), but I'm hopeless unless I'm matching hardcore or dnb. While at slower tempos you'll have a little more room for accuracy with your pitch adjustments, at higher tempos your mixing can be more quick (that is, less time with both tracks playing so they don't fall out of time) and small errors aren't nearly as noticable. In the end though, it's up to you.
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Posted - 2007/11/18 : 08:59:44
*edit*
Read below
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Posted - 2007/11/18 : 09:13:00
here is some fair advice though.
Get two records of the same song that play at zero pitch at about 130bpm, house music would probably be best. But make sure they are the same exact song with no flaws on the vinyl (no warps or scratches) Take those two records and go to a buddies house that has turntables. Play one record at zero pitch. When you feel that there is a spot on the record that has minimal action going on (intro or outro) start the second record at the exact time that the first beat happens at the beginning of a phrase. If you miss it, count to 16, or any increment of 4. Make sure the second record is at zero pitch as well. Turn the volume up on both channels so you can hear both songs out of the speakers at the same time. Adjust the pitch slide fader on the side of the turntable either up or down either quickly or slowly untill the kick drums match and sounds like one unified song.
Keep doing that until you get the hang of what the two beats sound like as one. If it is wrong, it will sound like there are too many beats in the phrase.
I learned how to beatmatch without headphones and by learning how to read vinyl in a sense. Personally, I recommend this technic, and also to test your skill as a seasoned dj, try it to give yourself mental dexterity.
I never recommend that people that are interested in learning how to dj go out and buy turntables, since if they decide that they don't like it or want to quit because it's too hard, they won't have a few thousand dollars worth of gear that they won't be able to get rid of.
Dj'ing isn't for everyone. It takes years worth of trained patience and an ear for music, pitch and tone.
Those qualities can be taught by others, however, you MUST teach your brain to think in a totally different manner.
Think of it like taking the biggest most knotted up ball of yarn and un-knotting it using only your ears and wearing handcuffs behind your back so you can't touch it. And having to do it in less than 2 minutes.
There is a book that you can buy at most major bookstores that will teach you the basics, however, nothing will ever replace the form of practice.
Hopefully that info is a little more helpfull
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redwingz
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Posted - 2007/11/18 : 12:57:00
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what music software is the best?
Which ever you feel most comfortable with. Popular ones are Cubase, reason, Fruityloops (i know for a fact im missing some out)
I use fruityloops because id been on a demo of it and understood it quite well. try downloading the fruityloops deemo n c wat u think
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simps
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Posted - 2007/11/18 : 18:21:16
i will do! nice 1
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Xexian
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Posted - 2007/11/19 : 01:24:08
Yeah, My brother currently owns two Vinal belt drive turntables, With some mixer, I think its a DJ in a box set by Numark, Nothing special, He didnt seem to be serious about it, So im going to use those. It came with those two turn tables, and a basic mixer.
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Looks Very simular to that.
And the mixer looks a little simular to this
http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop_image/product/5ac9ee0ec0cad86b8cc824009b7a1551.jpg
Could i do anything really with this?
And also, Do the Dj's on HappyHardcore.com Mix they're sets, Or produce them?
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Leto
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Posted - 2007/11/19 : 01:25:02
^^You don't "produce" a set. You mix it.
I mix my sets. :D
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